The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

[bucks_oil]

I am as confused as everyone else on this one. Even mouser was not sure how this would play out.

It is an interesting one.

On the face of it:
1) There is nothing preventing them from spending the money they've accrued on a new player, and
2) As long as they are cap compliant following that acquisition, then their LTIR will not get tolled... so then they should be able to go out and acquire up to a $5M player.

Right? Right? I want you to say right Fourier.

Back to our earlier conversation in September/October... this is why I didn't want them to LTIR Kane... then you talked me off the ledge, saying they can still accrue.

Surely, SURELY, they wouldn't have LTIR'd him, for really no use... we've been cap compliant consistently, or at least we could have been if we needed to... only to then realize it prevented their ability to spend both pools of money separately (accrued $$$ + LTIR).

Or maybe we are truly big-fish hunting? Both pools of money spent on one player (that presumably would also be ok).

 

[Fourier]

It is an interesting one.

On the face of it:
1) There is nothing preventing them from spending the money they've accrued on a new player, and
2) As long as they are cap compliant following that acquisition, then their LTIR will not get tolled... so then they should be able to go out and acquire up to a $5M player.

Right? Right? I want you to say right Fourier.

Back to our earlier conversation in September/October... this is why I didn't want them to LTIR Kane... then you talked me off the ledge, saying they can still accrue.

Surely, SURELY, they wouldn't have LTIR'd him, for really no use... we've been cap compliant consistently, or at least we could have been if we needed to... only to then realize it prevented their ability to spend both pools of money separately (accrued $$$ + LTIR).

Or maybe we are truly big-fish hunting? Both pools of money spent on one player (that presumably would also be ok).

This was my sense as well. But mouser seemed to think it was not the case.

Generally I can figure these things out given enough time for my old brain to clear the fog. But this one has me completely bamboozled.

And don't call me Shirley!

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The hindsight in this thread is awesome. Being a GM is pretty easy when looking back 6 months.

As for Holloway.......Holloway had to make the decision to sign the contract with St Louis or stay in Edmonton with the contract on offer. That is 100% his decision.

Perhaps someone could have explained to him how he could have bet on himself to win a job in the top 6 playing with the 2 of the best players in the world and maybe even win a cup. But hey I hope he enjoys that extra million this year!

Holloway showed during the playoffs that he was progressing, as was Broberg.

We're just so used to absolute shit GMing that we take it as the norm. Two assets flushed for middling picks is okay in the minds of some for... whatever reason.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

The hindsight in this thread is awesome. Being a GM is pretty easy when looking back 6 months.

As for Holloway.......Holloway had to make the decision to sign the contract with St Louis or stay in Edmonton with the contract on offer. That is 100% his decision.

Perhaps someone could have explained to him how he could have bet on himself to win a job in the top 6 playing with the 2 of the best players in the world and maybe even win a cup. But hey I hope he enjoys that extra million this year!

This is how I feel about it. I was really pulling for Holloway, I’m a big fan of his game and it does absolutely suck losing him but decisions were made on both sides. The Oilers weren’t insulting him with a brutal low ball offer, he was getting offered comparable dollars to other players of similar experience and production and he was also getting likely one of the best opportunities to win a championship that he’ll ever have in his career.

Another team was willing to over pay by roughly double to comps and I can only speak for myself but in 98% of situations I take the money no questions but if I was playing on a team that just went to the Cup and has just as good of a chance to do so again over the next couple years, I probably take what they’re offering, try to win a championship and gamble that I’ll likely have some prime money earning years in my mid/late 20’s and possibly even into my 30’s.

From the team perspective, I think once he signed an offer sheet it became less about money and more about character, and I don’t necessarily mean that in a bad way but by signing an offer sheet he’s essentially saying he doesn’t want to play for this team anymore. You’ve got a bunch of guys taking less for a chance to win and in a season where it’s absolutely imperative to have everyone rowing in the same direction, I think it would of been a risk having a kid in the room who hadn’t proved much but forced this team to pay him double what he’s worth at the time because he went and signed with another team. Guys are professionals but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that likely would have rubbed at least a few guys in the room the wrong way. Likewise if I put myself in Holloway’s shoes, I’d be thinking about that and about what my teammates thought of me for signing an offer sheet with another team and I think that would definitely put more pressure on me.

End of the day, of course it would be nice to have them both still here performing like they are in STL but no guarantee that’s how they’d be doing here and even when being in a bad spot management did a good job adding some other good, young options in Pod and Emberson who’ve contributed, while also creating cap space, picking up some asset currency. Most importantly though when you’re this close to a championship your entire room to be guys who want to be here and who want to win.

 

[McDNicks17]

Fun fact: Emberson is one point shy of having triple Broberg's points since December 7th.

 

[Fourier]

Fun fact: Emberson is one point shy of having triple Broberg's points since December 7th.

In hindsight of course it would have been good to match Holloway but I still don't think matching Broberg would have been a good idea. He was not comfortable playing the RH side and that meant a $4.6M contract for a third pairing defenseman who would also have to carry his pairing. .

 

[TheNumber4]

Fun fact: Emberson is one point shy of having triple Broberg's points since December 7th.

Here's another fun one:

Broberg before getting embarrassed against Edmonton: 12 Pts in 15 GP.
Broberg after getting embarrassed against Edmonton: 2 Pts in 16 GP

 

[AM]

In hindsight of course it would have been good to match Holloway but I still don't think matching Broberg would have been a good idea. He was not comfortable playing the RH side and that meant a $4.6M contract for a third pairing defenseman who would also have to carry his pairing. .

Hard to say, players that sign with another team are usually not beneficial for your team.

 

[Canovin]

Holloway picking the wrong year to have a good year. Still calling it flash in a pan year

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The bottom 6 pisses me off so much man. We got older, slower and less productive for absolutely no reason. Like Skinner was bought out by freaking BUFFALO because he couldn't hack it there. Remember, they have plenty of cap space and would love a good mentor for their young guys, but even they decided he wasn't it. Henrique was demolished at 5v5 as 3C last playoffs. Janmark and Brown were 4th liners last year who were elevated to 3rd line this year. Nuge has fallen off a cliff. What are we spending money on exactly? Mcdrai to carry us like the the pre 2022 Oilers? Even in 2022 a healthy Kane was much more productive than our 4th most productive fwd right now.

I still don't understand why they didn't pony up for Holloway. Oilers could've easily matched that then sat him down and asked about what he wants in a role for the team. He's doing very well on the Blues.

 

[North]

The bottom 6 pisses me off so much man. We got older, slower and less productive for absolutely no reason. Like Skinner was bought out by freaking BUFFALO because he couldn't hack it there. Remember, they have plenty of cap space and would love a good mentor for their young guys, but even they decided he wasn't it. Henrique was demolished at 5v5 as 3C last playoffs. Janmark and Brown were 4th liners last year who were elevated to 3rd line this year. Nuge has fallen off a cliff. What are we spending money on exactly? Mcdrai to carry us like the the pre 2022 Oilers? Even in 2022 a healthy Kane was much more productive than our 4th most productive fwd right now.

Skinner was bought out because he was making significantly more than he should have. If he was making three mill he might still be there.

 

[Shanahanigans]

I still don't understand why they didn't pony up for Holloway. Oilers could've easily matched that then sat him down and asked about what he wants in a role for the team. He's doing very well on the Blues.

On pace for 28 goals and 65 points as a 23 year old, and get this, +14 in half a season on a team who isn’t in a playoff spot. Unbelievable young player that we just….let walk.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

On pace for 28 goals and 65 points as a 23 year old, and get this, +14 in half a season on a team who isn’t in a playoff spot. Unbelievable young player that we just….let walk.

This was a massive fail, but what can we do now.....Holloway can actually drive play. Nobody really does it besides 97/29

 

[guymez]

The bottom 6 pisses me off so much man. We got older, slower and less productive for absolutely no reason. Like Skinner was bought out by freaking BUFFALO because he couldn't hack it there. Remember, they have plenty of cap space and would love a good mentor for their young guys, but even they decided he wasn't it. Henrique was demolished at 5v5 as 3C last playoffs. Janmark and Brown were 4th liners last year who were elevated to 3rd line this year. Nuge has fallen off a cliff. What are we spending money on exactly? Mcdrai to carry us like the the pre 2022 Oilers? Even in 2022 a healthy Kane was much more productive than our 4th most productive fwd right now.

The Oilers ended up giving Holloways money to these older slower players...ie Skinner.
Thats what grinds me.

 

[McShogun99]

On pace for 28 goals and 65 points as a 23 year old, and get this, +14 in half a season on a team who isn’t in a playoff spot. Unbelievable young player that we just….let walk.

That 3rd round pick we got might get us a 13th forward at the deadline….

 

[Shanahanigans]

isn't there a separate thread to keep bitching about Holloway?

When are we allowed to move on?

This is less about Holloway and more about organizational decision making. This team was gifted two generational players a decade ago and has nothing to show for it due to bad decision making by several different regimes of management. Both superstars are approaching their 30s, 97 will finish his career as a top 3 all time player, and 29 as a top 50 all time. This organization continuously shooting itself in the foot is the reason why they don't have a cup. It's completely warranted criticism.