Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[Mr Positive]

We did put Kane on LTIR at the right time. But remember that even though you can use both LTIR space and accrued space, you can't use them on the same player. If Kane stays on LTIR, that's our big move, because our accrual can't be that big. What, maybe 1-2 million? We basically threw that space away when we decided to have extra skaters on the roster

Connor Murphy as our big move on defence? No man we can do better.

I'd be pretty stoked for that one. Andersson from Calgary remains the ultimate prize but could be unavailable

 

[iCanada]

We did put Kane on LTIR at the right time. But remember that even though you can use both LTIR space and accrued space, you can't use them on the same player. If Kane stays on LTIR, that's our big move, because our accrual can't be that big. What, maybe 1-2 million? We basically threw that space away when we decided to have extra skaters on the roster


I'd be pretty stoked for that one. Andersson from Calgary remains the ultimate prize but could be unavailable

No that still ends up being pretty big.

Because that 1.5 million is total cap for only a third of the season, making it more like 3.5 million AAV. And then you can further increase that up to 7 million AAV with cap retention for the players you acquire minus a third of the AAV of the players you send out.

Then you can get a another player for Kane's 5 million AAV from ltir plus a third of the cap of whatever you send out, and then further increase that to 10 million potentially with retention.

Cap space is less of an issue than assets to acquire rentals.

 

[McTonyBrar]

We did put Kane on LTIR at the right time. But remember that even though you can use both LTIR space and accrued space, you can't use them on the same player. If Kane stays on LTIR, that's our big move, because our accrual can't be that big. What, maybe 1-2 million? We basically threw that space away when we decided to have extra skaters on the roster


I'd be pretty stoked for that one. Andersson from Calgary remains the ultimate prize but could be unavailable

That turd said he hates Edmonton. Literally said it today ahaha

 

[Jarvi]

That turd said he hates Edmonton. Literally said it today ahaha

I don't think that means anything. We can offer him as good of a shot at the cup as anyone, and he is 3hrs up the road from whatever roots he has put down in Calgary. Then in 18 months he can leave as a cup winning RHD and get paid as such elsewhere if he truly hates Edmonton.

If we are willing to sell the farm, we can put together a package as enticing as any other teams. I really hope Bowman is at least exploring the option, rather than just assuming it's impossible like many of the posters here. If there is even a 1% chance at getting him, I want the team to pursue it until that turns to 0. He is the perfect partner for Nurse.

 

[foshizzle]

We did put Kane on LTIR at the right time. But remember that even though you can use both LTIR space and accrued space, you can't use them on the same player. If Kane stays on LTIR, that's our big move, because our accrual can't be that big. What, maybe 1-2 million? We basically threw that space away when we decided to have extra skaters on the roster


I'd be pretty stoked for that one. Andersson from Calgary remains the ultimate prize but could be unavailable

What you said doesn’t even make sense. Accrued cap is because you didn’t spend to the cap- it has nothing to do with a specific person. LTIR is on a player. There are two way to maximize cap space. Player goes onto LTIR prior to the season- you can exceed the cap by how much your LTIR is- or after the season starts- you can accrue cap for the space between spent and cap ceiling. If your player goes into LTIR you can accrue up to that amount. Edmonton was right at the cap with Kane on IR to start the season- then he went on LTIR.

 

[Mr Positive]

That turd said he hates Edmonton. Literally said it today ahaha

He didn't say he hates Edmonton. He said he hates the Oilers. Big difference. Imo it just shows he has fire.

But in an article I read he was talking about his NTC as well so with some assumption I'd guess we are on his no trade list (Canucks too)

 

[foshizzle]

Originated from capfriendly as we were navigating and ultimately not deciding to match offer sheets, then starting the year.

I trust them more than puckpedia.

I miss capfriendly. f*** the capitals.

Oilers hired one of the co-founders of capfriendly

 

[McTonyBrar]

Troll Spector saying Skinner in press box tomorrow

 

[foshizzle]

Bob Stauffer a few games ago was saying now the Oilers are only looking for a bottom pairing dman and a bottom forward. So that is pretty much 5.1 million, the Oilers ****ed up.

Bon Stauffer has been saying everything. He’s been saying a top 4 no one has expected for a long time. He literally is throwing everything at the wall.

 

[foshizzle]

No he didn't lol. I listen to his broadcasts daily. He never said anything like that D related. He's still saying we are aiming high. Why else would we want this cap space? The forward part I agree with but this was before knowing the Kane situation


Maybe he's drunk. Or just plain gone.

If yesterday’s game tells us anything- it’s Knob doesn’t trust the rest of the roster. He played Leon and McDavid 27 mins. If I’m a forward on the Oilers- I’m think the coach has zero trust in me to deliver results. Horrible coaching by Knob

 

[Mr Positive]

What you said doesn’t even make sense. Accrued cap is because you didn’t spend to the cap- it has nothing to do with a specific person. LTIR is on a player. There are two way to maximize cap space. Player goes onto LTIR prior to the season- you can exceed the cap by how much your LTIR is- or after the season starts- you can accrue cap for the space between spent and cap ceiling. If your player goes into LTIR you can accrue up to that amount. Edmonton was right at the cap with Kane on IR to start the season- then he went on LTIR.

It's my understanding that he has not been on LTIR and that the space was just set. We put him on LTIR to set his limit and then took him off to accrue space

The accrual vs LTIR thing is not connected to a player. They are totally separate sources of cap space. If you are using LTIR then by definition you are not allowed to accrue cap at all. Accruing cap means that if you have 1 million in cap space, you can gain cap space over the season and have like 5 million by the deadline. If you use LTIR space then by definition you have zero cap space. That's the the total BS that Vegas was allowed to get away with this past summer. They were allowed to pay Lehner not to play AND not have him on LTIR and that allowed them to accrue space for the deadline. I'm actually shocked that was allowed

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Yes I think Matheson is better than Murphy. Plus/minus doesn't say that much.

Besides powerplay and skating.

What does Matheson do better?

He wont be getting the gravy powerplay minutes here like he does

 

[FlameChampion]

In a perfect world the team trades for a RD Ekholm like player. I have no idea who that player is and its likely they aren’t available.

Chatgpt indicates Brando Carlo

 

[iCanada]

What you said doesn’t even make sense. Accrued cap is because you didn’t spend to the cap- it has nothing to do with a specific person. LTIR is on a player. There are two way to maximize cap space. Player goes onto LTIR prior to the season- you can exceed the cap by how much your LTIR is- or after the season starts- you can accrue cap for the space between spent and cap ceiling. If your player goes into LTIR you can accrue up to that amount. Edmonton was right at the cap with Kane on IR to start the season- then he went on LTIR.

Here's the thing though, we set the ltir pool that we can exceed the cap by, but we aren't using it because we're below the cap with our roster, so we still accrue cap space.

 

[Mr Positive]

Here's the thing though, we set the ltir pool that we can exceed the cap by, but we aren't using it because we're below the cap with our roster, so we still accrue cap space.

And another way of saying that we aren't using it is that Kane is currently not on LTIR

I wonder what we are going to do with our tiny accrued space. Maybe good for a 4C or a dice roll goalie

The LTIR space on Kane is our main source of space. That's the RD

 

[soothsayer]

In a perfect world the team trades for a RD Ekholm like player. I have no idea who that player is and its likely they aren’t available.

Chatgpt indicates Brando Carlo

Pulock.