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[bucks_oil]

What’s the closest comp? The Markstrom deal?

Markstrom had 2 years left on his 6M deal. Markstrom was sitting on at a .905 at the time of trade.

Gibson has 2 years left at 6.4M. Gibson is sitting at a .914 on the year.

Markstrom (without retention) cost 1st round pick plus Bahl.

So Gibson would be something like 1st plus Emberson. Plus what a 2nd + 3rd if you want him at 50%.

Seems pricey if you going to use him in tandem with Skinner.

I'm for Talbot. He's playing just as well, has experience with the boys and will come much cheaper.

In my mind it's a Talbot + #4D vs just Gibson for the same assets/cap hit.

 

[K1984]

Agree on the priorities (I'd say 4C though, I'm still fine with Henrique at 3C, especially with Kane giving us an extra LW... so RNH could also 3C).

The problem is that every game day we delay, we are accruing more deadline spending power.

We always talk about AAV cap hit, but your cap is actually calculated based on the sum of your active game-day rosters... we were ~$800K under the annual cap at the start of the year, so essentially we are saving about ~$10K/game day (ie 800K divided by 82 games).

So the later we delay, the more game days of $$$ we accrue. Which is a bigger factor in trades than the rising prices IMO. Plus... I don't see the logic in prices rising toward the deadline, more teams fall out, fewer buyers, more sellers.

Further to this point, a lot of teams seem to delude themselves into thinking that they could still push. Save for the Sharks, Predators and Blackhawks in the West and the Sabres in the East, there probably isn't a single other team that would strip anything back now in advance of knowing they for sure will be out.

Pretty much every team in the East is still technically in it. There are a lot of good players that will likely shake loose when the standings are more real.

 

[Canovin]

I'm for Talbot. He's playing just as well, has experience with the boys and will come much cheaper.

In my mind it's a Talbot + #4D vs just Gibson for the same assets/cap hit.

Leave Kane on LTIR until the playoffs and it can be Gibson+4D.

He's on LTIR for a reason. I think the Oilers will find a good enough excuse to delay it

 

[94 Oil Drops]

To me Gibson is a wild card. He could come here and be worse than Skinner or transform into 16-17 Talbot. I definitely wouldn't give a 1st for him. I'd rather spend that 1st on something else.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I think Rodrigue is likely already better than Pickard. I also don't think that Pickard would get picked up on waivers if we sent him down.

You seem confident in Rodrigue. He looked horrible during the pre season. I think it may be a while before he's completely NHL ready.

 

[bucks_oil]

Both Rodrigue and Pickard are waiver eligible. So that does put some risk on testing Rodrigue out. Once you bring him up, you have to be ready to lose him if he doesn’t stick.

That's pretty manageable... You can bring him up near the very end of the season and not have to worry about returning him... he becomes one of our black aces for the playoffs and can get a couple of games of action in the regular season.

Leave Kane on LTIR until the playoffs and it can be Gibson+4D.

He's on LTIR for a reason. I think the Oilers will find a good enough excuse to delay it

Would be great if they did.

 

[Canovin]

Gibson is still in his prime. He could be the Jonathan Quick of the championship LA team if he join the Oilers

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Ya I think Stecher is going to “lead us to a final.” Lol oh lord because that’s even close to what I said.

I do think we need to add a D to get through the western conference but the Oilers have played cup level defence this season and that’s just a fact. You can whine about Stecher all you want but he hasn’t been a problem…

He went into the season hating Stecher before even watching him really play.

And now hes continuing it and hoping he fails.

Stecher has been getting scored on at the 2nd lowest rate on the Oilers.

Seems decent

 

[bucks_oil]

He went into the season hating Stecher before even watching him really play.

And now hes continuing it and hoping he fails.

Stecher has been getting scored on at the 2nd lowest rate on the Oilers.

Seems decent

With all due respect to Stecher, if he's the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

Both he and Emberson would be perfect as 6D, rotating in/out depending on whether you need slightly better puck movement or slightly more physicality.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Interesting wrinkle in Virtano's extension. The Oilers should absolutely explore this in future deals.

 

[Canovin]

I don't how people can be happy with only Stuart and Pickard. Adding a good goalie should be the priority. Look how much Markstrom and Ullmark have transformed the Devils and Sens.. and Blackwood and the Avs

 

[VeteranPresence]

With all due respect to Stecher, if he's the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

Both he and Emberson would be perfect as 6D, rotating in/out depending on whether you need slightly better puck movement or slightly more physicality.

Would like if I could. Stecher is a great fill-in who can play for brief stretches in the #4-6 spots. He is not and should not be an everyday regular on a Cup contender.

I don't how people can be happy with only Stuart and Pickard. Adding a good goalie should be the priority. Look how much Markstrom and Ullmark have transformed the Devils and Sens.. and Blackwood and the Avs

Because the Bobfather hasn't told them to be unhappy. Tale old as time.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I'm for Talbot. He's playing just as well, has experience with the boys and will come much cheaper.

In my mind it's a Talbot + #4D vs just Gibson for the same assets/cap hit.

Talbot would be high up on my list as well but I’m not sure he’s going to be available. Wings are hanging around with 4 straight wins since the coaching change, he’s their starter and for a team trying to compete even if they are on the bubble or just outside looking in, I don’t think they would entertain dealing him. I also get the feeling that they want to keep him as a veteran mentor as they bring Cossa along.

I think Quick is the more likely target if we are looking for that veteran goalie.

 

[TheNumber4]

I'm for Talbot. He's playing just as well, has experience with the boys and will come much cheaper.

In my mind it's a Talbot + #4D vs just Gibson for the same assets/cap hit.

He was playing well at the start of the season. But he’s back to being a Seive it seems lately, his last 10 games:

.840
.762
.850
.879
.950
.857
.828
.960
.931
.853

There was also an injury within those 10 games.

That's pretty manageable... You can bring him up near the very end of the season and not have to worry about returning him... he becomes one of our black aces for the playoffs and can get a couple of games of action in the regular season.



Would be great if they did.

I guess, but a couple games doesn’t tell us much about how well he would do in the backup role for a playoff run. And then by that point the testing of Rodrigues will be for nothing cause the TDL passed. So if he fails the test, the result is the same, you roll with what we have anyways.

 

[Fourier]

Friedman had talked about how Anaheim and Carolina have been discussing Gibson for a long while but that Anaheims price continues to be too high.

I think the problem is that Anaheim is only giving Gibson away for next to nothing if the other team is taking him at full cap, at 50% for the next 2.5 years, it’s likely they want something decent in return. So the issue becomes you’re still gambling on a question mark of whether Gibson can rebound, he’s still costing 3M+ on the cap and you’re still giving up assets for the pleasure.

No one is taking Gibson for free at full cap. If Anaheim wants any significant asset for him at 50% they will certainly be waiting a while.

What’s the closest comp? The Markstrom deal?

Markstrom had 2 years left on his 6M deal. Markstrom was sitting on at a .905 at the time of trade.

Gibson has 2 years left at 6.4M. Gibson is sitting at a .914 on the year.

Markstrom (without retention) cost 1st round pick plus Bahl.

So Gibson would be something like 1st plus Emberson. Plus what a 2nd + 3rd if you want him at 50%.

Seems pricey if you going to use him in tandem with Skinner.

Markstrom was a viewed as a legitimate high-end starter with a recent ( last three years) record that was much better than Gibson's recent play. Gibson's numbers over the previous three years are not good at all. Gibson right now is also Anaheim's #2. Until this month he had mostly been playing against bottom 10 teams.

Last year goalies seem to be in unusually high demand. NJD is particular seemed to be very desperate. A lot of teams invested in goalies in the off season. Since Colorado got Blackwell the market for high priced goalies pretty much dried up amongst contenders. Carolina may have been interested when Andersson went down. But he is now is probably only 3-4 weeks from being back and over his last 7 games Kotchekov has a .917 sv%.

Anaheim dealt Fowler with about $4M in remining salary on their books for a second but they also sent back a 4th. Fowler should have had far more value. The retention on Gibson would be more of course but if they get a 2nd for him at 50% right now they might be lucky.

 

[TheNumber4]

With all due respect to Stecher, if he's the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

Both he and Emberson would be perfect as 6D, rotating in/out depending on whether you need slightly better puck movement or slightly more physicality.

Yeh that’s how I see it.

While being pretty appreciate of what Emberson and Stecher has been able to do this season. They’ve covered their bets, but the bets we made on these guys was a low one. We never bet on them to be 4RHD in a playoff run, we bet on them to be good placeholders.

 

[TheNumber4]

No one is taking Gibson for free at full cap. If Anaheim wants any significant asset for him at 50% they will certainly be waiting a while.

Markstrom was a viewed as a legitimate high-end starter with a recent ( last three years) record that was much better than Gibson's recent play. Gibson's numbers over the previous three years are not good at all. Gibson right now is also Anaheim's #2. Until this month he had mostly been playing against bottom 10 teams.

Last year goalies seem to be in unusually high demand. NJD is particular seemed to be very desperate. A lot of teams invested in goalies in the off season. Since Colorado got Blackwell the market for high priced goalies pretty much dried up amongst contenders. Carolina may have been interested when Andersson went down. But he is now is probably only 3-4 weeks from being back and over his last 7 games Kotchekov has a .917 sv%.

Anaheim dealt Fowler with about $4M in remining salary on their books for a second but they also sent back a 4th. Fowler should have had far more value. The retention on Gibson would be more of course but if they get a 2nd for him at 50% right now they might be lucky.

That’s how I hope it’s seen. But for some reason Gibson seems to have an iron-clad reputation as a good goalie despite his numbers and actual performance.

You’re right though, the demand for goalies was high last year. And markstrom overall had the better track record. So you’d hope for a much reduced cost, but that cost then goes up again cause we needed retention and NJD/Markstrom did not.

Fowler is a good example of Verbeek dealings though. He was a vet who wanted out, and the cost was low. Mayb the same plays out for Gibson.

 

[Cloned]

I'm for Talbot. He's playing just as well, has experience with the boys and will come much cheaper.

In my mind it's a Talbot + #4D vs just Gibson for the same assets/cap hit.

Talbot isn’t a practical option though. Things got toxic with the fanbase and the moment he has a bad stretch it’d be over. It’d be a huge mental hurdle just for him to play here again, and that’s not even considering how his wife dislikes the fanbase now.

 

[Missing smitty]

Look at the depth chart, one injury on the right side and they have Josh Brown playing lol. Might as well waive the white flag.

Sure, but that's depth. You don't need to blowing all that accrued cap space on a depth defenseman.

 

[Missing smitty]

They headed into the playoffs last year with that tandem and we’re 1 goal/save away from winning it all. Maybe someone forgot Roli’s run, you seem to have forgot our run just last year.

If you think that run was on the back of goaltending instead in spite of it, I'm pretty sure you need your eyes examined.

Roli was why they went to the finals. Skinner was along for the ride.

 

[McHelpus]

Sure, but that's depth. You don't need to blowing all that accrued cap space on a depth defenseman.

Oh I'm blowing all the accured space on Gibson haha
The LTIR money can go to a dman

 

[Fourier]

That’s how I hope it’s seen. But for some reason Gibson seems to have an iron-clad reputation as a good goalie despite his numbers and actual performance.

You’re right though, the demand for goalies was high last year. And markstrom overall had the better track record. So you’d hope for a much reduced cost, but that cost then goes up again cause we needed retention and NJD/Markstrom did not.

Fowler is a good example of Verbeek dealings though. He was a vet who wanted out, and the cost was low. Mayb the same plays out for Gibson.

I freely admit I have no idea what a trade would actually cost. My speculation is a slightly educated guess. But the price will always depend on how desperate each party is to accomplish its goals. I hope that the Oilers are not so desperate that Gibson would be viewed as a go big or go home option precluding anything else.

 

[VainGretzky]

Out of all the highest-paid goalies in the league, there is only one with a cup, and that's Bob, teams that give goalies a huge chunk of the salary cap are making a big mistake

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Regardless, the oilers cannot go into the playoffs with the current goaltending tandem. Pickard is an average backup goalie, Skinner is a below average starting goalie that should be a 1B at this point in his career playing 35 games a year.

I'm all for upgrading our second goalie. But yeah, of course I have a problem downgrading our goaltending going into playoffs.

 

[TheNumber4]

If you think that run was on the back of goaltending instead in spite of it, I'm pretty sure you need your eyes examined.

Roli was why they went to the finals. Skinner was along for the ride.

Roli was for sure a big part of why we went to the finals. Skinner obviously wasn't carrying us there on his own, but you can't deny that in some games he did (Game 6 Stars, Game 1 Stars, Game 4 Kings). He was adequate in his job, not spectacular.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

No one is taking Gibson for free at full cap. If Anaheim wants any significant asset for him at 50% they will certainly be waiting a while.

I’m guessing that’s why Gibson is still a Duck. Maybe with him having somewhat of a better year so far they could have an easier time getting something for him at 50% but I suspect the issue then becomes buyer and seller not being all that close on what that something is. That seemed to be the issue Friedman was alluding to earlier in the season. They’re carrying more dead cap and have one less retention slot now so they might put the value of retaining on Gibson higher than before. With how he’s playing I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re stubborn on price because they think there might be more of a market in the summer.