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[Tobias Kahun]

What does Holloway have to do with Perry? We replaced him with Podkholzin.



The NHL has to be the only league where it took GMs almost 2 decades to figure out how they can manipulate the salary cap legally.

It also takes a willing player.

 

[Shathar]

Definitely getting claimed by one of the horror bad teams.

The kings want to rid themselves of him as (rumors are) he's never been happy there for some reason. It's hard not to be intrigued with anyone that young with size and at least some high-level skills. Edmonton can't carry this guy around on their roster, but I am interested to see if he can bounce back on another team. Also curious why they couldn't have gotten a low-value pick for him.

 

[alphahelix]

What does Holloway have to do with Perry? We replaced him with Podkholzin.



The NHL has to be the only league where it took GMs almost 2 decades to figure out how they can manipulate the salary cap legally.

because we easily could have afforded both podkolzin and holloway, and holloway is better than all of them. The scraps we spent on extras like perry and brown cost us a core piece.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

because we easily could have afforded both podkolzin and holloway, and holloway is better than all of them. The scraps we spent on extras like perry and brown cost us a core piece.

You're aware Brown has been costing 0 on the cap in the AHL?

He didnt cost us Holloway.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

It also takes a willing player.

this is the, what, third one in 24 months? Coincidence?

because we easily could have afforded both podkolzin and holloway, and holloway is better than all of them. The scraps we spent on extras like perry and brown cost us a core piece.

We signed Perry before the offersheets. We had the capspace to sign Holloway at the time but chose not to. Perry has nothing yo do with it.

 

[belair]

because we easily could have afforded both podkolzin and holloway, and holloway is better than all of them. The scraps we spent on extras like perry and brown cost us a core piece.

Signing Jeff Skinner was the move that made it difficult to match Holloway. The Ceci trade made it possible to do so, but the Oilers opted to accrue cap space.

If people want to continue complaining about Holloway and Broberg, they need to look back to a year ago where people were suggesting they move veteran players to integrate the young players on to the roster.

They signed the offersheets because the organization didn't have a path for either of them. St Louis offered that to them and it paid them significantly based of the sudden production we got from them.

 

[Soundwave]

Signing Jeff Skinner was the move that made it difficult to match Holloway. The Ceci trade made it possible to do so, but the Oilers opted to accrue cap space.

If people want to continue complaining about Holloway and Broberg, they need to look back to a year ago where people were suggesting they move veteran players to integrate the young players on to the roster.

They signed the offersheets because the organization didn't have a path for either of them. St Louis offered that to them and it paid them significantly based of the sudden production we got from them.

The Oilers never prepared for offer sheets. The plan was always to take these two players into September and then force them to sign at a discount as they've done in the past with players like McLeod.

They could have matched if they really wanted to, but they were knee deep into the "we don't want to wreck the chemistry of a Cup Finals team for two ungrateful young players who want to be elsewhere!" logic by then.

 

[McShogun99]

The Oilers never prepared for offer sheets. The plan was always to take these two players into September and then force them to sign at a discount as they've done in the past with players like McLeod.

They could have matched if they really wanted to, but they were knee deep into the "we don't want to wreck the chemistry of a Cup Finals team for two ungrateful young players who want to be elsewhere!" logic by then.

They switched out 25% of the roster that played in game 7. That’s huge for changing team chemistry, especially when most of those players were under 30 and could have potentially been Oilers for years.

 

[McDNicks17]

The kings want to rid themselves of him as (rumors are) he's never been happy there for some reason. It's hard not to be intrigued with anyone that young with size and at least some high-level skills. Edmonton can't carry this guy around on their roster, but I am interested to see if he can bounce back on another team. Also curious why they couldn't have gotten a low-value pick for him.

It kind of makes sense. They've never really used him in any offensive situations. The bonus to that is he's become a solid two-way player, but it makes sense for him to go somewhere that will throw him on a line where he can use his shot.

 

[Shanahanigans]

We have so many wingers, even if we assume Skinner will be traded, I'm not sure what to do with the bottom 6. I would like more speed, scoring, and especially physicality. We have a lot of tweeners but not a ton of defined roles. It genuinely bothers me that we're one of the least physical teams in the league.

 

[TheNumber4]

The kings want to rid themselves of him as (rumors are) he's never been happy there for some reason. It's hard not to be intrigued with anyone that young with size and at least some high-level skills. Edmonton can't carry this guy around on their roster, but I am interested to see if he can bounce back on another team. Also curious why they couldn't have gotten a low-value pick for him.

Probably for his waiver status. Teams didn’t want to invest a draft pick to trade for him, cause if he doesn’t work out he’s gone to someone else for a freebie.

Same draft year as Podkolzin, who likely hits the waiver wire if not for the Oilers circling around after the Holloway offersheet.

Podz was a former top 10 pick though and Kalyiev is a 2nd rounder. And Podz has probably a much higher NHL floor, in that if he doesn’t hit his “skilled” forward draft profile, he can still help near the bottom of your line up. Doesn’t sound like Kalyiev has that floor, as he’s a coach’s dog house type player.

 

[belair]

The Oilers never prepared for offer sheets. The plan was always to take these two players into September and then force them to sign at a discount as they've done in the past with players like McLeod.

They could have matched if they really wanted to, but they were knee deep into the "we don't want to wreck the chemistry of a Cup Finals team for two ungrateful young players who want to be elsewhere!" logic by then.

How does a Cup contender 'prepare for offersheets' though? The Oilers had to get better this summer. And they had to do that in a way where it's not impossible to do the same in the summer of 2025.

This didn't all happen in one summer. Broberg was reported to be unhappy with the organization because of the way his development had been handled in previous seasons.

The number one reason offersheets happen is the player being willing to sign one.

 

[McShogun99]

How does a Cup contender 'prepare for offersheets' though? The Oilers had to get better this summer. And they had to do that in a way where it's not impossible to do the same in the summer of 2025.

This didn't all happen in one summer. Broberg was reported to be unhappy with the organization because of the way his development had been handled in previous seasons.

The number one reason offersheets happen is the player being willing to sign one.

How much better did they need to get? Scoring winger and upgrade on Ceci. Broberg and Holloway were potentially those 2 players but we didn’t know how soon that could happen or if it could even happen at all.

 

[Fourier]

How does a Cup contender 'prepare for offersheets' though? The Oilers had to get better this summer. And they had to do that in a way where it's not impossible to do the same in the summer of 2025.

This didn't all happen in one summer. Broberg was reported to be unhappy with the organization because of the way his development had been handled in previous seasons.

The number one reason offersheets happen is the player being willing to sign one.

How does any team prepare for offer sheets for players like Holloway and Broberg? About the only examples of players like Holloway or Broberg signing an OS would be the Kesler OS in 2006 and Bernier in 2008. But even so both of those guys were more established.

I was pretty sure Broberg was gone the minute he signed. Holloway I thought they would match when they dealt Ceci. It would be interesting to know what the reaction around here would have been had they signed Holloway for $2M and Broberg for say $2.7M in June. I suspect that this place would have blown up.

 

[MessierII]

because we easily could have afforded both podkolzin and holloway, and holloway is better than all of them. The scraps we spent on extras like perry and brown cost us a core piece.

Perry’s cap is completely buriable in the minors so is browns. That has absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[Messier11]

He certainly has a heavy shot.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

The Oilers never prepared for offer sheets. The plan was always to take these two players into September and then force them to sign at a discount as they've done in the past with players like McLeod.

They could have matched if they really wanted to, but they were knee deep into the "we don't want to wreck the chemistry of a Cup Finals team for two ungrateful young players who want to be elsewhere!" logic by then.

You're acting as if this was a unique strategy to the Oilers. Neither player had proved jack at that point and competitive teams don't offer big $$ to unproven prospects. The Brobergs and Holloways get pinched all the time. Nobody saw the offersheets coming.

 

[alphahelix]

Perry’s cap is completely buriable in the minors so is browns. That has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Your confidence is extremely impressive for someone who is completely wrong.

Must be compensating for something.

 

[MessierII]

Your confidence is extremely impressive for someone who is completely wrong.

Must be compensating for something.

lol tell me how I’m wrong?

 

[alphahelix]

Signing Jeff Skinner was the move that made it difficult to match Holloway. The Ceci trade made it possible to do so, but the Oilers opted to accrue cap space.

If people want to continue complaining about Holloway and Broberg, they need to look back to a year ago where people were suggesting they move veteran players to integrate the young players on to the roster.

They signed the offersheets because the organization didn't have a path for either of them. St Louis offered that to them and it paid them significantly based of the sudden production we got from them.

There is no “one move” that made it difficult to match.

The difference between what Holloway was willing to sign for and a league min. Player is dirt.

We have wasted that kind of money in a dozen different places, any one of them could be “the reason”.

 

[belair]

How much better did they need to get? Scoring winger and upgrade on Ceci. Broberg and Holloway were potentially those 2 players but we didn’t know how soon that could happen or if it could even happen at all.

That was difficult knowing you had a number of players that had to be re-signed, given raises and in other cases completely replaced.

The Oilers don't make the Cup Final without that PK and the Janmark-Henrique-Brown line. Warren Foegele was an integral middle six forward that gave the Oilers much needed scoring depth. The Oilers have had more bad years than good in the bottom six.

This offseason wasn't as simple as filling holes. Shit was complicated.

 

[alphahelix]

lol tell me how I’m wrong?

The buriable amount is somewhere around 1.1M, Perry makes 1.4 M - thats 300k in excess of a league min. Contract that could have been allocated towards Holloway - so excising Perry alone, even if we assume he was buried in the minors, would still add to our possibility of having matched on Holloway.

My point is that we have wasted money all over the place and the table scraps could have easily locked Holloway in, especially as he complained that we cut off communication with him and weren’t even willing to negotiate. Clearly was willing to come in for less than the offer sheet to stay.

 

[belair]

How does any team prepare for offer sheets for players like Holloway and Broberg? About the only examples of players like Holloway or Broberg signing an OS would be the Kesler OS in 2006 and Bernier in 2008. But even so both of those guys were more established.

I was pretty sure Broberg was gone the minute he signed. Holloway I thought they would match when they dealt Ceci. It would be interesting to know what the reaction around here would have been had they signed Holloway for $2M and Broberg for say $2.7M in June. I suspect that this place would have blown up.

I can tell you that this board would've been ultra toxic any moment that either player would have had a slip up. And those posts would've come from a select few.

 

[alphahelix]

You're aware Brown has been costing 0 on the cap in the AHL?

He didnt cost us Holloway.

Which Brown? We’re paying Connor Brown close to 5 million dollars this year. Not to mention that we have in fact paid Josh Brown USD$ against the cap this season, and are currently doing so today as we speak.

 

[belair]

There is no “one move” that made it difficult to match.

The difference between what Holloway was willing to sign for and a league min. Player is dirt.

We have wasted that kind of money in a dozen different places, any one of them could be “the reason”.

That was the one player in the one role that Holloway would have taken on this roster. His cap is also strikingly similar to what Holloway is signed for. I'd argue that if Skinner had signed elsewhere and we'd left the spot open, there's a good chance that Holloway is still an Oiler today.