Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

We are definitely not hitting the full potential of this team. A team driven by McDrai shouldn’t be sitting at around 10th for GF in this League. I agree with you in that we are left wanting in that area.

But I’ll also say that traditionally it takes times for new players on new teams to find their strides. I think for some unknown “something in the water” reason, this is magnified in Edmonton. So I don’t quite think the story is over on this front, we still got time until the TDL to see if these top 6 wingers pan out. I’m almost for certain Arviddson will hit in a big way for us. Hoping maybe Podz, Kap, or JSkinner can find a new level too. We shall see.

It's not the new players that aren't producing. It's the core sans McDrai.

RNH
2024-25
37gp-9g-12a-21pts
2023-24
37gp-11g-25a-36pts

Hyman
2024-25
33gp-13g-9a-22pts
2023-24
33gp-21g-13a-34pts

Bouchard
2024-25
38gp-7g-22a-29pts
2023-24
38gp-9g-30a-39pts

If we're making direct comparisons of the new players compared to who they replaced,

2024-25 Skinner 37gp-6g-7a-13pts
2023-24 Holloway 38gp-6g-3a-9pts

2024-25 Arvidsson 23gp-4g-5a-9pts
2023-24 Foegele 23gp-4g-6a-10pt

Janmark and Brown have both already eclipsed their entire year's production last year so it's not on the bottom-6 either.

Evander Kane's been injured, there's not much we can do about his goals since we haven't been able to replace his salary.

 

[TheNumber4]

what for

when you factor in the extra money we gave Perry and Josh Brown above the league min. that they barely deserve, its basically the difference between a random 4th liner and a Holloway type player.

With all our buyouts and Brown bonus and all the stupid shit we've done its a miracle we're still competing for the division.

He’s just not a good player. Will never had the necessary ability to be a regular on our team.

He can punch a face though. So when we need a face punched I guess he can do that.

 

[TheNumber4]

It's not the new players that aren't producing. It's the core sans McDrai.

RNH
2024-25
37gp-9g-12a-21pts
2023-24
37gp-11g-25a-36pts

Hyman
2024-25
33gp-13g-9a-22pts
2023-24
33gp-21g-13a-34pts

Bouchard
2024-25
38gp-7g-22a-29pts
2023-24
38gp-9g-30a-39pts

If we're making direct comparisons of the new players compared to who they replaced,

2024-25 Skinner 37gp-6g-7a-13pts
2023-24 Holloway 38gp-6g-3a-9pts

2024-25 Arvidsson 23gp-4g-5a-9pts
2023-24 Foegele 23gp-4g-6a-10pt

Janmark and Brown have both already eclipsed their entire year's production last year so it's not on the bottom-6 either.

Evander Kane's been injured, there's not much we can do about his goals since we haven't been able to replace his salary.

You’re right, I should have included them too. We aren’t getting enough from Nuge, Hyms and Bouch. Although with their proven ability im fine if their pace going into the playoffs is about as expected. I do think the Cup hangover effect had a pull down effect on everyone’s stats, cause we just started as a whole as a team so badly. So what I will look for from them is that their pace ups to normal levels as we head into the playoffs.

I think we expected Arviddson and JSkinner to be upgrades on Foegele/Holloway of last year though. They are definitely paid like they should be upgrades, so that should be the expectation.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

You’re right, I should have included them too. We aren’t getting enough from Nuge, Hyms and Bouch. Although with their proven ability im fine if their pace going into the playoffs is about as expected. I do think the Cup hangover effect had a pull down effect on everyone’s stats, cause we just started as a whole as a team so badly. So what I will look for from them is that their pace ups to normal levels as we head into the playoffs.

I think we expected Arviddson and JSkinner to be upgrades on Foegele/Holloway of last year though. They are definitely paid like they should be upgrades, so that should be the expectation.

Yeah I think we all expected them to be upgrades. I think its still too early to tell for Arvidsson, but Skinner has been a massive disappointment. Hopefully we can use his capspace for a real upgrade going into playoffs.

Hyman was a bit of an anomaly, he's been back to his old production since the start of December. RNH and Bouchard have been disappointments thus far and have a ways to go yet to get to back to where they need to be.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yeah I think we all expected them to be upgrades. I think its still too early to tell for Arvidsson, but Skinner has been a massive disappointment. Hopefully we can use his capspace for a real upgrade going into playoffs.

Hyman was a bit of an anomaly, he's been back to his old production since the start of December. RNH and Bouchard have been disappointments thus far and have a ways to go yet to get to back to where they need to be.

I really like Arviddson as of late. I think it’s only a matter of time with him. He’s moving great out there within our offensive systems.

JSkinner might not ever gain the trust of Knob so the cards are definitely stacked against him. The best we might wish for is some additional depth scoring from the bottom 6 at this point. Which wouldn’t be the worse thing.

Yeh Hyman definitely looks to be back.

Nuge is slowly starting to find his scoring touch though. 12 pts in his last 15 GP.

The mistakes are piling up with Bouch and the bombs are not landing. He definitely needs to pick up the pace in a big way. He set a high high bar for himself last season, so it’s going to be tough. I agree.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I really like Arviddson as of late. I think it’s only a matter of time with him. He’s moving great out there within our offensive systems.

JSkinner might not ever gain the trust of Knob so the cards are definitely stacked against him. The best we might wish for is some additional depth scoring from the bottom 6 at this point. Which wouldn’t be the worse thing.

Yeh Hyman definitely looks to be back.

Nuge is slowly starting to find his scoring touch though. 12 pts in his last 15 GP.

The mistakes are piling up with Bouch and the bombs are not landing. He definitely needs to pick up the pace in a big way. He set a high high bar for himself last season, so it’s going to be tough. I agree.

The silver lining of course is his AAV will significantly be lower on his extension because of it. Best case scenario he regains his form for playoffs and we can have our cake and eat it too

 

[McDNicks17]

He’s just not a good player. Will never had the necessary ability to be a regular on our team.

He can punch a face though. So when we need a face punched I guess he can do that.

Is that an issue?

People seem to think that could be the only reason he was signed, but haven't even considered that they might have signed him to play the exact role he is right now.

They've got a veteran call-up that happens to be one of the better fighters in the league on a contract that let's them not worry about sending him up and down.

 

[Stoneman89]

For me, the biggest disappointment has been Bouch. I may be wrong, but it seems like his mistakes and disinterested play have been worse this year, but that may be amplified and skewered by his lowered production. He's missing the net with concerning regularity this year, and his lack of a consistent shot has definitely affected our PP and put more pressure on McDrai. We need him to pick it up badly. I can live with some of the mistakes if he's producing at a high rate.

Is that an issue?

People seem to think that could be the only reason he was signed, but haven't even considered that they might have signed him to play the exact role he is right now.

They've got a veteran call-up that happens to be one of the better fighters in the league on a contract that let's them not worry about sending him up and down.

Make sure he's up and in the lineup for the Leaf game.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Man I wonder if any other teams tried to get askarov. Goalies aren't just linear in development, but this guy is going to be a good one. Already is

 

[TheNumber4]

Is that an issue?

People seem to think that could be the only reason he was signed, but haven't even considered that they might have signed him to play the exact role he is right now.

They've got a veteran call-up that happens to be one of the better fighters in the league on a contract that lets them not worry about sending him up and down.

It isn’t. I just say that to explain why I’m not excited at all about this player.

I get that he may have a specific role, thought I covered that with the face punch comment lol.

 

[soothsayer]

Man I wonder if any other teams tried to get askarov. Goalies aren't just linear in development, but this guy is going to be a good one. Already is

He was in the Vasilevski and Shesterkyn category of "I-know-goalies-are-hard-to-predict-but-he's-guaranteed-to-be-a-number-1." Askarov was always going to be a bona fide starter imo.

 

[Cloned]

Man I wonder if any other teams tried to get askarov. Goalies aren't just linear in development, but this guy is going to be a good one. Already is

Trotz is doing his best Chiarelli impression this year so I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t take the best offer.

 

[alphahelix]

He was in the Vasilevski and Shesterkyn category of "I-know-goalies-are-hard-to-predict-but-he's-guaranteed-to-be-a-number-1." Askarov was always going to be a bona fide starter imo.

agreed. was surprising to see the move.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Strome was such a good pickup for Washington.

 

[oilers4life5]

I still think we need a hitter. Who can we target?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I still think we need a hitter. Who can we target?

Michael McCarron

 

[oilers4life5]

Michael McCarron

That would be great. I would add him and Kostin.

 

[McFlash97]

For me, the biggest disappointment has been Bouch. I may be wrong, but it seems like his mistakes and disinterested play have been worse this year, but that may be amplified and skewered by his lowered production. He's missing the net with concerning regularity this year, and his lack of a consistent shot has definitely affected our PP and put more pressure on McDrai. We need him to pick it up badly. I can live with some of the mistakes if he's producing at a high rate.


Make sure he's up and in the lineup for the Leaf game.

Bouchards face on some of his aggregious turnovers speaks volumes. Looks scared and timid. No confidence in his defensive abilities. Consistently misses the puck when passing like his perception is off. Coffey needs to take him aside and work on his skating. Too upright and comes across as lacking urgency. Give him smelling salts on the bench. Anything. Can't have him cruising through the season like this.

He turned himself from a 11 mill defenseman to a 8 million dollar one.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

That would be great. I would add him and Kostin.

Kostin is like the opposite of a knob type player.

 

[MessierII]

Strome was such a good pickup for Washington.

They were the only team to make him an offer at the time. Absolutely nuts.

I still think we need a hitter. Who can we target?

Evander kane is coming back at some point. Don’t need to spend assets on forwards unless it’s something like Jeff skinner going out and bringing in a different type of guy to play bottom 6.

Kostin is like the opposite of a knob type player.

Wouldn’t mind bringing him back as a UFA but not really interested in renting him.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

That would be great. I would add him and Kostin.

Kostin sucks and is paid 3x what he should be. No thanks.

 

[Soundwave]

Another one for the goalie pile, Justus Annunen, .921 save percentage in 5 games with Nashville makes less than 900k. Might be an Adin Hill kind of buy low.

 

[TheNumber4]

Kostin is like the opposite of a knob type player.

I have it on good authority that Knob thinks hugs are immature and a firm handshake is the best form of affection.

 

[Spawn]

Team has several holes coming into the trade deadline .

In no particular order:
1) Another goalie who can challenge Skinner
2) Another Top 6 winger or a 3C who can push Henrique to wing
3) Another bonafide dman
4) A 4C

I expected the dman and goaltender. But its disappointing our forwards are as poor as they are.

I’d really like to see our management group to be more aggressive than they are.

I hope we see some trades to fill holes.

I also wish they would call up guys like Philp, Savoie to light a fire under some of the prospects. I wouldn’t mind Rodrigues getting a couple games too so we at least know what we got.

1) agree
2) Evander Kane once healthy
3) agree
4) Noah Philp

We don’t need to spend more on the forward group. The pieces are there imo. Just need to find the right combinations before April.

Pickard isn’t the guy should Skinner falter like he always does, and we desperately need someone to play 20+ minutes a night next to Nurse so that we can have Kulak properly anchor the 3rd pair.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

1) agree
2) Evander Kane once healthy
3) agree
4) Noah Philp

We don’t need to spend more on the forward group. The pieces are there imo. Just need to find the right combinations before April.

Pickard isn’t the guy should Skinner falter like he always does, and we desperately need someone to play 20+ minutes a night next to Nurse so that we can have Kulak properly anchor the 3rd pair.

If we can make it happen after finding the G and D, I would still be cool with a 3C being added