Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[TheNumber4]

From an Oilers' perspective I would prefer Miller gone. He's much harder to play against than Petey. Plus I like Pettersson's contract for the Canucks. Miller's $8M is a second liner going forward.

I’ve flipped flopped on this so many times.

I don’t wanna see the Nucks building a mini Team Sweden too by bringing in a revived Zibanejad. They’ll never win anything but if EP40 finds his smile again maybe they become perennial contenders like the Sedin era nucks.

But what really seems to get the Nucks going these last 2 years seems to be hard love from either Tochett or JTs sociopathy. So you’re probably right, we should prefer JT miller gone and expect EP40 to continue to be a fraud of a superstar.

 

[Fourier]

I’ve flipped flopped on this so many times.

I don’t wanna see the Nucks building a mini Team Sweden too by bringing in a revived Zibanejad. They’ll never win anything but if EP40 finds his smile again maybe they become perennial contenders like the Sedin era nucks.

But what really seems to get the Nucks going these last 2 years seems to be hard love from either Tochett or JTs sociopathy. So you’re probably right, we should prefer JT miller gone and expect EP40 to continue to be a fraud of a superstar.

For all the abuse they took the Sedins were magic together. Even with a revived Zibby I don't see the pair being anywhere close to the twins on a consistent basis. Plus, that old Canuck team at the peak of the twins success was very deep especially on defense and in goal. This edition of the Canucks has Hughes who is a legitimate star, but after that I am not overly impressed with their defense. And I'd take Luongo an Schneider by a country mile over any combination of current Canuck goalies.

 

[GMofOilers]

We are going to get Jonathon Quick at the deadline

 

[Mr Positive]

We are going to get Jonathon Quick at the deadline

That would certainly add some drama to the inevitable Kings-Oilers match up

Might Quick put us on his NTC for that reason?

 

[CupofOil]

From an Oilers' perspective I would prefer Miller gone. He's much harder to play against than Petey. Plus I like Pettersson's contract for the Canucks. Miller's $8M is a second liner going forward.

Miller is the engine of that team. He seems like a difficult guy to get along with but he's a hell of a player. Like you said, much harder to play against than Petersson and more consistently visible.

I don't know, I keep hearing about this Vancouver crash and burn yet they're 18-11 and right in the thick of the race. Maybe the crash and burn is coming soon but they always seem to win somehow. Tocchet is a good coach.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

For all the abuse they took the Sedins were magic together. Even with a revived Zibby I don't see the pair being anywhere close to the twins on a consistent basis. Plus, that old Canuck team at the peak of the twins success was very deep especially on defense and in goal. This edition of the Canucks has Hughes who is a legitimate star, but after that I am not overly impressed with their defense. And I'd take Luongo an Schneider by a country mile over any combination of current Canuck goalies.

If zibs can't get it together 5 on 5 playing with panarin he ain't going to suddenly do that playing with an inferior player.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Jets are gonna crash and burn again lol.

Guaranteed.

That would certainly add some drama to the inevitable Kings-Oilers match up

Might Quick put us on his NTC for that reason?

Man you gotta think a chance at one last cup - especially with Skinner’s vulnerability.

 

[Mr Positive]

That's your reasoning? He used to be good 5 years ago? Should we buy low on Marc Edouard Vlasic while we're at it?

Goalies age better though. Gibson is only 31, Vlasic 37.

At one point people thought Bobrovsky was toast but he regained his form. Plus you have to wonder about any player who does bad stuck on a bad team. Is he dragged down by his team? Maybe. That goes for Vlasic too. Except with Vlasic, there's his age too.

 

[K1984]

From an Oilers' perspective I would prefer Miller gone. He's much harder to play against than Petey. Plus I like Pettersson's contract for the Canucks. Miller's $8M is a second liner going forward.

From the outside I think it's fairly apparent that a lot of their "hard work" culture is driven by Miller on the ice and Tocchett off. You take out that voice and have the void filled by the whispers of "gee hope we do good tonight guys" from Petey and Hughes and I think it eventually has a cascading effect through the room.

Any team with Pettersson as their leader up front will never win anything. For that reason I concur - hope they deal Miller.

 

[soothsayer]

Miller is the engine of that team. He seems like a difficult guy to get along with but he's a hell of a player. Like you said, much harder to play against than Petersson and more consistently visible.

I don't know, I keep hearing about this Vancouver crash and burn yet they're 18-11 and right in the thick of the race. Maybe the crash and burn is coming soon but they always seem to win somehow. Tocchet is a good coach.

Miller's personality is like Draisaitl's if Draisaitl were a dude-brah. He is the kind of clown you can't believe hasn't been punched out yet at this stage of his life.

 

[K1984]

Miller is the engine of that team. He seems like a difficult guy to get along with but he's a hell of a player. Like you said, much harder to play against than Petersson and more consistently visible.

I don't know, I keep hearing about this Vancouver crash and burn yet they're 18-11 and right in the thick of the race. Maybe the crash and burn is coming soon but they always seem to win somehow. Tocchet is a good coach.

*18-11-8

The Nucks are living on a razor's edge, the only reason they are alive is a combo of goaltending and their frustrating ability to score 3-4 goals per game on about 20 shots gets them into OT almost every single game.

They're still PDO jockeys and have no room whatsoever for error. A small step backwards and they stop going into OT and regulations losses will start to pile up.

 

[iCanada]

Miller's personality is like Draisaitl's if Draisaitl were a dude-brah. He is the kind of clown you can't believe hasn't been punched out yet at this stage of his life.

Eh, I'm not sure I see the Draisaitl connection.

Draisaitl is intensely competitive and at times overtly sardonic, but he internalizes and lashes out at opponents and media, not his teammates. I've never seen Draisaitl lash out at a teammate.

Miller legit has temper tantrums with his own guys on a day to day basis. Calls them out to the media.

 

[K1984]

Eh, I'm not sure I see the Draisaitl connection.

Draisaitl is intensely competitive and at times overtly sardonic, but he internalizes and lashes out at opponents and media, not his teammates. I've never seen Draisaitl lash out at a teammate.

Miller legit has temper tantrums with his own guys on a day to day basis. Calls them out to the media.

JT Miller is the type of player almost everyone grew up playing with that would pout/throw temper tantrums if they feel their shift got cut short. These players never make it anywhere, but he seems to be the one that slipped through the cracks.

Leon goes back to the bench heated for a variety of reasons all the time, but he stews on it then takes it out on people on the ice. Seems to rarely go after teammates unless they deserve it. Miller just bullies the weakest link.

 

[bobbythebrain]

JT Miller is the type of player almost everyone grew up playing with that would pout/throw temper tantrums if they feel their shift got cut short. These players never make it anywhere, but he seems to be the one that slipped through the cracks.

Leon goes back to the bench heated for a variety of reasons all the time, but he stews on it then takes it out on people on the ice. Seems to rarely go after teammates unless they deserve it. Miller just bullies the weakest link.

Lol. What? This guy is a hockey player. Petey is a modern day millennial baby who doesn't want to try.

It's well known that the Finnish Fortnite crew(JP, Laine and Joulevi) prioritized video games as much as hockey.
JT gets called out for yelling at Oli for sitting on the corner...please.
Funny how Miller always produces but Petey quits playing hockey until JT isn't? They are on separate lines, so what's Petey problem?

I'll listen to teamates over media anyday about JT....and Richardson said he loves him

Also, if JT is such a menace...then what the hell is Mackinnon? He must be a monster.

Teams need more JTs and less entitled players like Petey.

I knew Petey had this entitled attitude his first year. You could see it miles away

 

[K1984]

Lol. What? This guy is a hockey player. Petey is a modern day millennial baby who doesn't want to try.

It's well known that the Finnish Fortnite crew(JP, Laine and Joulevi) prioritized video games as much as hockey.
JT gets called out for yelling at Oli for sitting on the corner...please.
Funny how Miller always produces but Petey quits playing hockey until JT isn't? They are on separate lines, so what's Petey problem?

I'll listen to teamates over media anyday about JT....and Richardson said he loves him

Also, if JT is such a menace...then what the hell is Mackinnon? He must be a monster.

Teams need more JTs and less entitled players like Petey.

I knew Petey had this entitled attitude his first year. You could see it miles away

Oh Petey is a little bitch, don't get me wrong. As an Oiler fan I'd rather they move Miller, he is the more effective player hands down.

That doesn't change that Miller is also a clown in his own way.

 

[iCanada]

JT Miller is the type of player almost everyone grew up playing with that would pout/throw temper tantrums if they feel their shift got cut short. These players never make it anywhere, but he seems to be the one that slipped through the cracks.

Leon goes back to the bench heated for a variety of reasons all the time, but he stews on it then takes it out on people on the ice. Seems to rarely go after teammates unless they deserve it. Miller just bullies the weakest link.

I mean I guess the thing with Miller is he's American and the culture is a bit different there. He's also likely been unquestionably ridiculously elite in a less talented overall environment since he was a child.

Also - I wanted to note - Draisaitl has matured quite a bit this year. He's going on like 30 games now without a penalty after Knob benched him early in the year.

He's also like 3 years younger than Miller, iirc.

 

[soothsayer]

Eh, I'm not sure I see the Draisaitl connection.

Draisaitl is intensely competitive and at times overtly sardonic, but he internalizes and lashes out at opponents and media, not his teammates. I've never seen Draisaitl lash out at a teammate.

Miller legit has temper tantrums with his own guys on a day to day basis. Calls them out to the media.

Lashing out at teammates is the douche-bag aspect that sets them apart. Maybe not the best comparison; I agree with the above that MacKinnon might be the better comparison. But their attitudes strike me as similar--their competitiveness can take them over the line at times. But like I said, Miller just seems like an annoying asshole.

Anyways, I'm enjoying watching the inevitable drain-circling we're seeing from the Canucks. I look forward to them missing the playoffs.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

From an Oilers' perspective I would prefer Miller gone. He's much harder to play against than Petey. Plus I like Pettersson's contract for the Canucks. Miller's $8M is a second liner going forward.

Nah, I want them to keep Miller. Dudes an asshat that can't control himself.

Tampa was happy to punt him because of his attitude, and he's already had beef with Horvat in Vancouver. Petersson is just the target du jour, once he's gone Miller will just find a new perceived issue to set his sights on. Let them spin that roulette wheel and see if it's Joshua, Hughes, or someone else.

You win by having a tight room, players that always find a way to drive a crowbar into the middle of the dressing room are just toxic.

 

[McDNicks17]

I feel like Miller’s personality wouldn't really be a newsworthy thing if he wasn't on such a bad team with soft leadership for so long.

Lots of guys in the league are uber competitive like him, but they usually have other uber competitive guys working with them and not the opposite working against them.

 

[Shanahanigans]

I'm sure Miller can go overboard with his intensity but Pettersson is not a little kid, he's 26 making nearly 12 million and an assistant captain. Your highest paid player cannot disappear for long stretches because he "doesn't get along with a teammate." It's the NHL, figure it out.

 

[McAsuno]

The Edmonton Oilers are keeping an eye on the trade market, specifically for a defenceman to add to their roster by the March 7 trade deadline.

With some salary cap space to play with, any major addition to the blueline would have to result in some cap juggling and the possibility of a current roster player being sent the other way.

As TFP’s David Pagnotta reported on “The Powerplay” on SiriusXM NHL Network Radio on Thursday, the Oilers are scouring the market but may not make a move for a defenceman until closer to the deadline to maximize their cap space.

The Oilers would ideally like to add a right-shot rearguard, but are open to adding a lefty, if the right deal presents itself.

With the uncertainty surrounding Evander Kane’s status – he remains on LTIR after undergoing surgery in September – the Oilers are uncertain, to date, if they will have extra cap space to play with should Kane be deemed unable to play for the balance of the regular-season. It was initially thought he would be able to come back at some point in early-2025.

Should Kane be unfit to play until the post-season, the Oilers could then exceed the cap by $5.25 million in LTIR overage space.

Several defencemen remain linked to the Oilers, including Montreal Canadiens rearguard David Savard, Anaheim Ducks blueliner Brian Dumoulin, and Columbus Blue Jackets defenceman Ivan Provorov –Savard is a right-handed shot, while Provorov plays both sides.

 

[Canovin]

I would welcome Miller on the Oilers if we had 8M

 

[Fourier]

If zibs can't get it together 5 on 5 playing with panarin he ain't going to suddenly do that playing with an inferior player.

I wouldn't loose much sleep over a Miller of for Zippy deal if I were the Oilers.

 

[LevelingSolo]

You get the feeling Vancouver is gonna do something wild

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

You get the feeling Vancouver is gonna do something wild

I hope they do something stupid.