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[Fourier]

Almost a concensus thanks!
I think I'll have to shitcan my hypothesis!

I've always agreed that he was / is an exceptional talent, but thought that maybe he'd be shut down with his antics here. I do believe that they are an asset when he dosent get carried away.

Tkachuk played a bit in the shadow of Marner. But since it seems the Rangers played the Knights 567 times that year I got to see more than enough of him that year to believe he was the guy the Oilers should pick.


He had a fantastic playoff leading up to the Memorial Cup. (London swept the Rangers in the second round but it was a tough series. These teams are big rivals.) I have no doubt he would have fit in well with McDavid and Draisiatl because he does not need to have the puck all the time to succeed.

 

[iCanada]

Speaking of Oilers prospects - O'Reilly's looking like a winner.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I have a theory on Tkachuk. Love to hear others' opinions on it.

My brother in law is a loser. Whoops i mean a Flames fan. We had this discussion years back. My theory is that Tkachuk going to Calgary was the best situation for him to shine. His game fit their mold like a glove. While I'm sure he would have had success with the Oilers, I don't think as much since his style wasn't (isn't) in line with Oilers style.

What do others think? Do I have some merit or am I F ing delusional again?!

Landing on and being stapled to Backlund and Frolik was probably the best thing for Tkachuk's career.
Though it's not like Edmonton would have been the worst spot for him with Maroon, Hall/Lucic (who knows, maybe the Oil dodge that bullet with Tkachuk filling that role, and Kassian.



Still the correct move at that point was always moving the pick. The team at that point didn't need another young forward (frankly it needed to prune one or two).


Hall-Drai-Ebs
Maroon-McDavid-Yak
Pouliot-RNH-Kassian
Hendricks-Letestu-Pakarinen

Plus they had Khaira and Slepyshev knocking on the door. Caggiula was also signed that offseason.
Another young LHD also wasn't a need as the Leftorium was at its peak.

Sekera
Nurse
Klefbom
Marincin
Davidson
Reinhart
Osterle


I find it hard to believe that the 3rd OV and someone like Nurse or Klefbom (or even Hall/RNH) doesn't get the conversation started on Weber or Subban. Or even just Larsson for the pick instead of Hall. Do that, and sign a proper stop gap #3C and that team looked a hell of a lot better.


Hall-Drai-Ebs
Maroon-McDavid-RNH
Pouliot-Legwand-Kassian
Hendricks-Letestu-Pakarinen

Klef/Nurse-Weber/Subban
Sekera-Russell
Davidson-Gryba
Fayne/Benning

Talbot
Gustavsson/Brossoit

 

[FlameChampion]

I have a theory on Tkachuk. Love to hear others' opinions on it.

My brother in law is a loser. Whoops i mean a Flames fan. We had this discussion years back. My theory is that Tkachuk going to Calgary was the best situation for him to shine. His game fit their mold like a glove. While I'm sure he would have had success with the Oilers, I don't think as much since his style wasn't (isn't) in line with Oilers style.

What do others think? Do I have some merit or am I F ing delusional again?!

Its an interesting thought exercise.

I personally think he would fit pretty good with McDavid. I think hes in a similar vein to the Hyman and Maroon who both have had success with McDavid. He obviously would of been a better pick than what we made.

That being said, I personally have a hard time analyzing Tkachuk. Maybe I am biased but I think hes overrated (in the fans/medias eyes).

I think hes a complimentary player albeit a pretty good one but the few times I watched Calgary games, I think Gaudreau propped up Tkachuk and Lindholm quite a bit. We seen Kane completely neutralize him in the playoffs. Outside of the one crazy year where everything went perfect for Calgary (minus the playoffs lol), his stats are fine to good.

Even in Florida, how important is he really? I dont think they won a stanley cup because of him. Barkov, Forsling, Reinhart, Verhaege, Bennett and hell even Rodrigues probably had more impact. That was a really deep team that got guys like Tarasenko for pennies because that was the only team he would go to.

I feel like hes always had a "great playoff type of player" but I dont think hes actually that great in the playoffs.

 

[McShogun99]

Landing on and being stapled to Backlund and Frolik was probably the best thing for Tkachuk's career.
Though it's not like Edmonton would have been the worst spot for him with Maroon, Hall/Lucic (who knows, maybe the Oil dodge that bullet with Tkachuk filling that role, and Kassian.



Still the correct move at that point was always moving the pick. The team at that point didn't need another young forward (frankly it needed to prune one or two).


Hall-Drai-Ebs
Maroon-McDavid-Yak
Pouliot-RNH-Kassian
Hendricks-Letestu-Pakarinen

Plus they had Khaira and Slepyshev knocking on the door. Caggiula was also signed that offseason.
Another young LHD also wasn't a need as the Leftorium was at its peak.

Sekera
Nurse
Klefbom
Marincin
Davidson
Reinhart
Osterle


I find it hard to believe that the 3rd OV and someone like Nurse or Klefbom (or even Hall/RNH) doesn't get the conversation started on Weber or Subban. Or even just Larsson for the pick instead of Hall. Do that, and sign a proper stop gap #3C and that team looked a hell of a lot better.


Hall-Drai-Ebs
Maroon-McDavid-RNH
Pouliot-Legwand-Kassian
Hendricks-Letestu-Pakarinen

Klef/Nurse-Weber/Subban
Sekera-Russell
Davidson-Gryba
Fayne/Benning

Talbot
Gustavsson/Brossoit

Columbus did us a huge favor by passing on JP which caused Chia to cream his pants and abandon the rumored trade with Montreal of Draisaitl and #4 for Subban and #9.

 

[Mr Kot]

Speaking of Oilers prospects - O'Reilly's looking like a winner.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Columbus did us a huge favor by passing on JP which caused Chia to cream his pants and abandon the rumored trade with Montreal of Draisaitl and #4 for Subban and #9.

It's a tough one. Yes, losing Drai hurts, but all it would result in is the team still keeping another future MVP-winning talent.

Plus if there's a decent chance they take Bean (meh), McAvoy(nice), or Farbro(meh) there.

Imho, a defence anchored by Subban and Sekera (different butterfly effect, maybe he doesn't get injured vs. ANA), plus Hall and McDavid up front sees this team win a cup before 2020.

 

[Tarus]

Columbus did us a huge favor by passing on JP which caused Chia to cream his pants and abandon the rumored trade with Montreal of Draisaitl and #4 for Subban and #9.

From what I remember of that rumor at the time, the Oilers offered up Hall(who was being offered up to everyone at that point) for Subban, Montreal said they wanted Drai, and the deal was pretty much dead there, and double dead when Columbus went off the board and took the player Montreal wanted.

It's pretty obvious that the Oilers were going to make a pick that day too, so whatever was discussed was already dead by the time they all gathered at the draft tables.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

IMO after these 2 weekend games for the AHL club Philp should be getting the call-up, it's time to see what we have in him.

 

[TheNumber4]

Speaking of Oilers prospects - O'Reilly's looking like a winner.

It’s like Auston and Hyman all over again.

Overrated Leaf’s holding back future Oiler legends.

 

[oXo Cube]

IMO after these 2 weekend games for the AHL club Philp should be getting the call-up, it's time to see what we have in him.

It was time to see what we have in Philp 2 months ago but management is terrified of waiving Derek Ryan for some reason.

 

[CupofOil]

You’re aware we traded for griffin after draisaitl was drafted right?

Nope, obviously lol

I was aware but it's a brain cramp on my part. I actually never liked Griffin Reinhart, I always had arguments with Oil Kings fans who thought he was a potential top pairing Dman at the NHL level so I was beyond floored when the Oilers gave up that much for him so I always equated Sam to Griffin, I didn't see much upside in him either.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

IMO after these 2 weekend games for the AHL club Philp should be getting the call-up, it's time to see what we have in him.

It would give you a little more than 20 games before the TDL to figure out what calibre of C this team needs at the TDL. Is it an everyday 3rd/4th line centre (Bjudstad)? Or can Philp show he can fill that role, leaving them needing a cheaper, fill-in/PB guy (à la Carrick last year).

That sounds like a perfect audition period to figure out that question.

 

[Frank the Tank]

McCarron in Nashville remains an intriguing option. He's a right shot, has size, PKs, and is decent in the faceoff circle.

 

[VeteranPresence]

It would give you a little more than 20 games before the TDL to figure out what calibre of C this team needs at the TDL. Is it an everyday 3rd/4th line centre (Bjudstad)? Or can Philp show he can fill that role, leaving them needing a cheaper, fill-in/PB guy (à la Carrick last year).

That sounds like a perfect audition period to figure out that question.

Same with Rodrigue. Give him the Chicago game at least to see what you have.

 

[McShogun99]

Nope, obviously lol

I was aware but it's a brain cramp on my part. I actually never liked Griffin Reinhart, I always had arguments with Oil Kings fans who thought he was a potential top pairing Dman at the NHL level so I was beyond floored when the Oilers gave up that much for him so I always equated Sam to Griffin, I didn't see much upside in him either.

I thought Griffin was going to be the next Shea Weber…

 

[Faelko]

Speaking of Oilers prospects - O'Reilly's looking like a winner.

After watching the WJ, I’ll safely assume he’s also a million times better without the puck haha

 

[iCanada]

After watching the WJ, I’ll safely assume he’s also a million times better without the puck haha

But Canada didn't invite guys like him or Sennecke to camp of course, lol.

 

[Oilhawks]

But Canada didn't invite guys like him or Sennecke to camp of course, lol.

Why invite a two-way defensive stud when you can lose 4-1 to your chief rival instead? Hmmm

 

[VeteranPresence]

But Canada didn't invite guys like him or Sennecke to camp of course, lol.

I posted before the tourney that there was a "B" team of guys Hockey Canada cut (or didn't even invite) that I would take over the entire A roster and sure enough that looks to be about right- Sennecke, Cristall, Yakemchuk, etc etc. Not shocked HC is still full of dinosaurs whose only qualifications are the people they know, that's how we ended up with Nicholscam and the dynamic duo of Chiarelli/Holland.

 

[iCanada]

Why invite a two-way defensive stud when you can lose 4-1 to your chief rival instead? Hmmm

We were just making sure Latvia felt involved and included.

 

[Louis Cypher]

My guy in the Nurse draft was Sean Monahan. I was really impressed with him in Ottawa. I also liked Horvat.

I think they would have taken Monahan if he was still available.

 

[K1984]

I posted before the tourney that there was a "B" team of guys Hockey Canada cut (or didn't even invite) that I would take over the entire A roster and sure enough that looks to be about right- Sennecke, Cristall, Yakemchuk, etc etc. Not shocked HC is still full of dinosaurs whose only qualifications are the people they know, that's how we ended up with Nicholscam and the dynamic duo of Chiarelli/Holland.

This is the first time maybe ever that I can remember Team Canada being galaxy brained like this in the Juniors. In past years there might be a single player or two that is snubbed that raises eyebrows, but never anything close to this. The decisions don't even hold up to "I can see what they might have been thinking there even though it was wrong" type of scrutiny. The Oiler/Flame bias aside, I can't fathom a single possible reason it makes more sense to have Beau Akey on the roster playing 2 shifts per game instead of Parakeh.

Salmond should be fired for this, and for the love of god can they find anyone other than Dave Cameron to lurk around the Junior team? He seems to coach it every second or third year and sucks at it every single time.

 

[North]

This is the first time maybe ever that I can remember Team Canada being galaxy brained like this in the Juniors. In past years there might be a single player or two that is snubbed that raises eyebrows, but never anything close to this. The decisions don't even hold up to "I can see what they might have been thinking there even though it was wrong" type of scrutiny. The Oiler/Flame bias aside, I can't fathom a single possible reason it makes more sense to have Beau Akey on the roster playing 2 shifts per game instead of Parakeh.

Salmond should be fired for this, and for the love of god can they find anyone other than Dave Cameron to lurk around the Junior team? He seems to coach it every second or third year and sucks at it every single time.

The thing about it though is Akey has actually played well. They aren’t giving him minutes because they’d rather sink or swim with bigger names that aren’t playing well.

Bonk has been awful this tournament.

 

[PaPaDee]

It's not our offense didn't show up, Bob shut the door for most of those games whereas Skinner was crap to start the series putting us into a virtually insurmountable 0-3 hole. Florida is simply too good of a team for anyone to beat 4 times straight.



Gibson @50%

Cam Talbot

Vejmelka

Blomqvist

Would all be OK tandem options.

There's plenty of decent options, people need to stop acting like this has to be rocket science, it's not.

We sat on our ass and watched Blackwood and Askarov go.

I’d be interested in a Talbot reunion. No interest in Gibson.