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TB12

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Actually the only reason coming from that side.

What’s more objective? Calling Stu an average goalie and having 2 and half years off of stats to back that up? Or calling him the worst goalie in the league and having 10 game sample to back that claim?

The comparison gets even worse when you go through all the game by game goals agains analystic where literally any goal, doesn’t depend on the situation, or the shooter, or breakdown in defence in front of the goalie is called a bad goal.
I literally said in my post that he's a 1B at best. Which is pretty much the definition of thoroughly average. I think a lot of goalies could do what Stu does behind this team defensive structure. And I think a lot of goalies could do better than what Stu provides behind this defensive structure. What are you even raging on about with me?
 

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I just said I’m talking about his whole season. Including his “elite” month his numbers are still in the toilet. Is that or is that not true? Again.. The only person cherry picking is you.

lol when in our debate did I say he’s the worst goalie in the league.
If we are talking about his performance this year, then we aren’t even in disagreement cause I’ve said before Knob had to say it himself, that he hasn’t been good enough. But if we are in agreement there then why are you calling me biased?

Cause I thought he could rebound? And then he rebounded exactly as I thought he could?

If you haven’t called him the worst goalie in the League, then I’ll apologize, but I’m pretty sure you have and many have in the Stu haters club. But you keep making allusions to that regardless, so can you blame me? For example, he’s pretty much already fought himself back to league average save percentage (.894 vs. .900). But you call it toilet numbers when they are just below average numbers. Little hyperbole there no? Lack of objectivity no?
 

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They could have drafted any one or two or three of Tkachuk, Barzal, Aho, DeBrincat, Connor, Boeser in 2015 or 2016, all of those guys were just sitting there and the Oilers said nope to all of them.

Can't cry about not having a good farm system when that's how you get gift wrapped bumper crop drafts and you don't take advantage.

Justin Schultz did play a top 3-4 D role on two Cup winning teams as well.
MacT was a shit manager. The worst of the worst. He didn't have a resume to begin with and he'll never get the opportunity to build one after what he did to the Oilers in his brief period at the helm.

Picking Draisaitl and Nurse are the only two positive things that he left for them along with the cap hell, poor veteran defense and barren farm system the organization was left with in his wake.
 

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They could have drafted any one or two or three of Tkachuk, Barzal, Aho, DeBrincat, Connor, Boeser in 2015 or 2016, all of those guys were just sitting there and the Oilers said nope to all of them.

Can't cry about not having a good farm system when that's how you get gift wrapped bumper crop drafts and you don't take advantage.

Justin Schultz did play a top 3-4 D role on two Cup winning teams as well.
MacT hired Dallas Eakins as head coach..the worst coach in hockey history

He also thought Nikita Nikitin was a good NhL defenseman and called Justin Schultz “a future Norris trophy winner”

I wouldn’t trust him with a lemonade stand
 
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Actually he wasn't the minute CBJ passed on him. Just like Shane Wright, several teams followed suit.

Also, it's already been well established he wasn't rushed. He admitted that, so did his agent that didn't put in any work from the input of the team. He just did his own thing

JP is to blame, not the org
What are you talking about? Edmonton picked right after CBJ
 

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I literally said in my post that he's a 1B at best. Which is pretty much the definition of thoroughly average. I think a lot of goalies could do what Stu does behind this team defensive structure. And I think a lot of goalies could do better than what Stu provides behind this defensive structure. What are you even raging on about with me?
Amongst other posts that'll say he sucks and is the worst or whatever I often here. But maybe that's not you, and if you think he's average, cool, cause so do I. So why am I the only one being called bias if our overall thoughts on the goalie line up?
 

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I saw something today about Toews saying he's considering coming back?

I'm not saying this should happen - but if it does, I have to think Edmonton is where he looks first with the Keith/Bowman connection - plus a chance to add another cup to the legacy.

Again, I'm not advocating for it - but I wouldn't be surprised if both sides were interested should he try and come back.
 

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I'm not going to lose any sleep over Pickard being moved in a trade, because that goalie will automatically be better than Skinner if he's at all an upgrade on Calvin.

Of course, our coach will actually need to play that goalie rather than letting Stu continually get away with murdering his own team's chances most nights, but that's a different problem.
The Oilers won’t trade Pickard. They fall in love with nice guys at the detriment of improving the team.
 
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MacT would've taken Juolevi. It's odd how fond you are of MacT considering his hands are all over the decade of darkness.
He selected Nurse and Drai, so he did okay with some high picks. And he was the head coach that took an underdog all the way to game 7 of the finals. There have been a whole lot worse that have been here.
 
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If we are talking about his performance this year, then we aren’t even in disagreement cause I’ve said before Knob had to say it himself, that he hasn’t been good enough. But if we are in agreement there then why are you calling me biased?

Cause I thought he could rebound? And then he rebounded exactly as I thought he could?

If you haven’t called him the worst goalie in the League, then I’ll apologize, but I’m pretty sure you have and many have in the Stu haters club. But you keep making allusions to that regardless, so can you blame me? For example, he’s pretty much already fought himself back to league average save percentage (.894 vs. .900). But you call it toilet numbers when they are just below average numbers. Little hyperbole there no? Lack of objectivity no?
He hasn’t rebounded until his stats are out of the basement. You are jumping the gun.
Yah I probably did call him the worst goalie in the league when he was playing like it. He was literally last in the league statistically at one point.

Having an 894 and being 75th GSAE on a contender is toilet numbers.
 
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So does sample size not matter to define a goaltender in your myopic and cherry picked view? He’s got two straight seasons of average to above average play. He likely will trend back to above average after a rough start like he did last year. He’s .06 away from hitting league average save percentage after that rough start, and you think that translates to him being a bottom tier goalie? -6 of his -5.8 GSAx came from two early season games where he and the team were completely torched. Take those out and he’s about average again like he’s always been. Don’t take them out and he’ll trend back to that average level anyways.

Take those games out.....squint...........and he is about average!

On a team that is basically elite in most of the advanced metrics.

He isn't my starting goalie on a team that is contending for a cup.
 

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Bob Stauffer says the Oilers need help in the top 4 on defense and the bottom six on forward. He said that all he is going to say is to give the General Manager some time.

He expects Emberson to sign long term very soon.

He says the fans would be naive to think that the only move the Oilers will make is on defense. He says there may be an internal move that will be made (Savoie?) and that he has no clue on what is going on with Evander Kane.
 

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Bob Stauffer says the Oilers need help in the top 4 on defense and the bottom six on forward. He said that all he is going to say is to give the General Manager some time.

He expects Emberson to sign long term very soon.

He says the fans would be naive to think that the only move the Oilers will make is on defense. He says there may be an internal move that will be made (Savoie?) and that he has no clue on what is going on with Evander Kane.
Same thing he spouts every day
Yawn
 

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Take those games out.....squint...........and he is about average!

On a team that is basically elite in most of the advanced metrics.

He isn't my starting goalie on a team that is contending for a cup.
Like. I'm with you.
 

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Even attempting to have an objective view of Skinner means you're a "fanboy" or some bullshit. People here have lost the plot.
But your view isn't objective. Your argument against the claim that Pickard may be playing better than Skinner this year given that Pickard has a better sv%, better gaa, and a better win % (better goals saved above expected and a bunch of other advanced stats, too, btw) is something like "context" makes it "obvious" Skinner is better and anyone who disagrees "doesn't know what they're talking about." Lol.
 
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He hasn’t rebounded until his stats are out of the basement. You are jumping the gun.
Yah I probably did call him the worst goalie in the league when he was playing like it. He was literally last in the league statistically at one point.

Having an 894 and being 75th GSAE on a contender is toilet numbers.
Sure and I was "jumping the gun" last year too when it was brutally obvious that Skinner's numbers would rebound after trash fire Woody defence was fixed. But sure, maybe let's say he's rebounding as opposed to rebounded. Although I'm pretty sure I already said he was trending to average which implies it anyways.

League average is .900. Those are below average numbers not toilet numbers.

His -5.8 GsaX has been rebounding too. But that's a tougher one to rebound from since -7 of that GsaX number came from 2 really horrific games in the beginning of the year and like i said earlier, the Oilers rarely give their goalies a chance to have a strong night or to "steal a game" cause we are so possession and shot dominant as team. But give it enough time and if this likely trend holds, he'll be back to exactly what he was for the last 2 years. An average goalie.

Take those games out.....squint...........and he is about average!

On a team that is basically elite in most of the advanced metrics.

He isn't my starting goalie on a team that is contending for a cup.
Include them then, and he'll still trend right back to average (or above) like he did for 2 years straight already.
 

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Bob Stauffer says the Oilers need help in the top 4 on defense and the bottom six on forward. He said that all he is going to say is to give the General Manager some time.

We don't have the luxury of time. Other GMs have already been able to make the moves they needed to, and Vancouver will be joining in the festivities after the holiday trade freeze with Hughes out week-to-week. WTF is Bowman waiting for?

He expects Emberson to sign long term very soon.

He's been an alright #5/6, but again this is Bowman/JJ fidgeting with the edges of the roster and not addressing its true problems.

He says the fans would be naive to think that the only move the Oilers will make is on defense. He says there may be an internal move that will be made (Savoie?) and that he has no clue on what is going on with Evander Kane.

Hoping the internal move is Philp to replace Ryan. The big surprise here is us shopping for a bottom six forward since we need someone with top six chops more... unless the plan is a 3C to push Henrique down to 4C so Nuge can keep riding McDavid's coattails, I don't see the logic.
 

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But your view isn't objective. Your argument against the claim that Pickard may be playing better than Skinner this year given that Pickard has a better sv%, better gaa, and a better win % (better goals saved above expected and a bunch of other advanced stats, too, btw) is something like "context" makes it "obvious" Skinner is better and anyone who disagrees "doesn't know what they're talking about." Lol.

People with functioning brains should be able to recognize why Pickard’s SV% is 0.004 better than Skinner’s and reasons behind it. I’ve provided justification for my opinion numerous times, meanwhile you’ve only gotten as far as “DUUUUUH SV% HIGHER!”

Sadly, in your case, you aren’t able to grasp this. I’m sorry that this very basic concept is difficult for you to handle.
 
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Bob Stauffer says the Oilers need help in the top 4 on defense and the bottom six on forward. He said that all he is going to say is to give the General Manager some time.

He expects Emberson to sign long term very soon.

He says the fans would be naive to think that the only move the Oilers will make is on defense. He says there may be an internal move that will be made (Savoie?) and that he has no clue on what is going on with Evander Kane.
Stauffer has literally become the single “inside Oilers employee” that you can guarantee has ZERO knowledge of what is going on with the club machinations.

He has taken to talking in such roundabout ways that he literally can be both wrong and right at the same time. His show has gotten to be baaaaaad radio.

I hear there might be an opening in Ottawa soon. He should apply, he’s perfect at saying nothing while talking out of both sides of his mouth. And then, let’s talk about pork barrelling…
 

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People with functioning brains should be able to recognize why Pickard’s SV% is 0.004 better than Skinner’s and reasons behind it. I’ve provided justification for my opinion numerous times, meanwhile you’ve only gotten as far as “DUUUUUH SV% HIGHER!”

Sadly, in your case, you aren’t able to grasp this. I’m sorry that this very basic concept is difficult for you to handle.
See, there you go again. You just can't help yourself lol.
 

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Taking Puljujarvi over Tkachuk was a franchise altering move (not in a good way).
I like the franchise altering part where Tkachuk requested a trade and the Flames decided to saddle themselves with Huberdeau for 8 years.


They need to put Skinner with Mcdavid for a stretch of games just to start building some chemistry. Knob ended that like 2 games into the season.
 

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Bob Stauffer says the Oilers need help in the top 4 on defense and the bottom six on forward. He said that all he is going to say is to give the General Manager some time.

He expects Emberson to sign long term very soon.

He says the fans would be naive to think that the only move the Oilers will make is on defense. He says there may be an internal move that will be made (Savoie?) and that he has no clue on what is going on with Evander Kane.

I think the Oil went out of their way to accommodate an older vet with a family, letting him spend the holidays and his birthday at home; but I'm pretty sure it's a safe bet that will be Philp coming up for Ryan.

-2 in 8 min vs. the Ducks ain't great for someone that's been in and out of the lineup.


And honestly, swapping Ryan/Skinner out for Philp does help the team look far more balanced. Savoie would be running into the same issue as Skinner, where he's an offensive player without a role. Kapanen already walking that knife's edge, but his skating allows him to stand out positively at evens, plus he can PK.


I wouldn't be surprised if this is the lineup by some point in mid-January.

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Podz-Drai-RV
Janmark-Henrique-Kap
Brown-Philp-Perry
Skinner
 

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We don't have the luxury of time. Other GMs have already been able to make the moves they needed to, and Vancouver will be joining in the festivities after the holiday trade freeze with Hughes out week-to-week. WTF is Bowman waiting for?
Cap space and a trade market.

'Other GMs' have paid exorbitant prices so far for the few options that have come available. Bowman has added Kapanen at the cost of a roster spot.

Hoping the internal move is Philp to replace Ryan. The big surprise here is us shopping for a bottom six forward since we need someone with top six chops more... unless the plan is a 3C to push Henrique down to 4C so Nuge can keep riding McDavid's coattails, I don't see the logic.
In a perfect world, that'd be the answer. But at the same time the Oilers need a 4C that isn't going to be the target of opponent line matches in the postseason. And for once the Oilers' prowess on the faceoff dot is a strength.

Preferably the Oilers target a 4C that can ace draws, can play a bigger role on the PK, giving some rest to a guy like RNH or Henrique, who are going to see their EV minutes increase in the playoffs.

I think Philp is still a ways away from being an NHL regular and pretty far from being a guy that Knoblauch is comfortable with throwing over the boards in a playoff game.
 

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