Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[VeteranPresence]

You say decent and then you toss out those guys. Lol
Back away from the stats a little and watch these guys.

There's a raft of statistical evidence that paints Talbot and Quick as being better than Skinner this year. No it probably won't last and no neither is a long-term solution, but they don't need to be. We just need something better than Stu is giving us right now so we can pick up wins in the regular season that translate into home ice advantage, rather than pissing away points and making the road to the Cup even harder all around. Maybe Stu figures it out and stops being such a damn rollercoaster, but today he isn't reliable and today is what matters.

 

[FlameChampion]

He took long in the tooth to be as athletic as he was when he was much younger. That said the Oilers play good defense overall, so that might help, but I would look elsewhere. Connor Ingram (when he's healthy) or one of Talbot or Lyon from Detroit, though Dadbot is a bit much at $2.5M on the cap

I’d rather take a run at Vejmelka over Ingram. Besides him or Blackwood (who is gone now) I am not sure who could be targeted. Unsure if Buffalo would move UPL.

 

[Yuke]

There's a raft of statistical evidence that paints Talbot and Quick as being better than Skinner this year. No it probably won't last and no neither is a long-term solution, but they don't need to be. We just need something better than Stu is giving us right now so we can pick up wins in the regular season that translate into home ice advantage, rather than pissing away points and making the road to the Cup even harder all around. Maybe Stu figures it out and stops being such a damn rollercoaster, but today he isn't reliable and today is what matters.

Watch them play, look at their history and why they have been let go from their former team(s).
Stats are only good for those who use both stats and watching them play. Using stats alone is lazy and inaccurate.

 

[FlameChampion]

Team needs to fix:

1) Goaltending
2) Middle 6
3) RD

Its like nothing ever changes with this team. Team can never fill any holes and never have any cap. But I am sure management, Stauffer and other media will be banging the defense drum all the way to the deadline. And when they get a 4/5 LD who has the potential to maybe play the right side, we will be “fixed”.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

People need to realize that yes a goalie would be nice, It's not happening.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Connor Brown is having a great season while playing with mostly junk on his line for 12 minutes a night. I wonder how he will look when Kane is back (If Kane plays third line)

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Team needs to fix:

1) Goaltending
2) Middle 6
3) RD

Its like nothing ever changes with this team. Team can never fill any holes and never have any cap. But I am sure management, Stauffer and other media will be banging the defense drum all the way to the deadline. And when they get a 4/5 LD who has the potential to maybe play the right side, we will be “fixed”.

1 more good forward that can let Nuge be a 3c and the whole forward group would fall into place.

Basically we need what Skinner was brought here to be.

 

[soothsayer]

Some people are able to look at numbers like SV% and W%, look at them in context, and then understand why a better goalie might not have the same numbers as the worse goalie. In this case, it isn't even that hard to figure out. Unfortunately, you don't seem to be one of them.

Let me help you out. Look at Skinner's game logs, and take a moment to think about the frequency he plays, the quality of opponent, the amount of shots he faces, and the distribution of quality starts (hint - he's been on a run of good play for over a month now).

Stuart Skinner Stats And News

Conversely, look at Pickard's game logs and take a moment to think about the frequency he plays, the quality of opponents, the amount of shots he faces, and the distribution of quality starts.

Calvin Pickard Stats And News

A few moments of critical thought beyond "hIs SAvE% iS hIGeR!" might help you come to the obvious conclusion that Skinner is playing better hockey than Pickard and it isn't even close.

Okay genius; you're clearly someone who thinks they are much more clever than they actually are. Use your big brain and look at all the backups who have better SV %, GAA, and win % than the starter, and then tell me which one is obviously, clear as day, not outplaying the starter. Or is it just Pickard, due to the specialness of his context, who is obviously playing worse than his starter?

Backups can outplay the starter, and it's at least arguable that Pickard has been the better goalie so far.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Watch them play, look at their history and why they have been let go from their former team(s).
Stats are only good for those who use both stats and watching them play. Using stats alone is lazy and inaccurate.

We can use the eye test sure, but Skinner fails that too... unless you love him wandering out of the net to make stupid plays with the puck and/or back up into his net to leave gaping holes around the shoulders that NHL shooters can victimize from the goal line. He's fundamentally a very flawed goaltender while Quick and Talbot have each made it to their 37th birthdays in this league by being at least technically competent. There's no comparison.

 

[alphahelix]

And Skinner lost to Columbus, who has 1 more win than Anaheim. The Oilers played like hot garbage last night through the lineup. And they had 10 shots near the end of the second period.

Almost like the oilers playing like hot garbage is correlated to goalies losing

 

[K1984]

Okay genius; you're clearly someone who thinks they are much more clever than they actually are. Use your big brain and look at all the backups who have better SV %, GAA, and win % than the starter, and then tell me which one is obviously, clear as day, not outplaying the starter. Or is it just Pickard, due to the specialness of his context, who is obviously playing worse than his starter?

Backups can outplay the starter, and it's at least arguable that Pickard has been the better goalie so far.

And you've yet to even make one other than "duuuh his save % is higher."

Clearly you're struggling to just click on the links I sent to see the answer right in front of you, so let me help you out even more. Which of these goalies do you think has been playing better?

 

[FlameChampion]

JP on waivers lol

 

[soothsayer]

And you've yet to even make one other than "duuuh his save % is higher."

Clearly you're struggling to just click on the links I sent to see the answer right in front of you, so let me help you out even more. Which of these goalies do you think has been playing better?

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Literally, several times, I said his SV %, his GAA, and his win % are all higher. And even then, all I said was that Pickard has arguably been better than Skinner.

There are some Skinner homers on this board, but you take the prize.

 

[Oilhawks]

JP on waivers lol

Back in Finland next year

 

[McTonyBrar]

JP on waivers. Yawn

 

[K1984]

Literally, several times, I said his SV %, his GAA, and his win % are all higher. And even then, all I said was that Pickard has arguably been better than Skinner.

There are some Skinner homers on this board, but you take the prize.

Except he hasn't been.

I don't even like Skinner and think that a backup we can shift to if we need it might be the #1 item that we need to get. I'm just not delusional enough to think that Pickard is anywhere in the same stratosphere as Skinner.

"Pickard's save % is 0.004 better despite playing 11 less games against obviously worse opponents, but he's arguably better!"

Just absurd. Pickard hasn't had a run of the last 10 games Skinner has in his life.

 

[soothsayer]

Except he hasn't been.

I don't even like Skinner and think that a backup we can shift to if we need it might be the #1 item that we need to get. I'm just not delusional enough to think that Pickard is anywhere in the same stratosphere as Skinner.

"Pickard's save % is 0.004 better despite playing 11 less games against obviously worse opponents, but he's arguably better!"

Just absurd. Pickard hasn't had a run of the last 10 games Skinner has in his life.

Again, because this seems to be hard for you: better SV %, better GAA, better win %.

 

[FlameChampion]

Back in Finland next year

He seemed to be doing ok on the Penguins from a stat point of view. But the Penguins are a mess at this point. I'd be surprised if he doesnt get claimed though. But yeah I could see him going back next year if he doesnt get claimed.

 

[Yuke]

We can use the eye test sure, but Skinner fails that too... unless you love him wandering out of the net to make stupid plays with the puck and/or back up into his net to leave gaping holes around the shoulders that NHL shooters can victimize from the goal line. He's fundamentally a very flawed goaltender while Quick and Talbot have each made it to their 37th birthdays in this league by being at least technically competent. There's no comparison.

Talbot is like a cheap cooker. Passed along and only employed when there is no one else. Now thatQuick was relieved of his duties on the Kings and look how bad their goaltending has been.
- of course I didn't mean cooker

 

[K1984]

Again, because this seems to be hard for you: better SV %, better GAA, better win %.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about, are playing deaf, dumb, and blind to anything that contradicts your dumb take, and seem to have difficulty acknowledging or understanding any context whatsoever behind those statistics.

 

[soothsayer]

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about, are playing deaf, dumb, and blind to anything that contradicts your dumb take, and seem to have difficulty acknowledging or understanding any context whatsoever behind those statistics.

You haven't proven anything that justifies your self-satisfied arrogance. Moving on.

 

[K1984]

You haven't proven anything that justifies your self-satisfied arrogance. Moving on.

I have repeatedly, you're just too obtuse or unwilling to look at it.

 

[FlameChampion]

People need to realize that yes a goalie would be nice, It's not happening.

Yep. Its not happening. Even if a goalie was brough in, it would be to replace Pickard. They arent going to bring in anyone to challenge Skinner. The organization and the media treat him like hes Sorokin or something.

 

[Yuke]

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about, are playing deaf, dumb, and blind to anything that contradicts your dumb take, and seem to have difficulty acknowledging or understanding any context whatsoever behind those statistics.

I guess if you play a u13 team and good stats you are a better player than Skinner

 

[K1984]

Yep. Its not happening. Even if a goalie was brough in, it would be to replace Pickard. They arent going to bring in anyone to challenge Skinner. The organization and the media treat him like hes Sorokin or something.

Strangely, Pickard cratering might be the best thing that can happen to this team.

An obvious Skinner replacement likely isn't in the cards for a lot of reasons, but currently Pickard is playing more than fine enough if you think a pure backup goalie is all that is needed (likely management's take). Pickard probably needs to play not well enough to hold the backup position for a change to be made. Skinner's play probably won't factor into the decision unless he gets really bad.