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[CupofOil]

Cale Makar.

Colorado is actually built strikingly similar

#1 pick superstar - MacKinnon, McDavid
elite #2 picked in the top 10 - Rantanen, Draisaitl
#1 Dman picked in the top 10 - Makar, Bouchard
#1 and #2 picks from the 2011 draft - Landeskog, RNH
Big Dman acquisition by trade - Toews, Ekholm
Support forward acquisition - Lehkonen, Hyman
Playing a bit of moneyball with the goaltending and added a bad contract - Keumper, Skinner and Georgiev, Campbell

The biggest difference, besides a little more luck which is usually the difference between Cup winners and Cup runner-ups, is that the Avs had a little more depth up front (Kadri was probably the decider between the teams) and on defense on that 2022 team but besides that they were built very similarly.
I think this Oilers team can compare favorably with that Avs team with the depth up front now and with a Dman acquisition at the deadline.

Another similarity is that neither team drafted that great outside the 1st round.
Unfortunately the Oilers have that Avs head scout now. We'll see how that goes

 

[CupofOil]

Cups are the only thing that matter, but Vegas is a great example too- they saw goaltending was a need and went out and acquired Hill. We're still trying to polish the turd that is Skinner three years later. We can learn from the teams who win things in this league, but our management team seems incapable of that.

The Avs won a Cup with an average goalie or at least a goalie that was average during the Cup run I should say.

As I illustrated above, the teams are actually built quite similarly.

 

[OilerTyler]

The Avs won a Cup with an average goalie.

The Oilers also got good to great goaltending from Skinner in rounds three and four last year. He played well enough for us to win but our offence took three games to get going in the finals and then disappeared again in game seven.

Not sure how anyone watched the finals and came out with the conclusion that goaltending is where we needed to improve if we wanted to win that series.

 

[TheNumber4]

Skinner is .923 his last 9 games.

Blackwood is .920 his last 9 games.

Picard is .914 in that same time span.

I really don’t think a “panic” goaltending move is happening any time soon, just like last year.

Our goalies perform just fine when the Team is playing well. GMs just don’t make moves to address non-issues.

 

[TB12]

Skinner is .923 his last 9 games.

Blackwood is .920 his last 9 games.

Picard is .914 in that same time span.

I really don’t think a “panic” goaltending move is happening any time soon, just like last year.

Our goalies perform just fine when the Team is playing well. GMs just don’t make moves to address non-issues.

It's not a non issue. It's nice that he's playing well now but Stu's cold streaks are well documented and can crater an entire series, thus a chance at a Cup. This is the EXACT time to make a move, when he is playing well, so that the team isn't desperate and bent over a barrel.

He needs a guy he can tandem with. The team clearly doesn't feel Pickard is that guy.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

The Avs won a Cup with an average goalie or at least a goalie that was average during the Cup run I should say.

As I illustrated above, the teams are actually built quite similarly.

The avs also won a cup with Mackinnon making half of what he should've because he wasnt good when he signed his extension.

 

[TheNumber4]

It's not a non issue. It's nice that he's playing well now but Stu's cold streaks are well documented and can crater an entire series, thus a chance at a Cup. This is the EXACT time to make a move, when he is playing well, so that the team isn't desperate and bent over a barrel.

He needs a guy he can tandem with. The team clearly doesn't feel Pickard is that guy.

We still won despite his cold streak which lasted 2-3 bad games was it?

Skinner has also shown he can bounce back from bad games and bad stretches. I think the frequency of that happening is increasing, not decreasing too. So more confidence in him will come from that.

How has the team shown they think Picard isn’t the guy? They’ve given him the backup role and all the games that come with it. And have already gone into a Cup or Bust playoff run with him.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

We still won despite his cold streak which last 2-3 bad games was it?

How has the team shown they think Picard isn’t the guy? They’ve given him the backup role and all the games that come with it. And have already gone into a Cup or Bust playoff run with him.

Because even when Skinner is playing like shit, which he was the first 20 games of the year, they didnt use Pickard like a 1B.

 

[AM]

Romanov would be a great target and a long term replacement for Ekholm but I think it’s highly unlikely the Isles move him. I’d also have some degree of concern about giving up a ton of assets for a guy from Moscow who’s live in New York for the last 3 years, you wonder how open that kinda guy would be to staying long term in Edmonton.

Depends if he wants to win.

 

[K1984]

The avs also won a cup with Mackinnon making half of what he should've because he wasnt good when he signed his extension.

Sounds like Draisaitl.

 

[AM]

pfft. Edmonton is a massive upgrade on Moscow. Besides once we become the 51st state and climate change keeps doing its thing, Edmonton is going to be a tourist destination!


Weird? Or maybe you’re onto something….

Dibs on the beach.

 

[AM]

Sure has worked out for them kicked out of playoffs by expansion team kicked out handedly by Dallas last season and are now a bubble team.

They are waiting for the right timing.

 

[Soundwave]

Skinner is .923 his last 9 games.

Blackwood is .920 his last 9 games.

Picard is .914 in that same time span.

I really don’t think a “panic” goaltending move is happening any time soon, just like last year.

Our goalies perform just fine when the Team is playing well. GMs just don’t make moves to address non-issues.

And Skinner has long stretches where he sucks balls.

The team doesn't do anything either way because they're lazy, teams like the Avs at least try different things there.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

What are you talking about? Dostal's rookie season was only slightly better than Gibson (is that supposed to support your point?) and the year Dostal was .902, Gibson was 0.888.

And why are you pretending that Stolarz didn't significantly outperform Gibson in his time here? Why are you cherry picking the 19 game stretch where he *checks notes* put up the same numbers as Gibson (again is that supposed to support your point that Stolarz's worst stretch was as bad as Gibson's year?)

If your point is that Gibson's backups matched Gibson's SV% when they were at their worst, I think we're arguing the same point.

Lol what are you yapping about. You're the one that said Gibson sucked in Anaheim while other goalies in Anaheim didn't and I just provided you with the information that they sucked slightly less but still sucked non the less. Lol apparently 19 games isn't long enough in a season to decide whether or not .888 sv percentage is considered bad. I'm not even advocating for Gibson but as usual your posts remains stupid.

 

[Soundwave]

Sounds like Draisaitl.

Difference is Sakic invested that money into creating one of the deepest teams in the cap era.

The Oilers don't have that level of a roster in part because players like Nurse are overpaid, dead cap is sunk into Brown, they paid a bunch of money to Arvidsson/Skinner/Henrique, etc. etc.

MacK, Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Lehoknen, Nichushkin, Burakovsky, Compher upfront, Makar, Toews, Manson, Byram, Girard, on the back end and he still spent a 1st to get Kuemper, it just turned out the team was so good they really didn't even need the goalie, but it's not like he decided to be lazy there either.

Lol what are you yapping about. You're the one that said Gibson sucked in Anaheim while other goalies in Anaheim didn't and I just provided you with the information that they sucked slightly less but still sucked non the less. Lol apparently 19 games isn't long enough in a season to decide whether or not .888 sv percentage is considered bad. I'm not even advocating for Gibson but as usual your posts remains stupid.

Gibson has been beaten down by being on a shit team for years, let's see what Dostal's numbers are if you forced him to be there for another 5-6 years and they remained a bottom 10 team every year. That takes a toll on a goalie to never have a good team in front of him.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I'm scared shit less that these guys here will extend skinner to what Blackwood makes or more lol. Stuart has been hot and still at 895

Hopefully not. Avs are not used to seeing good goaltending and got excited.

914% is impressive this year. Well above the average

 

[Jarvi]

Seems like an incredibly risky extension to me. Why the rush? I don’t think thats smart management.

Didn't they lose Kuemper to a big offer in FA after they won the cup? Seems like their GM likes Blackwood, and rather than risk watching his value explode on the first good team he's ever been on and watching him leave, leaving the Avs in the same mess as they were before, they decided to lock him up before he can prove he deserves more.

And I mean, with goalies pulling in 8+ million easily, having one in his prime locked up for 5.25 is pretty good.

Yeah, there is a risk if he falters. But I think he is the real deal and within a couple years people will say it's a good contract.

 

[McTonyBrar]

lol it’s hilarious. Blackwood signs a deal after 9 games and it’s a good deal. Skinner has a great streak after 9 games and we have to replace him with a better goalie.

Like what?

Sure Skinner had a bad streak to start the year. But didn’t he last year as well? And didn’t he get up to this level this year too? Isn’t he still a young goalie and doesn’t he have time to get better?

Damn guys. People are underrating Skinner like crazy. I admit I have heavily as well. Maybe we should pull the curtains away

 

[Tobias Kahun]

And Skinner has long stretches where he sucks balls.

The team doesn't do anything either way because they're lazy, teams like the Avs at least try different things there.

The Oilers tried to sign a goalie with a better track record than Blackwood to a 5x5 contract.

Worked real good for us.

 

[TheNumber4]

Because even when Skinner is playing like shit, which he was the first 20 games of the year, they didnt use Pickard like a 1B.

It was more like the first 10 games of the year. A stretch where Pickard himself had 3 sub .900 performances behind a team who was playing like shit.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

lol it’s hilarious. Blackwood signs a deal after 9 games and it’s a good deal. Skinner has a great streak after 9 games and we have to replace him with a better goalie.

Like what?

Sure Skinner had a bad streak to start the year. But didn’t he last year as well? And didn’t he get up to this level this year too? Isn’t he still a young goalie and doesn’t he have time to get better?

Damn guys. People are underrating Skinner like crazy. I admit I have heavily as well. Maybe we should pull the curtains away

Skinner also had a real bad playoffs.

I think people want to replace Picard with a goalie like Blackwood to run with Skinner, not replace Skinner with Blackwood.

When Skinner is playing well and confident, it looks like hes wearing velcro with how the pucks stick to him, but when hes not playing like that, he looks like a guy who's never worn skates before.

It was more like the first 10 games of the year. A stretch where Pickard himself had 3 sub .900 performances behind a team who was playing like shit.

I dont disagree with the staff.

Theres a reason Picard gets as many as starts as possible.

I like what Picard is done, but he really should be in the AHL with Rodrigue.

 

[TheNumber4]

And Skinner has long stretches where he sucks balls.

The team doesn't do anything either way because they're lazy, teams like the Avs at least try different things there.

Skinner’s had a story of 2 seasons. First half he was like -8 GSAx. With about -6 of that -8 the result of 2 horrendous games. Second half of season he’s like +2 GSAx.

Georgiev was worse over a longer stretch and with zero reason to think he would rebound. Plus getting rid of his 5M was a benefit in itself. Avs made that decision under different circumstances than the Oilers, who had reason to beleive Skinner would bounce back. And he has. And for a cap hit that wasn’t crippling like Georgievs.

 

[Tarus]

Georgiev must have really traumatized the Aves if they're willing to re-up with the perennially injured Blackwood after only 4 games

 

[Cloned]

Gonna be funny when Blackwood puts up a .885 next season.

 

[Canovin]

Don't tell me you guys are serious about giving Stuart 5.25M avv? lol

This guy is putting up worse # than our backup