Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[belair]

That's also why I'm not huge on Romanov. I believe it is more important for Nurse that the D we get is the right type of Dman, rather than the best overall quality.

I like Savard. He would be a great target for a team who has a different partner than Nurse to get help for.

Imo the type should not just play the right side. They should shoot right as well. That's the issue we had with Kulak and Broberg there. Having those smart, smooth skating Dmen helped a ton, but when competition is most fierce, there are precious milliseconds lost with those left shot players to seal up the right boards.

Stecher actually is the right type. The only issue is that he isn't a top 4D. That's why Knoblauch always goes back to Kulak there, sharing the spot with Stecher.

The right shot version of Kulak is the target. We can look at D better than that, like Andersson maybe, but I just don't see it happening anymore. I also think it isn't needed. Get a right shot D, affordable with term if possible, and Nurse will play like a $9 million player and carry the pairing enough to win a cup.

I think that targeting a guy like Savard would be shortsighted and would leave you with a player who likely gets used less than Kulak whose shown his ability to step into the larger role this season.

The reason that there's a discussion about a left shot defenseman this year is because that's where the quality market is. It's also the position of greater organizational need. And preferably the Oilers would like to add players with term instead of wasting limited assets targeting rental players.

I understand that Romanov is a player that likely isn't even on the market. But stranger things have happened. And he's a player that fits the mold the Oilers are seeking. Even Provorov makes more sense than Savard to me considering age, role and cap hit.

 

[VeteranPresence]

The Avs: Have strong pro scouting, are proactive and will part with futures even above what others perceive as "market value" to address their biggest needs. Willing to try new and different players when it's clear the current ones are not delivering. Have a Cup since McDavid was drafted.

The Oilers: None of the above.

Gee, what could be the difference here?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

With Skinner it feels like there’s a bit of a reprogramming going on, he’s playing in the bottom 6 because they want him spending alot of time in the defensive zone and learning what he’s supposed to be doing. My guess is he’ll find his way back into the top 6 at some point and we’ll see his scoring pick up but the staff needs to know they can trust him. I could see them exploring a trade if they can find a deal Skinner agrees would be a better fit but I don’t think that’s going to happen until closer to the deadline if it does.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

The Avs: Have strong pro scouting, are proactive and will part with futures even above what others perceive as "market value" to address their biggest needs. Willing to try new and different players when it's clear the current ones are not delivering. Have a Cup since McDavid was drafted.

The Oilers: None of the above.

Gee, what could be the difference here?

Sure has worked out for them kicked out of playoffs by expansion team kicked out handedly by Dallas last season and are now a bubble team.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

The Avs: Have strong pro scouting, are proactive and will part with futures even above what others perceive as "market value" to address their biggest needs. Willing to try new and different players when it's clear the current ones are not delivering. Have a Cup since McDavid was drafted.

The Oilers: None of the above.

Gee, what could be the difference here?

yeah, the "pro scouting" of Georgiev really helped them the last couple of years

 

[alphahelix]

i say bring back gagner do the right thing let the hockey gods in to your organization

 

[McJadeddog]

With Skinner it feels like there’s a bit of a reprogramming going on, he’s playing in the bottom 6 because they want him spending alot of time in the defensive zone and learning what he’s supposed to be doing. My guess is he’ll find his way back into the top 6 at some point and we’ll see his scoring pick up but the staff needs to know they can trust him. I could see them exploring a trade if they can find a deal Skinner agrees would be a better fit but I don’t think that’s going to happen until closer to the deadline if it does.

This is the big thing, as Skinner has full NMC. Skinner came to the Oilers for "guaranteed playoffs", so unless the team we are trading him to is also a playoffs team (which is doubtful at the deadline), any trade we are able to find is likely dead in the water.

 

[Mr Positive]

I think that targeting a guy like Savard would be shortsighted and would leave you with a player who likely gets used less than Kulak whose shown his ability to step into the larger role this season.

The reason that there's a discussion about a left shot defenseman this year is because that's where the quality market is. It's also the position of greater organizational need. And preferably the Oilers would like to add players with term instead of wasting limited assets targeting rental players.

I understand that Romanov is a player that likely isn't even on the market. But stranger things have happened. And he's a player that fits the mold the Oilers are seeking. Even Provorov makes more sense than Savard to me considering age, role and cap hit.

I do see that point. Maybe we could have a left shot D, but imo a right shot D who is a bit worse would do better overall.

I don't think there are D who truly play both sides. I could be wrong, but remember that our standard is ridiculously high. A left shot D like Kulak or a lesser talent like Stecher are totally fine for the duldrums of the season.

In the playoffs, when we play against nothing but great teams and they are laser focused on every weak point on the team, they will find holes against a D on their off side

 

[VeteranPresence]

Sure has worked out for them kicked out of playoffs by expansion team kicked out handedly by Dallas last season and are now a bubble team.

I mean we can make fun of them all we want but they have a Cup and we don't, correct?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

The Avs: Have strong pro scouting, are proactive and will part with futures even above what others perceive as "market value" to address their biggest needs. Willing to try new and different players when it's clear the current ones are not delivering. Have a Cup since McDavid was drafted.

The Oilers: None of the above.

Gee, what could be the difference here?

Cale Makar.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I mean we can make fun of them all we want but they have a Cup and we don't, correct?

They're far from the only team that has a cup since we drafted McDavid. Florida, Tampa and Vegas have all had more team success than they have.

 

[K1984]

The Avs: Have strong pro scouting, are proactive and will part with futures even above what others perceive as "market value" to address their biggest needs. Willing to try new and different players when it's clear the current ones are not delivering. Have a Cup since McDavid was drafted.

The Oilers: None of the above.

Gee, what could be the difference here?

The Avs: signed a career backup mostly around or sub.900 goalie to a large extension that has been there all of a week.

Just because other teams do something doesn’t mean it’s automatically amazing. Just doing something isn’t necessarily good. Skinner has a better career track record than Blackwood, but we have to pretend otherwise just because another team traded for him.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Wow I just saw the Blackwood extension. If he does well then it's a good bet. If he doesn't then he becomes their Campbell.

 

[K1984]

Wow I just saw the Blackwood extension. If he does well then it's a good bet. If he doesn't then he becomes their Campbell.

But another team did it so automatically smart and Oilers automatically stupid.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

But another team did it so automatically smart and Oilers automatically stupid.

It remains to be seen. My initial thought is that it is an overpay and I was one of the guys saying that we should target him.

 

[K1984]

It remains to be seen. My initial thought is that it is an overpay and I was one of the guys saying that we should target him.

Signing any unfamiliar goalie to a big extension, especially one that’s been a backup their whole life and not started a single playoff game, is dumb.

Signing any goalie to a big ticket that you don’t know is just dumb. Playing Russian roulette with your team and salary structure.

 

[VeteranPresence]

They're far from the only team that has a cup since we drafted McDavid. Florida, Tampa and Vegas have all had more team success than they have.

Cups are the only thing that matter, but Vegas is a great example too- they saw goaltending was a need and went out and acquired Hill. We're still trying to polish the turd that is Skinner three years later. We can learn from the teams who win things in this league, but our management team seems incapable of that.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

But another team did it so automatically smart and Oilers automatically stupid.

That poster also thinks when you dont sign a coach to a new contract and their current contract runs out, you're firing them.

Cups are the only thing that matter, but Vegas is a great example too- they saw goaltending was a need and went out and acquired Hill. We're still trying to polish the turd that is Skinner three years later. We can learn from the teams who win things in this league, but our management team seems incapable of that.

You mean they traded for the 3rd best goalie on San Jose when they acquired hill? and the only reason he got any games was the rest of the goalies got injured.

It wasn't some genius move to put them over the top.

Vegas could trade Eichel for a 7th round pick and you'd complain that they're more proactive than us.

The best trade either Colorado or Edmonton have made was when Edmonton acquired Ekholm.

Except you dont think Edmonton has gone out to address their needs.

 

[K1984]

Cups are the only thing that matter, but Vegas is a great example too- they saw goaltending was a need and went out and acquired Hill. We're still trying to polish the turd that is Skinner three years later. We can learn from the teams who win things in this league, but our management team seems incapable of that.

They had so much brilliant foresight with Hill that they acquired him, played him as 3rd string, spent assets and acquired another goalie at the deadline, then didn’t play him at all until two other goalies went down.

Wasn’t anything to do with luck. They were so brilliant and saw it the whole way. Obviously knew Hill would be the answer from the start. Playing him 3rd string was the plan all along.

 

[FlameChampion]

Seems like an incredibly risky extension to me. Why the rush? I don’t think thats smart management.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Dostals last two season before this year .902 .901 lol at acting like his numbers before this year were that much better than Gibson's. Stolarz whose having a good year also put up .899 in his last season with Anaheim. I mean when you just blatantly ignore the actual numbers yes Gibson is the only one that sucked behind that team.

What are you talking about? Dostal's rookie season was only slightly better than Gibson (is that supposed to support your point?) and the year Dostal was .902, Gibson was 0.888.

And why are you pretending that Stolarz didn't significantly outperform Gibson in his time here? Why are you cherry picking the 19 game stretch where he *checks notes* put up the same numbers as Gibson (again is that supposed to support your point that Stolarz's worst stretch was as bad as Gibson's year?)

If your point is that Gibson's backups matched Gibson's SV% when they were at their worst, I think we're arguing the same point.

 

[VeteranPresence]

You mean they traded for the 3rd best goalie on San Jose when they acquired hill? and the only reason he got any games was the rest of the goalies got injured.

It wasn't some genius move to put them over the top.

Vegas could trade Eichel for a 7th round pick and you'd complain that they're more proactive than us.

The best trade either Colorado or Edmonton have made was when Edmonton acquired Ekholm.

Except you dont think Edmonton has gone out to address their needs.

They had so much brilliant foresight with Hill that they acquired him, played him as 3rd string, spent assets and acquired another goalie at the deadline, then didn’t play him at all until two other goalies went down.

Wasn’t anything to do with luck. They were so brilliant and saw it the whole way. Obviously knew Hill would be the answer from the start. Playing him 3rd string was the plan all along.

If you guys don't wish to learn anything from the teams who have won Cups in this league and just want to stomp your feet shouting that it's all luck, then we as fans deserve to not win anything. Fortunately (for you anyway) it seems JJ and Bowman share the same philosophy, so we'll just run out the clock on McDrai's primes waiting for Skinner to turn into a carriage I guess. It's extremely depressing for the rest of us who want a championship but we're the only ones to blame.

 

[K1984]

Seems like an incredibly risky extension to me. Why the rush? I don’t think thats smart management.

They probably saw the ridiculous and dumb extensions being handed out to goalies and figured it’s better to roll the dice at $5 than risk having to pay $7+ if he plays well the rest of the year.

It’s getting to the point where almost any goalie contract is bad. The long term deals for the middle of the road guys seem to always turn out bad.

If you guys don't wish to learn anything from the teams who have won Cups in this league and just want to stomp your feet shouting that it's all luck, then we as fans deserve to not win anything. Fortunately (for you anyway) it seems JJ and Bowman share the same philosophy, so we'll just run out the clock on McDrai's primes waiting for Skinner to turn into a carriage I guess. It's extremely depressing for the rest of us who want a championship but we're the only ones to blame.

Would have been better if we traded for Blackwood then rushed to sign him to that extension.

For sure. All while folks around here still moan about the Campbell deal.

The fact that Skinner objectively has a better track record than Blackwood in almost every single respect? Forget that, another team did something so they must automatically be smart and Oilers automatically stupid.

 

[TheNumber4]

So many goalies these past few years, drop off the face of the Earth right after long term extension.

There’s no guarantee Blackwood isn’t the next Campbell, Husso, Kuemper, Ingram, Georgiev, Petersen, etc.

I for one hope for his and the Avs failure.

 

[K1984]

So many goalies these past few years, drop off the face of the Earth right after long term extension.

There’s no guarantee Blackwood isn’t the next Campbell, Husso, Kuemper, Ingram, Georgiev, Petersen, etc.

I for one hope for his and the Avs failure.

The dichotomy with goalies seems to either be sign a mediocre one to a big deal and get burned, or sign an elite one to a deal with a massive AAV that blows a hole in your cap structure (and these are often generally mediocre as a baseline anyways, they just don’t crater).