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[TheNumber4]

I wonder if the rumours are true the oilers have made a hard pitch to get Matthieson out of Montreal?

Was this Bob mentioning we are interested in him? Or did another rumor came out that’s more concrete than that?

 

[timekeep]

Start with the 1st and Akey, who just made team Canada and who I would argue is a better prospect than Reid Schafer was when he was traded. Remember, too, the Oilers sent Barrie back in the Ekholm trade at full cost.

Do we have a first this year? Really we don't have much more to offfer, maybe Savoy as well. Unless we are adding Nuge or someone else I don't think we have much to offer. I wasn't that high on Schaeffer either.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

From the outset I questioned whether J Skinner really wanted to be part of a contending team and the effort that all involves. Words are cheap and easy. He hasn't shown the resolve at any point.

For me it’s not necessarily resolve but more his ingrained style of play. Often cutting tomahawks whilst carrying the puck on the outside that wont catch many of the younger mobile defence men of todays era and shot volume from distance his play style just doesn’t mesh with our top 2 ultra elite centers.

I thought he might show some success on L3 with Henrique and Brown or Janmark but this is more of a forechecking line which is not in his toolbox.

Perhaps when Kane returns a line of Kane Henrique Skinner might work. However until Kapanen and or Podkolzin cease being L2 options with 29 his fate seems sealed on L4 as he can’t even break into the top 9 as an injury replacement right now.

 

[Shanahanigans]

This is completely made up in my head but I'm salivating at what the combo of Jake Evans and Joel Armia can do for our bottom 6. Defensively responsible, Evans is a fast, hard and responsible right shot C, both are really good on the PK and at even strength. It could be like the Lekhonen trade for Colorado a couple of years ago. I think Jake Evans is one of the more underrated players in the league, and his true value would be immediately evident on a contender ala Lekhonen.

 

[McDNicks17]

This is completely made up in my head but I'm salivating at what the combo of Jake Evans and Joel Armia can do for our bottom 6. Defensively responsible, Evans is a fast, hard and responsible right shot C, both are really good on the PK and at even strength. It could be like the Lekhonen trade for Colorado a couple of years ago. I think Jake Evans is one of the more underrated players in the league, and his true value would be immediately evident on a contender ala Lekhonen.

I'd be steering clear of a guy with a 21.7 SH% and 13.4% onSH.

 

[Fourier]

Beg to disagree on this one. We were talking circa late 90's when the Oilers were going broke and the sens had a new arena in 96 and were in a different category. I've done commuter rail between the cities lots of times and Via was dirt cheap on various passes. From Montreal 2hrs and a couple ciders in relaxing comfy seats and you're in Ottawa. Why would anybody drive. Same with Toronto to Ottawa just longer. Also travelled from Ottawa to Quebec City, Quebec City to montreal etc. At the time frame i'm talking Via commuting was pretty solid.

Just an aside but I even got to attend Le Colisee, The Montreal Forum, and Maple Leaf Gardens to watch games there. Was kind of a quest to do that. The old arenas are what I love. I don't even like the new ones. I was born for those old arenas. Hey, in one weekend we attended a Leafs game and a Habs game. Its not hard. That said when you're used to going across the country on rail which takes several days a few hours in commuting here and there is nothing. Trains are so enjoyable.

As for Edmonton Calgary there is zero commuter rail, busses are an awful option, and sections of mountain influenced Highway 2 can get quite interesting in winter. 2 areas that can be influenced just north of Calgary along foothills and in the stormtrack region around Red Deer that is influenced by weather traversing general David Thompson area and pass. The worst weather and storms I've ever been in in my life, summer or winter, are in those areas. Once had a snow/thunderstorm freak show weather pattern with hail and reported tornados all in one trip from Lake Louise back home to Edmonton via David Thompson. When storms hit through that region they are monsters. Basically every winter theres a Highway 2 shitstorm with hundreds of accidents and hundreds more in the ditch and even with people having snow tires. Be thankful if you haven't been in one.

I lived in Kingston for two years without a car. I also commuted to both TO and Ottawa regularly. What you are describing is casual travel not commuting. Via from Toronto to Ottawa is a complete crapshoot at the best of times, but it is definitely not a viable option for going to games regularly. The average trip is about 4 1/2 hours but it can easily be 6 with any bad luck. (This is roughly how long it takes to drive if the weather is decent.) No one is going to do this to go to a hockey game on any regular basis.

I understand that Highway 2 can be bad at times especially around Red Deer but nothing like the roads between Toronto and Ottawa on any regular basis. Snow squalls and freezing rain are far more common than really bad weather between Edmonton and Calgary. (I don't think the David Thompson is a natural route to take to go to a hockey game). Plus you need to deal with getting out of Toronto. The traffic until the other side of Oshawa is far worse than anything you will ever see on the QE2. If the weather is acting up at all the 401 becomes a parking lot.

The other issue you have is that the Leafs dominate Ontario hockey until you get to at least Kingston and then you are starting to get to Hab's territory. Montreal is even worse. They only care about the Habs period!!!!! When I was in Kingston no one I knew really cared about the Sens. If they were going to make a trek to see hockey they were either heading to Toronto or to Montreal.

For me it’s not necessarily resolve but more his ingrained style of play. Often cutting tomahawks whilst carrying the puck on the outside that wont catch many of the younger mobile defence men of todays era and shot volume from distance his play style just doesn’t mesh with our top 2 ultra elite centers.

I thought he might show some success on L3 with Henrique and Brown or Janmark but this is more of a forechecking line which is not in his toolbox.

Perhaps when Kane returns a line of Kane Henrique Skinner might work. However until Kapanen and or Podkolzin cease being L2 options with 29 his fate seems sealed on L4 as he can’t even break into the top 9 as an injury replacement right now.

His shot pattern is pretty normal for a shooter. Most of his shots on goal are coming from reasnably dangerous spots.

Here is Leon by comparison:

 

[Jumptheshark]

Was this Bob mentioning we are interested in him? Or did another rumor came out that’s more concrete than that?

On line radio from out east suggested it

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Wild have Kaprizov.

They sure do. And I don't think they'll be anything more than a free pass to round 2 like they have almost every other year of their existence.

 

[belair]

I like the idea of buying low. Sissons in past years has been a more productive player when played with good players.

Having said that, he wouod be going from 4th line in Nashville to 4th line in Edmonton. I would imagine their are a lot of 4Cs available on the market that wouldn't cost as much. The problem with Sissons is his cap hit and length.

Realistically Edmonton would need Nashville to retain 50% of that contract. It doesn't make sense for Nashville to use one of their retention slots and eat 1.4M this year and next, unless we make it worth their while. We would need to give up a big enough asset for them to want to do that. We aren't giving them a 2nd for sissons. Do we give up a 3rd? IMO that's still a little rich for a guy who produces at a 7 point pace. A 4th? They don't do it for a 5th, it doesn't make sense financially.

It's always possible to get a third team involved also. Full retention would only be a bit over $1m over the next two years as his contract was frontloaded.

But just looking at it briefly, it's possible to do it at full clip and still add the defensive upgrade. It's the summer where things may get a bit dicey. I'd need our resident capologists to fact check though.

As for cost, I'd personally give up a fair bit for Sissons. Calling him a 7 point player is selling him short quite significantly. He's a better offensive player than Bjugstad was. And he'd be a primary PKer who would also be your RH faceoff ace.

Nuge - McD - Hyman
Kane - Drai - Podz
Janmark - Henrique - Brown
Skinner - Sissons - RV
Perry, Kapanen

Strategically it'd give your team four lines that don't require sheltering. They'd be an impossible team to line match. Ready to replace underperforming players or guys who go down with injury.

I just see Derek Ryan as a pretty significant weak area of our roster.

 

[McShogun99]

I was also a Kostin super booster when he came to the Oil.

I think his situation is not dissimilar to what we all experience in life. Some workplaces, social settings etc., just fit you like a glove and you have your jam in those settings. You excel, grow and develop and get better every step of the way (as opposed to situations that you feel like a square peg, dont fit in, and lose your lustre).

Kostin came in from St Louis and quickly became a bigger than life personality with teammates, fans and the media. He had swagger. The swagger reflected on the ice with his confidence in play.

Since moving on to DRW and now SJS he seems unable to reclaim that same mojo. As much as I like Klim I don’t think you can put the genie back in the bottle, coming back I doubt he would replicate the positivity his first stop had here. He made a massive mistake moving on for the short term gain. He has lost the longer term upside unfortunately.

I wish him well though.

I would sign Kostin next year to a 1 year, league minimum deal and have him earn a spot on the 4th line during preseason.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I lived in Kingston for two years without a car. I also commuted to both TO and Ottawa regularly. What you are describing is casual travel not commuting. Via from Toronto to Ottawa is a complete crapshoot at the best of times, but it is definitely not a viable option for going to games regularly. The average trip is about 4 1/2 hours but it can easily be 6 with any bad luck. (This is roughly how long it takes to drive if the weather is decent.) No one is going to do this to go to a hockey game on any regular basis.

I understand that Highway 2 can be bad at times especially around Red Deer but nothing like the roads between Toronto and Ottawa on any regular basis. Snow squalls and freezing rain are far more common than really bad weather between Edmonton and Calgary. (I don't think the David Thompson is a natural route to take to go to a hockey game). Plus you need to deal with getting out of Toronto. The traffic until the other side of Oshawa is far worse than anything you will ever see on the QE2. If the weather is acting up at all the 401 becomes a parking lot.

The other issue you have is that the Leafs dominate Ontario hockey until you get to at least Kingston and then you are starting to get to Hab's territory. Montreal is even worse. They only care about the Habs period!!!!! When I was in Kingston no one I knew really cared about the Sens. If they were going to make a trek to see hockey they were either heading to Toronto or to Montreal.

His shot pattern is pretty normal for a shooter. Most of his shots on goal are coming from reasnably dangerous spots.

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Here is Leon by comparison:
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Yeah. I wouldn't be going to a game and then travelling home the same night. The games end late. When I was down there it was usually recreational so just hit up a hotel for the night. Games end kind of late usually. Could travel in an out for an afternoon game back then. Shouldn't have used the term commuting. not what I meant.

 

[McShogun99]

Start with the 1st and Akey, who just made team Canada and who I would argue is a better prospect than Reid Schafer was when he was traded. Remember, too, the Oilers sent Barrie back in the Ekholm trade at full cost.

I’d like to keep all of Akey, O’Ryan and Savoie unless one is going back in a trade that will help us for the next 3-4 seasons like the Ekholm deal.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

At 50%, Seth Jones definitely has value, at least in GM's eyes. Big 2way RHD who's issues can be chalked up to being on a bad team. Trouba trade showed us GM's still value these guys.

Problem is a bunch of teams would be in on that guy, and for Jones it's not like he'd be waiving to play here for a year or two, it's like 4 more years. Plus, Chicago has no need for his cap. They may as well keep him until Bedards contract is up, they won't need the cash until then and maybe he improves as the team does or he is more easily moved with risen cap and only a couple years left.

Man he’d be a pretty good 2RD if he came in at 5m or less. I’d probably do 1st+Akey but with all that retention I’m not sure that would be enough for them, but that’s the max I’d spend on Jones as a player:

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I lived in Kingston for two years without a car. I also commuted to both TO and Ottawa regularly. What you are describing is casual travel not commuting. Via from Toronto to Ottawa is a complete crapshoot at the best of times, but it is definitely not a viable option for going to games regularly. The average trip is about 4 1/2 hours but it can easily be 6 with any bad luck. (This is roughly how long it takes to drive if the weather is decent.) No one is going to do this to go to a hockey game on any regular basis.

I understand that Highway 2 can be bad at times especially around Red Deer but nothing like the roads between Toronto and Ottawa on any regular basis. Snow squalls and freezing rain are far more common than really bad weather between Edmonton and Calgary. (I don't think the David Thompson is a natural route to take to go to a hockey game). Plus you need to deal with getting out of Toronto. The traffic until the other side of Oshawa is far worse than anything you will ever see on the QE2. If the weather is acting up at all the 401 becomes a parking lot.

The other issue you have is that the Leafs dominate Ontario hockey until you get to at least Kingston and then you are starting to get to Hab's territory. Montreal is even worse. They only care about the Habs period!!!!! When I was in Kingston no one I knew really cared about the Sens. If they were going to make a trek to see hockey they were either heading to Toronto or to Montreal.

His shot pattern is pretty normal for a shooter. Most of his shots on goal are coming from reasnably dangerous spots.

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Here is Leon by comparison:
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His shots are still more to the outside as he shoots from everywhere as I said. He’s a volume shooter who shoots from everywhere just like this chart shows.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

His shots are still more to the outside as he shoots from everywhere as I said. Like I said he’s a volume shooter.

Its funny reading these forums.

HFOil - SHOOT THE PUCK

Skinner shoots - NOT LIKE THAT!

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Its funny reading these forums.

HFOil - SHOOT THE PUCK

Skinner shoots - NOT LIKE THAT!

I’m just saying he’s a volume shooter. I am not complaining that he doesn’t shoot. Anyway, I’ve had enough of this forum for a year. I’ll talk to you guys next year. Have a great Christmas.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Is someone suggesting it will cost a 1st and Akey to get Matthieu Oliver? Who is a UFA after this year? He is one of the pump and dumps I was talking about earlier. He should be only playing about 12 minutes a night but BJS have increased his ice time and are playing him with better players than normal. He would not be playing top 6 minutes with the oilers

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I’m just saying he’s a volume shooter. I am not complaining that he doesn’t shoot. Anyway, I’ve had enough of this forum for a year. I’ll talk to you guys next year. Have a great Christmas.

Merry Christmas.

 

[McTonyBrar]

On line radio from out east suggested it

Oh damn. Nice. Do you have a link by any chance?

 

[Jumptheshark]

Oh damn. Nice. Do you have a link by any chance?

I was listening to one of the eastern radio stations on Iheartradio while I was working(for noise in the back) and they were running down players they expected to move and Matthieson's name came up and they mentioned that they heard Edmonton has been looking at him for awhile but money was an issue.

If the oilers are after Matthieson(which I still do not like) Kulak will need to go back the other way to help off set some of Matthiesons contract

 

[brentashton]

I was listening to one of the eastern radio stations on Iheartradio while I was working(for noise in the back) and they were running down players they expected to move and Matthieson's name came up and they mentioned that they heard Edmonton has been looking at him for awhile but money was an issue.

If the oilers are after Matthieson(which I still do not like) Kulak will need to go back the other way to help off set some of Matthiesons contract

To lose Kulak to gain Matheson isnt much of a gain.

 

[Jumptheshark]

To lose Kulak to gain Matheson isnt much of a gain.

I prefer Kulak to Matthieson. Not a fan of Matthieson

 

[Mr Positive]

I prefer Kulak to Matthieson. Not a fan of Matthieson

I prefer Matheson but it's a deal where it might turn out that Kulak is better. Regardless, I don't see us moving Kulak. The goal here is to have Kulak cement the bottom pair and play in the top 4 in case of injury. Plus hes from Edmonton. If we do lose him it would have to be for a very big upgrade.

 

[AM]

Beg to disagree on this one. We were talking circa late 90's when the Oilers were going broke and the sens had a new arena in 96 and were in a different category. I've done commuter rail between the cities lots of times and Via was dirt cheap on various passes. From Montreal 2hrs and a couple ciders in relaxing comfy seats and you're in Ottawa. Why would anybody drive. Same with Toronto to Ottawa just longer. Also travelled from Ottawa to Quebec City, Quebec City to montreal etc. At the time frame i'm talking Via commuting was pretty solid. I know it isn't reliable now.

As for Metro size the Ottawa region had about 150K more than Edmonton at the time we were discussing as I showed in the citations. Edmonton has now caught up. We weren't talking about now.

Just an aside but I even got to attend Le Colisee, The Montreal Forum, and Maple Leaf Gardens to watch games there. Was kind of a quest to do that. The old arenas are what I love. I don't even like the new ones. I was born for those old arenas. Hey, in one weekend we attended a Leafs game and a Habs game. Its not hard. That said when you're used to going across the country on rail which takes several days a few hours in commuting here and there is nothing. Trains are so enjoyable.

As for Edmonton Calgary there is zero commuter rail, busses are an awful option, and sections of mountain influenced Highway 2 can get quite interesting in winter. 2 areas that can be influenced just north of Calgary along foothills and in the stormtrack region around Red Deer that is influenced by weather traversing general David Thompson area and pass. The worst weather and storms I've ever been in in my life, summer or winter, are in those areas. Once had a snow/thunderstorm freak show weather pattern with hail and reported tornados all in one trip from Lake Louise back home to Edmonton via David Thompson. When storms hit through that region they are monsters. Basically every other winter theres a Highway 2 shitstorm with hundred accidents and hundred more in the ditch and even with people having snow tires. Be thankful if you haven't been in one. Of course its not as bad as mountain highways can get, Mt Robson area was my worst ever winter storm I went through, but highway 2 can get challenging conditions and especially with drifting snow across highway creating glare ice unseen conditions underneath. The highway is very susceptible to prevailing cross winds.

You know your roads. Commuted to Joffre one year. Just south of red deer to the inisfail hill is challenging in winter.

 

[McDoused]

I prefer Kulak to Matthieson. Not a fan of Matthieson

Why not have both?