Wow if Jiricek is really available. We should be all over that! Your right gonna cost. Nashville needs a top 4 badly as well. Vancouver needs one too. Jiricek might be a ways out from top 4 but almost a guarantee to get there.
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Philly should just dump Michkov on us. He’s clearly a bust, Torts probably can’t wait to get rid of him /s
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Soli
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I suspect I'm light, but whatever they'll take what I offer and like it.
Portzline says the Blue Jackets will carry 8 defensemen until their current road trip ends, and then two obvious choices are i) to send down Jiricek or ii) expose Harris to waivers. I hope for option i), the chaos option.
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Imo we shouldn't operate as if making the playoffs is in danger. We can make it as we are. We still need to make a move to make noise in the playoffs, but imo it's like you say in that we need that high end acquisition. Our goal now should be to set up our numbers so that our deadline will go smoother. That's when there will be more sellers and fewer buyers. Taking a chance on Fabbro would be nice but if it fails, it could cost us our 5 million of accrued space and we then miss out on a potential move for a better bet.
Stauffer keeps mentioning Ristolainen. But if Fabbro wasn't the guy, then Ristolainen isn't the guy either, even at 50%. I would have rather traded minimum assets for Fabbro than a 1st or whatever other significant assets would be required to get him at 50%. I'm a hard no on Ristolainen.
McShogun99
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I wonder what it would take to get Jiricek? He wouldn't help us much this season but it would be a potential Broberg replacement.
Imagine if STL gives Jiricek a 4.6x2 offer sheet this summer.
Kulak has been one of the most steady, reliable guys in the lineup since they got him. Every post season he plays well.
He isn't a game breaker. But he does his job well.
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Jiricek is a really interesting option but I'm not sure how much it would help us this season. He's put up numbers at the AHL level already (38 points in 55 points as a 19 year old is very impressive) but he's never really grabbed a spot at the NHL level. At the same time, he's only 20 years old and it seems silly that Columbus would even entertain giving up on him yet.
I'd be tempted to gamble on Jiricek if he comes available but I don't know if we have the assets they need. Trading the 1st rounder for O'Reilly was an interesting move but the challenge is that if we need to make a move, O'Reilly is only worth as much as another team values him (versus a 1st which has a fairly standard trade value). If they were open to a trade centering around Savoie and Jiricek I'd definitely be ringing them up.
I'd be tempted to gamble on Jiricek if he comes available but I don't know if we have the assets they need. Trading the 1st rounder for O'Reilly was an interesting move but the challenge is that if we need to make a move, O'Reilly is only worth as much as another team values him (versus a 1st which has a fairly standard trade value). If they were open to a trade centering around Savoie and Jiricek I'd definitely be ringing them up.
Kahkonen on waivers. Bowman could check two big needs off his list thanks directly/indirectly to the waiver wire this week if he claims Kahkonen and then uses the Fabbro/Jiricek situation to acquire Provorov for cheap (or cheaper than he would at the deadline).
Provorov (75%) for Stecher + Wanner + STL 2nd, EDM 3rd in 2026 to ANH to remain 50% on Provorov
Claim Kahkonen
We'd have to send Dermott down, swap Philp for Ryan and run 3 goalies with no spare skaters for a bit to accrue any cap space at all for the deadline, but it's doable. Most importantly it gives the team a true #4 defender (even if you disagree on the fit) and a goalie who won't shit his pants in regular season action. That might be enough to spark this team on a good run.
Provorov (75%) for Stecher + Wanner + STL 2nd, EDM 3rd in 2026 to ANH to remain 50% on Provorov
Claim Kahkonen
We'd have to send Dermott down, swap Philp for Ryan and run 3 goalies with no spare skaters for a bit to accrue any cap space at all for the deadline, but it's doable. Most importantly it gives the team a true #4 defender (even if you disagree on the fit) and a goalie who won't shit his pants in regular season action. That might be enough to spark this team on a good run.
guymez
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This suggests (compared to elite prospects) that NHL.com is off by 26 lbs for Yamamoto.
Its extremely unlikely that the NHL is off by that much weight and also an inch less in height.
One would think that the NHL would have the most up to date stats on NHL players being that it has a vested interest in providing up to date player information.
Fourier
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I am very confident that the combine data is accurate. He was listed at 146.5 lbs. If the NHL data is accurate that means that Yamamoto put on 32 lbs in a few years which for someone his size would be an insane amount of weight without growing taller while Savoie put on 3-4lbs. Just looking at the two players makes me think that the NHL.com data is out.
guymez
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Okay...lets use that 146.4 lbs number then.
How can you explain the NHL data being off by as much as +20%?
Its extremely unlikely.
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Fourier
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The height and weight measurements are a key component of the combine. As I said I have full confidence that they are accurate. Elite prospects has him at 152lbs. I have no idea why NHL.com would be out and nor do I have conclusive evidence that they are, though they certainly have been in the past. But as I said Yamamoto does not look that big to me. 5'8'' and 179 lbs is fairly stocky. When I look at Savoie he looks like he fits that description. When I look at Yamamoto he does not. I have no more to say than that.
McDNicks17
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Man, AA fell off.
Playing 9 minutes per night and the only guy on the Hawks without a point.
guymez
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My main point is that the NHl has a vested interest in providing accurate info about players.
I think that liklihood that Yamamotos weight is 27 lbs different compared to elite prospects is extremely unlikly.
There isnt another source (aside from the NHL) that I am aware of that would be more up to date.
Thats really the point I am making. I am not making the claim this the NHL data is spot on however I am more inclined to embrace their number over a claim that its "too much weight for Yamo to put on".
Maybe the NHL data is off by a few lbs...could be.
I would suggest to you though that the margin of error is small enough that I dont think its particularily relevant.
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Behind Enemy Lines
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I suspect I'm light, but whatever they'll take what I offer and like it.
Portzline says the Blue Jackets will carry 8 defensemen until their current road trip ends, and then two obvious choices are i) to send down Jiricek or ii) expose Harris to waivers. I hope for option i), the chaos option.
It's a fun thought. There would be a very competitive market for a high pedigree very young d-man with golden scarcity attributes of right-handedness, size and mobility. Oilers are light on trade collateral relative to other organizations and immediate Cup aspirations with a deficient blueline. IF C-Bus decides to move off an age 20 year bluechip with 52 NHL games in a largely dysfunction organization, new competent GM Donny Wad will be asking for a quality return not secondary bits and bobs.
Unfortunately Jiricek doesn't solve an immediate Oiler need and this organization somewhat threadbare in tradeable assets has to fix their blueline hole created through their off-season Plan B reactive contingency plan.
EDIT: Provorov though is a viable target and C-Bus with bountiful cap space will be a coveted trade partner for double retention deals.
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TheNumber4
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Matches the eye test. Knob Hockey is still working great. And yeh, Emberson has really come along. Like many thought, it's not that hard to replace Ceci.
guymez
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He never seemed to have a compete level that matched his talent.
If he did he would be a a star player IMO.
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Fourier
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As I said the combine results are going to be accurate. From there if an 5'8" 18 year old puts on close top 30 lbs without gaining height that is a really incredible thing. I mean some kids have late growth spurts but 30 lbs or even 20 LBS on someone that size would be a massive change in the body structure. But as I said, I have no conclusive evidence that the NHL.com number is wrong though weight data has never been a strength of that site.
As I said I don't have a dog in this fight. I was only trying to give some context to the discussion.
Davo Ikinzom
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He was always a poor hockey player. Had all of the tools, ten cent head for the game.
There's another guy heading that direction that everyone and their dog on this board were morose about for the Oilers passing him over.
