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[CantHaveTkachev]

That's irrelevant when the Oilers still have the five forwards that played more PK than him last year.

it is relevant because this PK sucks right now and he'd definitely be one of the top options when a change comes

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

it is relevant because this PK sucks right now and he'd definitely be one of the top options when a change comes

Sure, I was thinking they should pop Hyman back out there see if they can get him going a bit by giving him different icetime looks.

 

[barry halls]

The summer moves were never good, there’s just a huge portion of this fanbase that believes in management no matter what until they’re inevitably proven wrong in hindsight.

Clouder’s one of the fastest guys in the league, big, young, scored more than Drai in the finals, one of the rare non 1st round Oilers picks that became a player, traded for a tiny magic bean. Shades of Ebs being ran out of town for being too soft.
He and Foegele along with Ceci and Vinny formed part of the core of a record-setting PK unit. This management group was too arrogant and shortsighted to recognize their value.
Skinner was a reclamation project (not bad so far to be fair), Josh Brown was a disaster, Dermott sucks, Emberson isn’t an NHL player yet but acquired to be a top-4 on a contender. Giving Janmark 3 years is probably unnecessary. Trading a legit NHL vet right shot dman to make room to match on Broberg and then deciding to let him go will haunt them for years.

To cap it off they hire an awful GM with a track record of destroying a mini-dynasty. Remember how everything Detroit fans said about Holland came true? It’ll be the same with Bowman.

Jeff Jackson is a disaster artist, stop wasting your energy simping for him and open your eyes, he’s steering this ship into an iceberg.

 

[Spawn]

In the 2023 off season losing Kulak wasn't an option because we had nobody of any experience behind him to play. Broberg wasn't ready yet, and deservedly got shuffled out when Ekholm was acquired.

This is such a load of nonsense.

Broberg was entering his 5th year post draft, had played two years in the SEL and 2 years split between the AHL and NHL. He’d just played 46 games in the regular season and 9 games in the playoffs and we had Ekholm and Nurse to play ahead of him.

There was literally never a better time than that to make room for him by shipping out Kulak.

The Oilers made it impossible for him to make the team by having Ekholm, Nurse and Kulak ahead of him.

 

[Canovin]

This is such a load of nonsense.

Broberg was entering his 5th year post draft, had played two years in the SEL and 2 years split between the AHL and NHL. He’d just played 46 games in the regular season and 9 games in the playoffs and we had Ekholm and Nurse to play ahead of him.

There was literally never a better time than that to make room for him by shipping out Kulak.

The Oilers made it impossible for him to make the team by having Ekholm, Nurse and Kulak ahead of him.

The right side was wide open. He had a spot. He wanted more $$

 

[K1984]

This is such a load of nonsense.

Broberg was entering his 5th year post draft, had played two years in the SEL and 2 years split between the AHL and NHL. He’d just played 46 games in the regular season and 9 games in the playoffs and we had Ekholm and Nurse to play ahead of him.

There was literally never a better time than that to make room for him by shipping out Kulak.

The Oilers made it impossible for him to make the team by having Ekholm, Nurse and Kulak ahead of him.

Contending teams don't trade off the sure thing (Kulak) who ups his game and is impactful every single playoff so they can hope and pray that a soft, oft injured, inconsistent (generously) d man can just take it from there. Especially when you have a total wild card in Nurse ahead of him. Kulak can step up into more minutes when it matters if Nurse falters (and did just that this last playoff), Broberg at that point couldn't. Broberg showed absolutely nothing at that point in his career that would have lead anyone to think that this would make sense.

Your post is loaded with hindsight. Guy plays 3 good games in the playoffs and now we're dumb that we didn't ship everyone off two years ago to accommodate him.

 

[McDNicks17]

it is relevant because this PK sucks right now and he'd definitely be one of the top options when a change comes

If he was a top option, he wouldn’t have been the sixth option last year.

 

[Oilhawks]

Contending teams don't trade off the sure thing (Kulak) who ups his game and is impactful every single playoff so they can hope and pray that a soft, oft injured, inconsistent (generously) d man can just take it from there. Especially when you have a total wild card in Nurse ahead of him. Kulak can step up into more minutes when it matters if Nurse falters, Broberg at that point couldn't. Broberg showed absolutely nothing at that point in his career that would have lead anyone to think that this would make sense.

Your post is loaded with hindsight. Guy plays 3 good games in the playoffs and now we're dumb that we didn't ship everyone off two years ago to accommodate him.

Negative Nancy Crew major in hindsight

 

[CupofOil]

The summer moves were never good, there’s just a huge portion of this fanbase that believes in management no matter what until they’re inevitably proven wrong in hindsight.

Clouder’s one of the fastest guys in the league, big, young, scored more than Drai in the finals, one of the rare non 1st round Oilers picks that became a player, traded for a tiny magic bean. Shades of Ebs being ran out of town for being too soft.
He and Foegele along with Ceci and Vinny formed part of the core of a record-setting PK unit. This management group was too arrogant and shortsighted to recognize their value.
Skinner was a reclamation project (not bad so far to be fair), Josh Brown was a disaster, Dermott sucks, Emberson isn’t an NHL player yet but acquired to be a top-4 on a contender. Giving Janmark 3 years is probably unnecessary. Trading a legit NHL vet right shot dman to make room to match on Broberg and then deciding to let him go will haunt them for years.

To cap it off they hire an awful GM with a track record of destroying a mini-dynasty. Remember how everything Detroit fans said about Holland came true? It’ll be the same with Bowman.

Jeff Jackson is a disaster artist, stop wasting your energy simping for him and open your eyes, he’s steering this ship into an iceberg.

It's 7 games into the season lol.

I'm not happy with the current state of affairs either and I think in particular that losing Broberg long term is going to hurt big time but it's crazy to throw new management under the bus like his so soon, just way too hyperbolic.

The reality is that the slow start is mainly due to the top 6 playing below par and the goaltending being poor for the most part.
The team was 2-9-1 last season with all these departed players outside of Broberg playing so they wouldn't have made much of a difference now.


This is what the Oilers do, they start slow every year, doesn't matter who the supporting cast or coach is for that matter so logically it's pretty obvious that the slow start is a core issue nothing more nothing less. Like most teams, team success is driven by the core players and goaltending. When both are playing poor, it's very hard to win in the NHL.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

If he was a top option, he wouldn’t have been the sixth option last year.

Well, the top options on the Oilers right now aren't getting it done...so naturally he'd get a bigger opportunity to kill penalties this year, like he is in Buffalo

 

[Drivesaitl]

It's 7 games into the season lol.

I'm not happy with the current state of affairs either and I think in particular that losing Broberg long term is going to hurt big time but it's crazy to throw new management under the bus like his so soon, just way too hyperbolic.

The reality is that the slow start is mainly due to the top 6 playing below par and the goaltending being poor for the most part.
The team was 2-9-1 last season with all these departed players outside of Broberg playing so they wouldn't have made much of a difference now.


This is what the Oilers do, they start slow every year, doesn't matter who the supporting cast or coach is for that matter so logically it's pretty obvious that the slow start is a core issue nothing more nothing less. Like most teams, team success is driven by the core players and goaltending. When both are playing poor, it's very hard to win in the NHL.

It doesn't matter how far into the season the team is. Losing a top prospect D, an excellent zone out, zone entry forward that blazes up and down ice, and a top forward prospect, all in one offseason is terrible asset management. In most orgs prospects are important assets, and in any org with much of a future they are.

This board is always doing an about face on their takes. It wasn't a year ago people were calling Holloway Hollwyood and when drafted people loved this player and his potential. Broberg was highly thought of. Mcleod was a player with all kinds of intangibles and was great on a world class pk. Speed to burn in a sport that requires it. Soon as we lose all these guys they're suddenly termed chopped chicken liver.

Meanwhile the players we have in place are far worse and are vets who have no futures potential. What sane org gives up potentials and replaces it with fill?

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think part of the problem is we didn't have any certainty at LD until we got Ekholm at the deadline in 2023. Broberg's true opportunity was when we had Nurse - Kulak - XX on the left side, but he didn't do anything with it.

In the 2023 off season losing Kulak wasn't an option because we had nobody of any experience behind him to play. Broberg wasn't ready yet, and deservedly got shuffled out when Ekholm was acquired.

Could he have been given more opportunity? Sure, maybe. But he wasn't out playing any of the LD such that he should step in above them, and was getting out played by Desharnais on 3RD. Could a move have been made to dump Ceci and play him on the right side with Nurse? Maybe, but that's a role that Broberg at that point had given no indication he could fill.

He's more a victim of bad timing and circumstance than being hard done by by the organization IMO.

It had zero to do with Broberg not being ready. It had everything to do with a staid org wanting to go only with vets. Look how much Woody was critiqued back in the day for not giving broberg or Holloway or other youth enough opportunity. Another guy Kesselring was great every preseason, never made the club.

Playing a dud like Desharnais over a real talent like Broberg is indictable.

 

[McDNicks17]

Well, the top options on the Oilers right now aren't getting it done...so naturally he'd get a bigger opportunity to kill penalties this year, like he is in Buffalo

Or more likely he'd be in the same boat because it clearly isn't a personnel issue with having 99% of the same players on it and it being much worse.

The Oilers PK SV% is 20% lower this year than last. That might be a good first place to look.

 

[K1984]

It had zero to do with Broberg not being ready. It had everything to do with a staid org wanting to go only with vets. Look how much Woody was critiqued back in the day for not giving broberg or Holloway or other youth enough opportunity. Another guy Kesselring was great every preseason, never made the club.

Playing a dud like Desharnais over a real talent like Broberg is indictable.

Shame he couldn't outplay any of the players you describe at any point if it were so obvious.

All hindsight, all of it. Nobody around here bat an eyelash when he was sent down in February while Desharnais stayed up.

 

[Drivesaitl]

He's much more proven than our 2 were and he wasn't a pouty little bitch like Broberg was.

meh. The 80's Oilers had several players that were hard to manage. Anderson, Fuhr, Coffey, Mess. Mess would break every rule the team had early in career and show up at the wrong airport or not at all for flights. One of the biggest tasks early was finding him room mates that wouldn't have him out drinking till 2am. The club intentionally got guys like Fogolin, to help manage some of these players.

Good orgs take people that are of value and work around what would be considered their behavioral challenges. You do that because the talent is on the ice and the only important thing is having the best players on the ice and winning. So that you take the attributes and work with them. Glen Sather built a legend team doing that. He also considered himself having a father role looking after some of the players.

Broberg knew he was good and acted accordingly. He's proving his worth as well and probably continues to. Not making any comparisons at all, just saying you have to manage prospects and see them as that. Not as whiny ass bitches.

Shame he couldn't outplay any of the players you describe at any point if it were so obvious.

It was obvious Desharnais was only here due to being a Woodcrap favorite. What org plays a nothing D like that over a real talent. You and others keep saying Bro was given all the chances and yet he's a D, and young D take time to develop, and its worth the squeeze taking that time.

 

[K1984]

It was obvious Desharnais was only here due to being a Woodcrap favorite. What org plays a nothing D like that over a real talent. You and others keep saying Bro was given all the chances and yet he's a D, and young D take time to develop, and its worth the squeeze taking that time.

Find me a single soul here (including yourself) that put their foot down and said that it would have made more sense to waive Desharnais (where he would have certainly been claimed) so Broberg, who was a total zero when he played here last year, could take his place.

 

[CupofOil]

It was obvious Desharnais was only here due to being a Woodcrap favorite. What org plays a nothing D like that over a real talent. You and others keep saying Bro was given all the chances and yet he's a D, and young D take time to develop, and its worth the squeeze taking that time.

Nah, Vinny actually played well in his role in the regular season. He and Kulak were a solid 3rd pair then it sort of fell apart for Vinny in the playoffs hence the Broberg replacement.

The problem wasn't that Broberg didn't get his opportunity sooner because he wasn't good enough for the NHL even as recently as last preseason when he shit the bed. The problem was Holland's cap mismanagement making the Oilers a prime candidate to fall victim to offer sheets and perhaps JJ squeezing them a little too much in negotiations although it appears that Broberg wanted an out regardless of what the Oilers offered. It's going to suck a whole lot watching Broberg thrive elsewhere as the Oilers core ages out, maybe worse than watching Petry thrive in Montreal.
I liked Holloway too but he's the far less significant loss. Losing Broberg is going to be a killer long term IMO.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Shame he couldn't outplay any of the players you describe at any point if it were so obvious.

All hindsight, all of it. Nobody around here bat an eyelash when he was sent down in February while Desharnais stayed up.

Find me a single soul here (including yourself) that put their foot down and said that it would have made more sense to waive Desharnais (where he would have certainly been claimed) so Broberg, who was a total zero in the half season he played here last year, could take his place.

I wasn't a fan of Desharnais and saw him as a weak option. I was a pretty longstanding critic of the player. Since when are young top D prospects only granted the bare minimum of games to establish, and then determined to be of no use. lol

There was hardly a poster here that didn't recognize that Broberg was figuring it out in the playoffs, in the biggest test of all the SC final. Why you going back so far to establish nobody knew.

But this is the height of your illogic. Respecting "Desharnais who could be claimed on waivers" and denouncing a player so good that an NHL team made significant offer sheet and from reports other teams were interested.

Broberg was considered significant enough of an asset that a team took the rare step of offer sheeting the player. lmao who would do that for Desharnais, a junk bond you could just pick up for nothing.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Nah, Vinny actually played well in his role in the regular season. He and Kulak were a solid 3rd pair then it sort of fell apart for Vinny in the playoffs hence the Broberg replacement.

The problem wasn't that Broberg didn't get his opportunity sooner because he wasn't good enough for the NHL even as recently as last preseason when he shit the bed. The problem was Holland's cap mismanagement making the Oilers a prime candidate to fall victim to offer sheets and perhaps JJ squeezing them a little too much in negotiations although it appears that Broberg wanted an out regardless of what the Oilers offered. It's going to suck a whole lot watching Broberg thrive elsewhere as the Oilers core ages out, maybe worse than watching Petry thrive in Montreal.
I liked Holloway too but he's the far less significant loss. Losing Broberg is going to be a killer long term IMO.

Since when are prospect D determined on the basis of a dozen games. Talented young D often take a bit of time to figure it out. This used to be considered a given with respect to D, that give you them time to establish.

Broberg was granted only a dozen games last season which is not nearly enough to establish on the player, or that he "shit the bed" The same player was good in his playoff starts same season, just month later than people determining he "was not ready"

I mean c'mon. Did you really feel he was not ready after seeing him in playoff?

Blues sure didn't think Broberg shit the bed. They properly assessed the talent and respected him with an offer sheet. Significant undertaking to obtain a player.

Broberg was +7 in the SC final. Seems like teams noticed he'd found his way. Bro played 10 playoff games and overall played them well. Somehow we're supposed to feel that was irrelevant while others establish that his 12 regular season games marked him as "not ready"

 

[McShogun99]

Contending teams don't trade off the sure thing (Kulak) who ups his game and is impactful every single playoff so they can hope and pray that a soft, oft injured, inconsistent (generously) d man can just take it from there. Especially when you have a total wild card in Nurse ahead of him. Kulak can step up into more minutes when it matters if Nurse falters (and did just that this last playoff), Broberg at that point couldn't. Broberg showed absolutely nothing at that point in his career that would have lead anyone to think that this would make sense.

Your post is loaded with hindsight. Guy plays 3 good games in the playoffs and now we're dumb that we didn't ship everyone off two years ago to accommodate him.

They still make room for their top prospects. Tampa found a way to fit in Sergachev with their stacked defence. The Oilers essentially choose a career 3rd pairing Dman over an 8th overall pick that was trending up each year. Every time Kulak stepped into a 2nd pairing role he's failed miserably. He also made a complete bonehead play on the Cup winning goal. If management looked at the bigger picture you keep Broberg over Kulak. You can get players like that every year at the deadline or UFA but good luck trying to get a potential young, top pairing D like Broberg.

Since when are prospect D determined on the basis of a dozen games. Talented young D often take a bit of time to figure it out. This used to be considered a given with respect to D, that give you them time to establish.

Broberg was granted only a dozen games last season which is not nearly enough to establish on the player, or that he "shit the bed" The same player was good in his playoff starts same season, just month later than people determining he "was not ready"

I mean c'mon. Did you really feel he was not ready after seeing him in playoff?

Blues sure didn't think Broberg shit the bed. They properly assessed the talent and respected him with an offer sheet. Significant undertaking to obtain a player.

Broberg was +7 in the SC final. Seems like teams noticed he'd found his way. Bro played 10 playoff games and overall played them well. Somehow we're supposed to feel that was irrelevant while others establish that his 12 regular season games marked him as "not ready"

Panthers players were raving about Broberg after the series, apparently JJ didn't get the memo.

 

[K1984]

I wasn't a fan of Desharnais and saw him as a weak option. I was a pretty longstanding critic of the player. Since when are young top D prospects only granted the bare minimum of games to establish, and then determined to be of no use. lol

There was hardly a poster here that didn't recognize that Broberg was figuring it out in the playoffs, in the biggest test of all the SC final. Why you going back so far to establish nobody knew.

But this is the height of your illogic. Respecting "Desharnais who could be claimed on waivers" and denouncing a player so good that an NHL team made significant offer sheet and from reports other teams were interested.

Broberg was considered significant enough of an asset that a team took the rare step of offer sheeting the player. lmao who would do that for Desharnais, a junk bond you could just pick up for nothing.

Ugh, it really isn't complicated.

"BROBERG DIDN'T GET ANY OPPORTUNITY!!!!"

He didn't really earn it, showed nothing to grab a spot in the season, and was outplayed by competition like Desharnais such that it made no sense to lose Desharnais to give a player that has done all of zero a shot.

"WHY ARE YOU LOOKING BACK THEN!!! HE WAS GOOD IN THE PLAYOFFS!!"



Hind-sighting this is literally the only way anyone could possibly claim they had the wisdom to know that we just should have pissed away Desharnais, a player that was actually contributing and playing a role here, so that Broberg can slowly, maybe find his way in the NHL. It's absurd.

Here's the hindsight free opinion of the board. Strange that literally nobody, as in not a soul, recognized the wisdom of dumping Desharnias to keep Broberg up. People were so outraged that the thread made it all the way to 14 posts, most of which were regarding Lavoie's ice time. The Broberg discussion was how much we thought we might be able to get for him by dumping him in a deal:

Recalled/Assigned: - Raphael Lavoie Recalled, Philip Broberg Assigned to Bakersfield

 

[McDNicks17]

Panthers players were raving about Broberg after the series, apparently JJ didn't get the memo.

If only it were EA Sports and he could force Broberg to sign a contract.

 

[Drivesaitl]

They still make room for their top prospects. Tampa found a way to fit in Sergachev with their stacked defence. The Oilers essentially choose a career 3rd pairing Dman over an 8th overall pick that was trending up each year. Every time Kulak stepped into a 2nd pairing role he's failed miserably. He also made a complete bonehead play on the Cup winning goal. If management looked at the bigger picture you keep Broberg over Kulak. You can get players like that every year at the deadline or UFA but good luck trying to get a potential young, top pairing D like Broberg.


Panthers players were raving about Broberg after the series, apparently JJ didn't get the memo.

Yep, But somehow its deemed requirement here to feel as if the Oilers didn't completely "Shit the bed" on the Broberg file, or the Holloway file.

 

[CupofOil]

Since when are prospect D determined on the basis of a dozen games. Talented young D often take a bit of time to figure it out. This used to be considered a given with respect to D, that give you them time to establish.

Broberg was granted only a dozen games last season which is not nearly enough to establish on the player, or that he "shit the bed" The same player was good in his playoff starts same season, just month later than people determining he "was not ready"

I mean c'mon. Did you really feel he was not ready after seeing him in playoff?

Blues sure didn't think Broberg shit the bed. They properly assessed the talent and respected him with an offer sheet. Significant undertaking to obtain a player.

Broberg was +7 in the SC final. Seems like teams noticed he'd found his way. Bro played 10 playoff games and overall played them well. Somehow we're supposed to feel that was irrelevant while others establish that his 12 regular season games marked him as "not ready"

Broberg had never shown to be ready for the NHL , we can go back to all the posts around here to confirm that he wasn't ready, has no idea how to protect himself as he was getting crushed on the regular, Bustberg etc. They were rampant around here.
Nobody had any idea that he was ready for full time NHL duty nevermind NHL playoff hockey and the Oilers just weren't in the right timeline especially with the slow start to go through the growing pains of allowing him to work through it. Nobody had any idea that he would have been a top 4 Dman in the NHL finals, nobody.

One can argue that they should have traded Kulak or traded Ceci and try Nurse on the right side and give Broberg a lot of runway to work through the growing pains but, again, a team in a win now timeline especially after a 2-9-1 start to the season isn't going to do that. THIS was going to be the year for him to fully establish himself and it seems like the Oilers had plans to give him that opportunity but then the offer sheets happened because the Oilers were cap strapped and....here we are.

Trust me, I'm very unhappy that he's gone now but I don't think it was due to botched development it was due to botched management.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Ugh, it really isn't complicated.

"BROBERG DIDN'T GET ANY OPPORTUNITY!!!!"

He didn't really earn it, showed nothing to grab a spot in the season, and was outplayed by competition like Desharnais such that it made no sense to lose Desharnais to give a player that has done all of zero a shot.

"WHY ARE YOU LOOKING BACK THEN!!! HE WAS GOOD IN THE PLAYOFFS!!"



Hind-sighting this is literally the only way anyone could possibly claim they had the wisdom to know that we just should have pissed away Desharnais, a player that was actually contributing and playing a role here, so that Broberg can slowly, maybe find his way in the NHL. It's absurd.

Here's the hindsight free opinion of the board. Strange that literally nobody, as in not a soul, recognized the wisdom of dumping Desharnias to keep Broberg up. People were so outraged that the thread made it all the way to 14 posts, most of which were regarding Lavoie's ice time. The Broberg discussion was how much we thought we might be able to get for him by dumping him in a deal:

Recalled/Assigned: - Raphael Lavoie Recalled, Philip Broberg Assigned to Bakersfield

A thread with 14 posts is considered some kind of evidence to you? Ironic, yes, that an org that is pure shit at prospect development also lost Lavoie since. How the f*** is it hindsight to mention Broberg had a sublime playoffs and all teams noticed that and were watching with anticipation?

The Oilers f***ed this over. The required copium here is to stick heads in sand and ignore it happened.