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[Pip]

Watching Broberg develop and blossom right b4 our eyes in St.Louis and were stuck with AHL material player on our 2nd pairing. leaves a sour taste in mouth. Anyone saying Stecher looks better than Ceci should have thier heads examined. Emberson is also not the answer.

Stecher is not just better than Ceci, he’s significantly better than Ceci.

 

[Spawn]

If only he earned a spot out of camp the 3 previous camps so that we knew exactly what we had in him over a full season. Instead he shit the bed.

Tough to earn a spot out of camp when you have Ekholm, Nurse and Kulak all ahead of you under contract for significant money.

The team screwed up with Broberg when they didn’t move Kulak after the 22-23 season. He had played more than half a season and playoff games. He was ready to play full time last year but the team didn’t make room for him.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

Yes and no. I still don't know wth is going on with #93 and Podkolzin has been game but just doesn't seem to fit anywhere given how Knob chooses to use our bottom six. J. Skinner is coming around which is great and RV is a consummate pro so no concerns on those two, but we badly need some chemistry to emerge in that middle six... oh, and a right shot D to find their home next to Nurse.

Really the big issue is that the other Skinner has been our worst player, which you just can't have out of that player/position. If he shits the bed again in Dallas I don't know what you do though outside of (finally) firing Schwartz and hoping a fresh voice can turn him around mentally. I don't see a sub $1M goalie coming up on waivers who would last to us AND be an improvement.

i do agree, the team, and a fair number or it's parts are not in top form at this point, but I do feel that I've seen positive signs from most. 93 has probably been the worst so far this year, with no signs of coming out of it. I find it hard to believe that RNH won't get back to the player that he's been for the last decade. Stu Skinner needs to find a way to be more consistent, that's his and a whole lot of goalie's issue too. The Oil don't need Stu to be a .930 world beater type goalie, what they need is a solid .910, dependable guy, I hope Stu can be that guy. At his current cap hit, he's worth every penny and then some, so it's hard to complain about Stu. I think the team is going in the right direction now, Dallas is gonna be a good test.

 

[Senor Catface]

Tough to earn a spot out of camp when you have Ekholm, Nurse and Kulak all ahead of you under contract for significant money.

The team screwed up with Broberg when they didn’t move Kulak after the 22-23 season. He had played more than half a season and playoff games. He was ready to play full time last year but the team didn’t make room for him.

Dude, you said Broberg was basically a bust this time last year. Don't revise.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

Tough to earn a spot out of camp when you have Ekholm, Nurse and Kulak all ahead of you under contract for significant money.

The team screwed up with Broberg when they didn’t move Kulak after the 22-23 season. He had played more than half a season and playoff games. He was ready to play full time last year but the team didn’t make room for him.

ya, that was a major turning point for sure. Broberg had every reason to want to look for another organization, he was mishandled a few ways by this team, and unfortunately, now the Oilers will have to see him succeed with another organization. I don't think he's a future Norris winner, but I wouldn't be shocked if he's a top pairing D man for the next 10 to 12 years.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Something to keep an eye on for the Oilers, maybe a spot to "steal" an over looked young player in a spot they could really use one.

I don't who Nick is, but yes, this is an issue with Jiracek not really getting a look, he gets his first game of the year tomorrow.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Tough to earn a spot out of camp when you have Ekholm, Nurse and Kulak all ahead of you under contract for significant money.

The team screwed up with Broberg when they didn’t move Kulak after the 22-23 season. He had played more than half a season and playoff games. He was ready to play full time last year but the team didn’t make room for him.

He looked passable at times and like a deer in headlights for a lot more time. He didn't outplay Desharnais until the last season. To keep him at $4.? million we would've needed to move Ceci and Kulak and ran bare bones on the 3rd pairing. He wanted to leave and his agent likely went hunting for an offersheet. The worst part of it is that he dragged Holloway into it as well. Straight up Broberg can f*** himself, not because he took the bag but because he didn't earn the bag here in spite of being given so many chances to do so and even then he was still bitter and wanted out.

 

[Spawn]

Dude, you said Broberg was basically a bust this time last year. Don't revise.

Here’s what I said about Broberg last year before the season started:

Broberg could step in today and replace the ~15 minutes a night that Kulak is going to get playing on the 3rd pairing and we wouldn’t even notice a difference. And you’d save nearly $2m in cap space that could go towards fixing the right side which is a mess outside of Bouchard on the 2nd pair.

He looked passable at times and like a deer in headlights for a lot more time. He didn't outplay Desharnais until the last season. To keep him at $4.? million we would've needed to move Ceci and Kulak and ran bare bones on the 3rd pairing. He wanted to leave and his agent likely went hunting for an offersheet. The worst part of it is that he dragged Holloway into it as well. Straight up Broberg can f*** himself, not because he took the bag but because he didn't earn the bag here in spite of being given so many chances to do so and even then he was still bitter and wanted out.

He wanted to leave because the Oilers jerked him around all last season and never once prioritized his development.

 

[McShogun99]

Something to keep an eye on for the Oilers, maybe a spot to "steal" an over looked young player in a spot they could really use one.

I don't who Nick is, but yes, this is an issue with Jiracek not really getting a look, he gets his first game of the year tomorrow.

Broberg for Jiricek……..oh wait….change that to a 2nd and Fischer for Jiricek.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Here’s what I said about Broberg last year before the season started:

Broberg could step in today and replace the ~15 minutes a night that Kulak is going to get playing on the 3rd pairing and we wouldn’t even notice a difference. And you’d save nearly $2m in cap space that could go towards fixing the right side which is a mess outside of Bouchard on the 2nd pair.


He wanted to leave because the Oilers jerked him around all last season and never once prioritized his development.

He looked like absolute crap in the preseason and was outplayed by Gleason let alone Kulak. He probably needed that last year in the AHL to get to where he is today. Sometimes shit happens.

 

[Senor Catface]

Here’s what I said about Broberg last year before the season started:

Broberg could step in today and replace the ~15 minutes a night that Kulak is going to get playing on the 3rd pairing and we wouldn’t even notice a difference. And you’d save nearly $2m in cap space that could go towards fixing the right side which is a mess outside of Bouchard on the 2nd pair.


He wanted to leave because the Oilers jerked him around all last season and never once prioritized his development.

This isn't some gotcha. I only brought this up because I remember you said he was basically a bust.

From November 2023.

Bourgault and Broberg are far closer to bust territory than 1st round territory. It’s sunk cost fallacy. If all it takes to dump that albatross of a contract is a 1st rounder and a couple fringe prospects, make it happen.

That's not really super glowing comments about him compared to "he's ready to be on the team" right?

 

[Spawn]

This isn't some gotcha. I only brought this up because I remember you said he was basically a bust.

From November 2023.



That's not really super glowing comments about him compared to "he's ready to be on the team" right?

Who said anything about glowing comments? All I said was he was ready to be a full time bottom pair D-man, which he was, which would have saved the team cap space and would have prevented the team from souring the relationship.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I was at the forefront of saying Emberson wasn't good enough to be a top 4 d-man in the near term and also that Podkolzin did not have the same offensive upside as Holloway despite many arguing the contrary; now most people are agreeing with my prior takes and I feel have gone from overvaluing and overhyping these players to now thinking they aren't good enough altogether and don't belong on a team with serious cup aspirations. To me this is an overcorrection that often happens on these boards, extreme optimism to extreme pessimism, from what I've seen of each they've shown enough good qualities that I wouldn't yet say either one doesn't belong on a post trade deadline day Oiler's roster.

I see issues in the games of both players, but not to a large enough extent that I don't want to give them some leash and see what the coaches can do with them. What Podkolzin is bringing to the table already is pretty valuable, if he can continue to consistently do what he is presently doing and on top of that prove to be an asset to the PK and chip in about 15-ish points that is probably good enough to stay. For Emberson, I don't think the lines are as cut and dry since post deadline we'll likely have a new 2nd pairing d-man and the final D spot will be hotly contested between those that remain, but I will say he has higher upside than either Stecher or Dermott, the question is how much can we extract and how consistent will he be by the time we have to make the tough decisions.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Here’s what I said about Broberg last year before the season started:

Broberg could step in today and replace the ~15 minutes a night that Kulak is going to get playing on the 3rd pairing and we wouldn’t even notice a difference. And you’d save nearly $2m in cap space that could go towards fixing the right side which is a mess outside of Bouchard on the 2nd pair.


He wanted to leave because the Oilers jerked him around all last season and never once prioritized his development.

Broberg probably could've tried to play better in pre-season if he wanted a legit shot to play minutes last year.

 

[Mr Positive]

Imo Ceci was better than Stecher but Stecher fits better with Nurse. Nurse needs to play with someone who can skate as well as he can. I don't know why, but it's just true. That's why he didn't do so well with Desharnais or Bouchard too.

That also should inform management on what kind of 2nd pair RD they should target. Get a better version of Stecher, not a better version of Ceci. So please no to Savard. I'm not sure what Murphy is like in that way. Of course Andersson is ideal

 

[Macblender]

Honestly I would easily trade a 1st (the 2026) for Jiricek as long as he is fine being second pairing and limited PP time behind Bouchard.

No clue if they take that and would definitely add, worth a shot to secure a young RHD who has some very nice qualities.

 

[TB12]

This isn't some gotcha. I only brought this up because I remember you said he was basically a bust.

From November 2023.



That's not really super glowing comments about him compared to "he's ready to be on the team" right?

damn. You thoroughly dunked on that poster whom I cannot see as I have them on ignore.

 

[McFlash97]

Skinner is the only new acquisition that I think works well here thus far. The other 3 don't move the needle and at times seem to create more havoc than good. Podkolzin can't recieve a pass while skating, Emberson has turned the puck over countless times while in the offensive zone, stecher is small and weak.

We really need a bigger, faster and slightly younger guy paired with Nurse, a better forechecker and puck retriever than Podkolzin, and just a better player than Emberson. Arvidsson might just need more time to acclimate with the Oilers.

 

[MessierII]

Skinner is the only new acquisition that I think works well here thus far. The other 3 don't move the needle and at times seem to create more havoc than good. Podkolzin can't recieve a pass while skating, Emberson has turned the puck over countless times while in the offensive zone, stecher is small and weak.

We really need a bigger, faster and slightly younger guy paired with Nurse, a better forechecker and puck retriever than Podkolzin, and just a better player than Emberson. Arvidsson might just need more time to acclimate with the Oilers.

It’s pretty early to make broad sweeping statements about any of them.

 

[GOilers88]

I wonder how many people going on about Broberg now didn't like the pick at the time and complained about him being a bust the last few years.

 

[Old Boys Club]

I wonder how many people going on about Broberg now didn't like the pick at the time and complained about him being a bust the last few years.

There’s been some whiplash in opinion. My favourite is the complete flip-flop HFmainboards has done on the player. They spent 4 years calling him “brobust” and took every chance to deride the player and mock the oilers for passing on caufield, boldy, and zegras. Now after 15 anomalous games they are ready to proclaim him a top pairing dman - the next forsling.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I wonder how many people going on about Broberg now didn't like the pick at the time and complained about him being a bust the last few years.

That Ven diagram is nearly a circle lol

 

[GOilers88]

There’s been some whiplash in opinion. My favourite is the complete flip-flop HFmainboards has done on the player. They spent 4 years calling him “brobust” and took every chance to deride the player and mock the oilers for passing on caufield, boldy, and zegras. Now after 15 anomalous games they are ready to proclaim him a top pairing dman - the next forsling.

I'm not going to lie, I think it's going to really sting by the end of this season as he finally locks in his spot as a legit top 4 guy.

But I couldn't agree more with you.

 

[belair]

I wonder how many people going on about Broberg now didn't like the pick at the time and complained about him being a bust the last few years.

If only someone was consistent in their suggestion that Kulak should be moved while he had value to free up some necessary cap space.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If only someone was consistent in their suggestion that Kulak should be moved while he had value to free up some necessary cap space.

It isn't a bad idea to explore, but they can't get a marginal return (with the cap space) while expecting Dermott to be an everyday at 3LD.