Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's the Beef?

[CanadasTeam99]

I don't buy the whole "toughness" thing anymore. Being tough to play against doesn't mean big and strong. It means being relentless on pucks, constant forecheck pressure, and everyone no matter their size finishing their checks. Being a dogged nuisance that won't let you catch your breath. This doesn't require punching faces or throwing devastating hip checks. Conor Garland plays a tougher game than most players in the league and he's tiny.

But that's just me.

I feel the same about the silly "we're sooooo old" that everyone is spouting now. Like the team is a bunch of geriatrics out of a nursing home. It's a mean nothing buzzphrase being used in lieu of meaningful talking points and critiques.

COL won the cup with the least amount of hits in the NHL....

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I don't buy the whole "toughness" thing anymore. Being tough to play against doesn't mean big and strong. It means being relentless on pucks, constant forecheck pressure, and everyone no matter their size finishing their checks. Being a dogged nuisance that won't let you catch your breath. This doesn't require punching faces or throwing devastating hip checks. Conor Garland plays a tougher game than most players in the league and he's tiny.

But that's just me.

I feel the same about the silly "we're sooooo old" that everyone is spouting now. Like the team is a bunch of geriatrics out of a nursing home. It's a mean nothing buzzphrase being used in lieu of meaningful talking points and critiques.

Well when you know that someone has your back it makes a difference for a lot of players. Right now it isn't like that at all.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

COL won the cup with the least amount of hits in the NHL....

With beasts like MacDermid in the regular season and Manson in the playoffs.

 

[GOilers88]

Well when you know that someone has your back it makes a difference for a lot of players. Right now it isn't like that at all.

I don't disagree. But I don't think you need size or fighting ability for that.

Just heart and desire. Which could be a much larger and more concerning discussion regarding the team.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

COL won the cup with the least amount of hits in the NHL....

Refs were wearing Avs jerseys all season though

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I don't disagree. But I don't think you need size or fighting ability for that.

Just heart and desire.

I agree, but when you're always getting the business and no one is there to push back you have our current team. Only Nurse and Skinner did that yesterday.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Oilers need more speed, better RHD

These should be the targets. We have enough character, heart, toughness or whatever

 

[GOilers88]

I agree, but when you're always getting the business and no one is there to push back you have our current team. Only Nurse and Skinner did that yesterday.

It's disappointing that the team is choosing to play soft because I don't think they're a soft team.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Oilers need more speed, better RHD

These should be the targets. We have enough character, heart, toughness or whatever

The heart isn't showing and the toughness is non existent. What games are you watching?

 

[belair]

COL won the cup with the least amount of hits in the NHL....

And five consecutive seasons of the most PP advantages.

 

[belair]

So... Peyton Krebs?

 

[Cloned]

So... Peyton Krebs?

Is he actually an upgrade over anyone?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

And five consecutive seasons of the most PP advantages.

Maybe our guys have to stop being so nice/dumb and embellish a lot more

 

[belair]

Is he actually an upgrade over anyone?

He's fast and willing to fight his captain. So there's that.

 

[Louis Cypher]

I don't know what happened in his trial but I'd take him for cheap on the 4th line.

NO! he was one of the reasons we beat Calgary. Everytime he was on the ice it was like they were shorthanded.

 

[belair]

I'd also take a flier on JP if he hits waivers in Pitt. He was a bit of spark plug at times here before.

Speed and physicality are the two things that we can actively address by waiver or trade today. Putting pucks in and keeping them out is something that the team is going to have to figure out as the season progresses though.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I'd also take a flier on JP if he hits waivers in Pitt. He was a bit of spark plug at times here before.

Speed and physicality are the two things that we can actively address by waiver or trade today. Putting pucks in and keeping them out is something that the team is going to have to figure out as the season progresses though.

If he can't crack Pittsburgh's roster as a winger with their *checks notes* one legitimate top-6 winger, there's almost no chance he'll be an upgrade here.

 

[timekeep]

Oilers need more speed, better RHD

These should be the targets. We have enough character, heart, toughness or whatever

Out of those four you listed, we only have 'whatever' and not much of the others.

 

[McShogun99]

I don't buy the whole "toughness" thing anymore. Being tough to play against doesn't mean big and strong. It means being relentless on pucks, constant forecheck pressure, and everyone no matter their size finishing their checks. Being a dogged nuisance that won't let you catch your breath. This doesn't require punching faces or throwing devastating hip checks. Conor Garland plays a tougher game than most players in the league and he's tiny.

But that's just me.

I feel the same about the silly "we're sooooo old" that everyone is spouting now. Like the team is a bunch of geriatrics out of a nursing home. It's a mean nothing buzzphrase being used in lieu of meaningful talking points and critiques.

You take out Perry and Ryan and we probably drop to near league average in age. Off the top of my head the “old” players outside of those two are Ekholm, Hyman, RNH, Skinner, Janmark and Henrique.

 

[syz]

Deterrence isn't real.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I'd also take a flier on JP if he hits waivers in Pitt. He was a bit of spark plug at times here before.

Speed and physicality are the two things that we can actively address by waiver or trade today. Putting pucks in and keeping them out is something that the team is going to have to figure out as the season progresses though.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Oilers need more speed, better RHD

These should be the targets. We have enough character, heart, toughness or whatever

17 teams have played 3 games so far. Of those 17 teams, only 2 of them have a lower expected goals against.

It's not the defense that's killing us.

Warren Foegele with a 0-g-0a +/- 0 statline in LA's 8-7 loss, but I'm sure his speed was monumental for that 7-goal night from the group.

 

[syz]

17 teams have played 3 games so far. Of those 17 teams, only 2 of them have a lower expected goals against.

It's not the defense that's killing us.

Warren Foegele with a 0-g-0a +/- 0 statline in LA's 8-7 loss, but I'm sure his speed was monumental for that 7-goal night from the group.

Everyone should be forced to watch the highlights of that game so they can shake their heads at like 80% of the goals. Those teams got more puck luck in one game than the Oilers will all month.

 

[Messrules11]

I’ve been waiting all off-season for a thread about toughness, props @Bryanbryoil.

KK saying he doesn’t value hitting is about the most absurd statement he’s ever made, this is a contact sport and if you’re not going to hit you’re not going to intimidate anyone.
Imagine a football coach stating this, it’s mind boggling stupid, yet some posters are eating it up, either they’ve never played the game or they’re blind KK lovers.
Obviously this isn’t the ‘70’s or ‘80’s but to think truculence isn’t a factor in contact sports is quite frankly hilarious.

 

[belair]

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People shit on Yamo and Puljujarvi, but the only issue the organization had with them was their AAV that they earned based on production. At ~$800k those are valuable young players that you know have chemistry in the room.