Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | What Do Our RFA's Sign For Edition

[Beerfish]

McLeod filing for arbitration sucks and pretty much directly means we can’t add anyone else to the roster.

Holland 'squeezed' him last year so I have no issue with him doing so.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Holland 'squeezed' him last year so I have no issue with him doing so.

Oh I have no issues either. I just know it most likely means we lose Ceci or Foegele. Which is unfortunate cause I’m not really that high on McLeod.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If we get average goaltending we are the cup champions right now. No matter what our d did.

Our D was not bleeding chances all over the place in the playoffs, the goalie stunk. That is why we lost.

That and brutal net front coverage by our D.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Oh I have no issues either. I just know it most likely means we lose Ceci or Foegele. Which is unfortunate cause I’m not really that high on McLeod.

I just hope that he isn't the next Yamamoto/Puljujarvi. A younger guy that we put too much value in because he's "home gown" and then he stalls and isn't worth what he gets paid.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I just hope that he isn't the next Yamamoto/Puljujarvi. A younger guy that we put too much value in because he's "home gown" and then he stalls and isn't worth what he gets paid.

Who knows. I know some analytics favor him and lots of guys see a ton of potential in him but to me he just gives the puck away far too often. He is still young with room to go but I’m really not that big of a fan. Anything over 2 mill is too much for what he brings.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Who knows. I know some analytics favor him and lots of guys see a ton of potential in him but to me he just gives the puck away far too often. He is still young with room to go but I’m really not that big of a fan. Anything over 2 mill is too much for what he brings.

Anything beyond $2 million and you're just paying him for potential and because you're scared of losing an asset for nothing unless it's longer than 2 years.

 

[brentashton]

Holland 'squeezed' him last year so I have no issue with him doing so.

Yep. No one should expect him to discount his services 2 years in a row. In fact I remember Holland saying last year he’d “take care of McLeod” this year because he did so. The fact that Ryan is filling for arb suggests his definition of being taken care differs greatly from GMKH. Kinda Disappointed in Ken if so.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

it is too much money tied up on the bottom pairing. 2 to 4 M is ideal and lets you upgrade in another area

Kulak + Ceci = 6 million
Hague + Whitecloud = 5.044 million
Johnson + Girard = 5.775 million
Forbort + Orlov = 8.1 million

 

[CycloneSweep]

Yep. No one should expect him to discount his services 2 years in a row. In fact I remember Holland saying last year he’d “take care of McLeod” this year because he did so. The fact that Ryan is filling for arb suggests his definition of being taken care differs greatly from GMKH. Kinda Disappointed in Ken if so.

It’s business. McLeod is like, our 9th best forward so there is only so much you can afford to pay him. Imho our entire top 6, Foegele and Janmark are better.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Yep. No one should expect him to discount his services 2 years in a row. In fact I remember Holland saying last year he’d “take care of McLeod” this year because he did so. The fact that Ryan is filling for arb suggests his definition of being taken care differs greatly from GMKH. Kinda Disappointed in Ken if so.

He made less last season than he did the previous season. Can't fault the player who has yet to get his big pay day from going for the $ here.

 

[McDNicks17]

Conspiracy theory: McLeod already has a deal done, but they need his arbitration to open the second buyout window to buyout Campbell.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Conspiracy theory: McLeod already has a deal done, but they need his arbitration to open the second buyout window to buyout Campbell.

Only counts if arbitration is awarded. If he signs before that no window

 

[Mr Sakich]

Every year without fail the org pushes some underserved optimism on Broberg that he is all of sudden ready for a level above him that seems unrealistic.

I will say Broberg is somewhat proven that he can eat easy 3rd pairing d-minutes, the next step would be eating normal 3rd pairing minutes and the step above that would be eating somewhat sheltered 2nd pairing minutes which you aren't likely to get with Ekholm.

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As an aside Ekholm is tremendous with young D and out of all the players we currently have, Ek is the one I'd have the most interest in hiring to the coaching staff when he retires

One of the most important roles of a guy like Ekholm is to train the young dmen. He is so solid that he will slow down the game for Broberg. We have seen what the master did with his student (Bouchard) last year. Now it is Broberg's turn

We are good enough to suffer the growing pains for 60 games but I would think this becomes an absolute legit pairing in the playoffs.

 

[K1984]

I think that's not worth a shit for a multitude of reasons.

#1-Nurse/Bouchard have not shown near the chemistry that Ekholm-Bouchard have and risking crashing Bouchard's confidence is not worth it just to polish the turd that is Nurse's contract.

#2-We're trusting a guy with a top 4 role out of camp that we trusted would be a 3rd pairing guy right out of camp last season. Fool me once...

#3-Who is the puck mover between Kulak and Ceci? Broberg or Desharnais based on pay and experience should be in one of these spots. If we are good with a 3rd pairing of Kulak-Ceci that should only be because we have 4 defenseman that are superior to them and quite frankly I don't see Broberg as being superior to either guy yet, not even close actually.

#4-Expecting anything outside of a 3rd pairing/#7D spot out of both of Broberg-Desharnais is a fail. Desharnais is at an age that I don't see a ton of improvement from him going forward so he's a good candidate as a #6/#7 guy because he's cheap and brings bite to the back end.

#5-We saw the impact that Ekholm made on the team, why not move mountains to try and add an actual top 4 RHD? Allow Bouchard to pair with Ekholm and find someone that can compliment Nurse to round out the other top 4 pairing?

#6-If we only give Bouch a 1 year deal and plan to tank his upcoming contract value by playing him with Nurse instead of Ekholm it likely hurts our team short term and maybe long term if Bouch loses confidence.

#7-Standing pat is what losers do. We should always be looking to improve the team. I would hope that our players reach out to Bouch and McLeod and help to get these contracts done soon so that Holland can get to work without 1 arm tied behind his back.

Agree. Nurse needs to be challenged to step up his game and cut out the stupidity and bad habits in his game, not try and resurrect him by breaking a player (Bouchard) that is already fixed.

 

[CycloneSweep]

One of the most important roles of a guy like Ekholm is to train the young dmen. He is so solid that he will slow down the game for Broberg. We have seen what the master did with his student (Bouchard) last year. Now it is Broberg's turn

We are good enough to suffer the growing pains for 60 games but I would think this becomes an absolute legit pairing in the playoffs.

I’ll disagree. Bouchard had flashes of great and looked good the previous season with Keith. Broberg hasn’t shown any of that. I’ve looked and haven’t seen good standout moments from him that make me think “maybe just maybe” like I did with Bouchard.

I think maybe attempt to see if Broberg can handle non incredibly sheltered third pairing minutes first.

 

[K1984]

I’ll disagree. Bouchard had flashes of great and looked good the previous season with Keith. Broberg hasn’t shown any of that. I’ve looked and haven’t seen good standout moments from him that make me think “maybe just maybe” like I did with Bouchard.

I think maybe attempt to see if Broberg can handle non incredibly sheltered third pairing minutes first.

The only time I remotely thought that is when he played a handful of games with Ceci around November 2021 when we had a ton of injuries and he looked really good doing it.

That's it though.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I think that's not worth a shit for a multitude of reasons.

#1-Nurse/Bouchard have not shown near the chemistry that Ekholm-Bouchard have and risking crashing Bouchard's confidence is not worth it just to polish the turd that is Nurse's contract.

#2-We're trusting a guy with a top 4 role out of camp that we trusted would be a 3rd pairing guy right out of camp last season. Fool me once...

#3-Who is the puck mover between Kulak and Ceci? Broberg or Desharnais based on pay and experience should be in one of these spots. If we are good with a 3rd pairing of Kulak-Ceci that should only be because we have 4 defenseman that are superior to them and quite frankly I don't see Broberg as being superior to either guy yet, not even close actually.

#4-Expecting anything outside of a 3rd pairing/#7D spot out of both of Broberg-Desharnais is a fail. Desharnais is at an age that I don't see a ton of improvement from him going forward so he's a good candidate as a #6/#7 guy because he's cheap and brings bite to the back end.

#5-We saw the impact that Ekholm made on the team, why not move mountains to try and add an actual top 4 RHD? Allow Bouchard to pair with Ekholm and find someone that can compliment Nurse to round out the other top 4 pairing?

#6-If we only give Bouch a 1 year deal and plan to tank his upcoming contract value by playing him with Nurse instead of Ekholm it likely hurts our team short term and maybe long term if Bouch loses confidence.

#7-Standing pat is what losers do. We should always be looking to improve the team. I would hope that our players reach out to Bouch and McLeod and help to get these contracts done soon so that Holland can get to work without 1 arm tied behind his back.

Do people not remember that Broberg got outplayed by everyone we had. They gave him tons of chances to show up in camp. Freaking Ryan Murray outplayed him. He had a decent stretch when sheltered to hell by then Desharnais stole his job. If Woody barely trusted him to play a regular shift in the playoffs why would he suddenly force feed him important top 4 minutes.

 

[Seanaconda]

I guess that would work if Petry would be willing to waive. SJ would not be the worst place for him to sail into the sunset. They could also flip him I suppose. He's still got some game left.

Granlund is an interesting case. He goes from buyout candidate to stud and back on an almost yearly basis.


Add in Tarasenko at $3-4M. It seems to me that some teams don't actually believe that there is a salary cap.

I mean i don't think the canes have really been a team that has had a problem cap wise at all

 

[belair]

Conspiracy theory: McLeod already has a deal done, but they need his arbitration to open the second buyout window to buyout Campbell.

The arbitration date also protects him from being offered an offersheet IIRC. And it's pretty likely that Bouchard's negotiation is at the top of Holland's itinerary.

I mean not entirely concerned about this. They've got flexibility to get both of these guys under contract. Even if it's just for a year, kicking the can down the road.

 

[CycloneSweep]

The arbitration date also protects him from being offered an offersheet IIRC. And it's pretty likely that Bouchard's negotiation is at the top of Holland's itinerary.

I mean not entirely concerned about this. They've got flexibility to get both of these guys under contract. Even if it's just for a year, kicking the can down the road.

Not really. 6.5 mill total for them and a 4c. Not a lot of room

 

[belair]

Not really. 6.5 mill total for them and a 4c. Not a lot of room

They technically have their 4C. They can continue signing FAs making less than $1m. They just aren't guaranteed a roster spot.

 

[McDNicks17]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but here's the 22 players who filed for arb.

Morgan Barron (Winnipeg Jets)
Will Borgen (Seattle Kraken)
Noah Cates (Philadelphia Flyers)
Ross Colton (Colorado Avalanche)
Brandon Duhaime (Minnesota Wild)
Vince Dunn (Seattle Kraken)
Cale Fleury (Seattle Kraken)
Trent Frederic (Boston Bruins)
Filip Gustavsson (Minnesota Wild)
Brett Howden (Vegas Golden Knights)
Tanner Jeannot (Tampa Bay Lightning)
Philipp Kurashev (Chicago Blackhawks)
Jack McBain (Arizona Coyotes)
Ryan McLeod (Edmonton Oilers)
Ian Mitchell (Boston Bruins)
Drew O’Connor (Pittsburgh Penguins)
Ilya Samsonov (Toronto Maple Leafs)
Brandon Scanlin (New York Rangers)
Jeremy Swayman (Boston Bruins)
Troy Terry (Anaheim Ducks)
Alexei Toropchenko (St. Louis Blues)
Gabriel Vilardi (Winnipeg Jets)

 

[brentashton]

It’s business. McLeod is like, our 9th best forward so there is only so much you can afford to pay him. Imho our entire top 6, Foegele and Janmark are better.

It is. But when you scratch the GMs back because he has an itch he can’t reach, you can’t be faulted when it’s time to have your own itch scratched.

 

[brentashton]

Conspiracy theory: McLeod already has a deal done, but they need his arbitration to open the second buyout window to buyout Campbell.

Continuing the cat theme that seems to run amok here…

 

[Broberg Speed]

McLeod filing for arbitration sucks and pretty much directly means we can’t add anyone else to the roster.

Should have already traded him in a package. His value is zilch on the market now.

McLeod can be a third-line center but not on a contender. He's a young gun.