Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | What Do Our RFA's Sign For Edition

[McShogun99]

The talk around here is Pesce for Nylander close to straightup.

I'd believe that because Treveling is the Leafs GM. The trade is one for one.

 

[iCanada]

Honestly I dont mind Holloway and Lavoie/Bourgault being filler on a 2nd/3rd line.

Kane - McDavid - Brown
Holloway - Drai - Hyman
Foegele - Nuge - Bourgault/Lavoie
Janmark - McLeod - Ryan

Not ideal but still one of the best forward cores in the league. Worst case scenario based on what we have heard we sign a depth forward play Nuge in the top 6 and that would kick Bourgault/Lavoie off the team.

I don't mind Holloway, but we're not at the time in this teams life cycle to give raw rookies top 6 minutes just for shits and giggles.

Hard no imo to Lavoie or Borgault at those spots, imo.

 

[Canovin]

Acquiring Pesce or a goalie like Saros should be top priority.

 

[GOilers88]

Acquiring Pesce or a goalie like Saros should be top priority.

What are they trading to acquire Saros? The ask would be astronomical.

 

[Macblender]

I don't mind Holloway, but we're not at the time in this teams life cycle to give raw rookies top 6 minutes just for shits and giggles.

Hard no imo to Lavoie or Borgault at those spots, imo.

Fair but it is flat cap.

People have to remember we need cheap options and we can go back to stacking the top 6 and running 11/7 to get the rookies out of the lineup if needed. Or sign that cheap depth option at league min.

Dont forget the deadline is when we would look to add and buy a rental at a 50% retention amount to augment the roster. That forward core if we stacked lines is still the best top 6 in the league and without it is still definitively top 5 league wide and more than gets us into the playoffs IMO.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

some SJ fans are refusing to accept that as a done deal.

??? What do you mean? The Retention, that's literally a minimum requirement, unless they just want to have their team buy him out. It doesn't matter if they "don't want that" He's not Connor McDavid, he'll have to be retained.

f*** the Leafs

I actually think that's not a great deal for the Leafs, and I assume Pesce walks after being acquired.

I get they've always viewed him as "the other guy", but Nylander has really put up for that team.

 

[Spawn]

Pittsburgh is currently over the cap on 22 contracts, most of their team has NMC's or NTC. What would a trade for Karlsson even look like?

I imagine a deal would include Petry and Granlund as dumps back. Then the Sharks only need to retain what... 250k? Add some picks/prospects from the Pens and the Sharks save $17M down the line because Petry/Granlunds deals are 2 years shorter.

 

[McBooya42]

??? What do you mean? The Retention, that's literally a minimum requirement, unless they just want to have their team buy him out. It doesn't matter if they "don't want that" He's not Connor McDavid, he'll have to be retained.


I actually think that's not a great deal for the Leafs, and I assume Pesce walks after being acquired.

I get they've always viewed him as "the other guy", but Nylander has really put up for that team.

Hea been arguably their best forward, and they're treating him like shit IMO.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I imagine a deal would include Petry and Granlund as dumps back. Then the Sharks only need to retain what... 250k? Add some picks/prospects from the Pens and the Sharks save $17M down the line because Petry/Granlunds deals are 2 years shorter.

You might be on to something here.

 

[Oilers in NS]

I read he already signed in the KHL.

Gotcha
I was unaware of that
I’ll remove him from the list

 

[Jumptheshark]

??? What do you mean? The Retention, that's literally a minimum requirement, unless they just want to have their team buy him out. It doesn't matter if they "don't want that" He's not Connor McDavid, he'll have to be retained.


I actually think that's not a great deal for the Leafs, and I assume Pesce walks after being acquired.

I get they've always viewed him as "the other guy", but Nylander has really put up for that team.

on the main board there is a few sharks that will die on the hill of no retention

 

[Fourier]

Hea been arguably their best forward, and they're treating him like shit IMO.

Supposedly Nylander wants $10M+. Matthews want a 3-5 year deal probably at $13M+. That would give them 4 forwards over $10M next year (around $45-47M in total) with a defense that is put together with Band-Aids.

One of the reasons I mentioned Nylander was to counter the Ceci +1st sort of offers. Pesce is in very high demand right now and Carolina seems to want a high end forward in return not futures. To get him the Oilers would need a third team. Something like Philly sending Konecny to Carolina might be more likely but then the cost to the Oilers has to be a lot more than Ceci + late first. I'd love to have Pesce long term, but as a rental for that price it is a massive gamble.

on the main board there is a few sharks that will die on the hill of no retention

They don't matter. No team is taking on the full contract with no retention.

 

[McAsuno]

 

[Little Fury]

God they need an RHD.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I hope Broberg can step up. That would be unreal.

 

[The Nuge]

What’s everyone think of Denis Gurianov? Scored 20 goals a few years ago and has wheels. Could be had for under 1,000,000

He’s one of quite a few players I’d take a look at if they’ll sign for an amount that can be buried. Worst case is you throw him on waivers and have a good callup option if he clears

Why are we penciling in Holloway like he's guaranteed to be a difference maker on the bottom 6. If Gurianov is willing to sign for cheap, you do it.

Because Holland has essentially said he sees him claiming a spot. Holloway was also pretty good as a 4th liner last year. The offense just hadn’t translated

Doesn’t hurt to try. Ekholm is pretty good at babysitting. It just depends if Bouch is ready to step into the top pairing spot. If Broberg actually earns that spot, and isn’t just given it, that would mean we’ve got a really solid defense

 

[McHelpus]

If I'm Bouchards agent I show Holland this tweet during contract negotiations lol

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Not just Burns but supposedly Deangelo is coming as well. Not a lot of ice time to go around for RHD's.

Forgot about that gestating trade for DeAngelo. Carolina seems all over the map with their big money bet on a 30+ Orlov which is uncharacteristic for them; a nice retention deal pending with DeAngelo and the speculation around Karlsson while seemingly holding the financial line on Pesce. All while defense is a core strength of a team that didn't score enough in the playoffs.

Karlsson is a very hard thread the needle trade to make. Strange days.

 

[Fourier]

I imagine a deal would include Petry and Granlund as dumps back. Then the Sharks only need to retain what... 250k? Add some picks/prospects from the Pens and the Sharks save $17M down the line because Petry/Granlunds deals are 2 years shorter.

I guess that would work if Petry would be willing to waive. SJ would not be the worst place for him to sail into the sunset. They could also flip him I suppose. He's still got some game left.

Granlund is an interesting case. He goes from buyout candidate to stud and back on an almost yearly basis.

Forgot about that gestating trade for DeAngelo. Carolina seems all over the map with their big money bet on a 30+ Orlov which is uncharacteristic for them; a nice retention deal pending with DeAngelo and the speculation around Karlsson while seemingly holding the financial line on Pesce. All while defense is a core strength of a team that didn't score enough in the playoffs.

Karlsson is a very hard thread the needle trade to make. Strange days.

Add in Tarasenko at $3-4M. It seems to me that some teams don't actually believe that there is a salary cap.

 

[McDNicks17]

Holland should be fired if he goes into the season with a $6M bottom pairing.

 

[SDig14]

Holland should be fired if he goes into the season with a $6M bottom pairing.

That configuration does not even make sense. Your two worst top-4 guys in terms of actually defending paired together? And then the guy you want on the ice like 23 minutes a night in Ekholm, all ES and PK, is going to need to have Broberg play that many minutes as well? Unless they're going 11-7 nightly where Broberg and Vinny share minutes with Ekholm, but even then I don't see how this works unless one of Nurse or Bouchard take massive leap forward as a defender.

 

[foshizzle]

11-7 through the regular season is Pejorative Slured in my opinion. What a way to tire out your star players. This team has to be built 12-6 like any other team in the history of the league.

Woodcroft went 11-7 all playoffs even though no team in history has won playing that way- just way to taxing. The coaching staff were brutal these past playoffs

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I guess that would work if Petry would be willing to waive. SJ would not be the worst place for him to sail into the sunset. They could also flip him I suppose. He's still got some game left.

Granlund is an interesting case. He goes from buyout candidate to stud and back on an almost yearly basis.


Add in Tarasenko at $3-4M. It seems to me that some teams don't actually believe that there is a salary cap.

Haha. That is true. The beautiful thing about well run organizations is that they often have quality depth talent that can be spun off before the clock strikes midnight for cap compliance. Per your speculation if I'm Carolina I would look at a Pesce+ deal for Nylander over free agent Tarasenko. Looks like Treliving is drawing his line in the sand with Nylander while re-shaping this team to have higher compete support forwards like Bertuzzi and ... I guess Domi maybe fits that...

Lots of crazy rumours this time of years. Funny that Friedman and Pagnotta seem to narrowcast Karlsson to Carolina and Pittsburg.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

That guy thinks Nurse is comparable to Larry Robinson.

The Oilers need to stabilize Broberg as a legitimate third pairing NHL defender before even thinking of elevating his toi and quality of competition. Ekholm proved a perfect complement to stabilize Bouchard's game. On a team expecting to be a Cup finalist they need to stabilize and insulate and not overwhelm two young, developing d-men and not destabilize a pretty average defense corp as it is.

The missing piece is a top 4 RD who can complement Nurse and solidify the type of veteran, experienced top four d-corp that make up the backbone of every legitimate elite Cup team.

 

[Macblender]

I am completely fine with that D core but if Broberg flounders and Ceci doesnt turn into 2021-22 Ceci we need to get a significant upgrade at the deadline