Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Vegas Claim & Somehow Assign Lavoie to Farm... because Oilers.

oobga

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Would that have protected us from what happened? If so why doesn't everyone do it that way?

My understanding is that the best strategy is to waive a player is to do so when everyone else does, which is what we did

Wouldn't have protected us if Vegas still wanted him. Letting the dust settle a bit though, maybe you give Vegas a chance to grab some other player or make other moves, or just settle in with what they have and forget about Lavoie and whatever little game they are playing.

Still no guarantees of course.

Just everyone brace yourselves for Lavoie's eventual hat trick against us.
 
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Faelko

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Just take the hit and move on.
Agreed. If the Oilers really wanted Lavoie they had ample opportunity to keep him. They re-signed Perry, traded for Podz, re-signed Janmark, re-signed Brown and could’ve waived Ryan or Perry. Those are all bottom 6 players…let’s face it, the Oilers interest in Lavoie is luke warm at best. I’m actually surprised they put a claim in but I guess they probably wanted to try and save face.
 
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The only reason Lavoie stings is cause of the bare cupboards but really a 24 year old with 7 career NHL games isn't really anything that valuable, and only 2 out of 32 teams in the league outside of edmonton showed any real interest, and then sent him down to the AHL. He's not an NHL level player unfortunately. So it's bad asset management but he's not really worth much to begin with.
 

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So Gregor had Craig Button on his show on the drive home. He told Craig that he thought Colorado put in the claim the first time but then decided not to the 2nd time when they saw Kahkonen. He thought fans are crazy of they thought it was some sort of back door deal. So he asked Craig and his response was surprising.

Button said that lots of stuff happens behind closed doors and after hours. He said he wouldn't rule it out and that it happens. Button even went on to say he's done it.

Apparently he was able to acquire Dean McAmmond for cheap because of it.

He even said that teams trade information and help each other out knowing that those gms owe them one.
Of course it happens. Why wouldn't it. GMs talk with eachother, negotiate with eachother, trade favors, find ways to benefit their teams.

That's why connections are important in this League. That's why despite being senile, Holland was able to use this connections to get us out of some binds.

What's done is done though. Broberg and Holloway, 2 stud prospects are lost for barely anything. Lavoie was stolen-ish.

I don't expect Bowman to be able to prevent these situations, he came into this situation with hands tied behind his back, cap space already used in free agency, just reacting to what was already in place by the Holland and JJ.

But Bowman better start showing some teeth fast, cause this team's future is looking bleak right now.
 
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The only reason Lavoie stings is cause of the bare cupboards but really a 24 year old with 7 career NHL games isn't really anything that valuable, and only 2 out of 32 teams in the league outside of edmonton showed any real interest, and then sent him down to the AHL. He's not an NHL level player unfortunately. So it's bad asset management but he's not really worth much to begin with.
You get it.

He’s valuable because it’s what’s left over. But it’s like saying the moldy loaf of bread in the cupboard is desirable. The team needs to win now and be damned about what the future looks like. Once the window closes then you start the rebuild all over again.
 

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The only reason Lavoie stings is cause of the bare cupboards but really a 24 year old with 7 career NHL games isn't really anything that valuable, and only 2 out of 32 teams in the league outside of edmonton showed any real interest, and then sent him down to the AHL. He's not an NHL level player unfortunately. So it's bad asset management but he's not really worth much to begin with.
This exactly. People are upset about losing Broberg and Holloway and tying this on with that.

Ultimately the main issue is Holland’s piss poor drafting.
 

Tobias Kahun

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That's a goalie though.

But I agree there's no conspiracy. It's just a gamble Vegas took, and it's not like there was a scenario that cost them anything so it just makes sense

I hope maybe how pathetic our prospect pool is will make us a prime destination for prospect UFAs from college or the KHL or wherever
It’s still a roster spot, they can’t just claim 10 guys if they don’t have the open roster spots

Would that have protected us from what happened? If so why doesn't everyone do it that way?

My understanding is that the best strategy is to waive a player is to do so when everyone else does, which is what we did
Should’ve waived perry
 

Sheikyerbouti

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The idea this was poor asset management is silly imo

Lavoie's value is in the AHL, Bako got worse, it doesn't really effect the Oilers. He wasn't making the team, so he was bound to get waived again, not sure what the surprise is over. Vegas waived him too, because he can't make their NHL team either, and we are way deeper in forwards
 
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Looks like Colorado and Vegas colluded to use the stupid and wrong waiver rule to submarine the Oilers to ensure Lavoie wound up in Henderson. Of course Bettman will smile and award Calgary our 3rd Round pick because Oilers.

lol Two Mutts just listened to the Spector appearance on Gregor's show 2 days ago where Gregor speculated it was Colorado and Spector speculated the conspiracy theory and they're doing the whole "we're hearing..." thing?
 
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Barrie’s game has fallen off a cliff. There’s a reason he was on a PTO.
He may have ‘fallen off a cliff’ compared to what he once was, but I watched him play several times in preseason. He was *miles* better than Emberson. Barrie has lost a step and he’s kind of undersized, but one thing he isn’t is the kind of headless chicken who just throws the puck away in a panic every time he feels a little pressure. He’s much smarter than half the Oilers current blue line.
 

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He may have ‘fallen off a cliff’ compared to what he once was, but I watched him play several times in preseason. He was *miles* better than Emberson. Barrie has lost a step and he’s kind of undersized, but one thing he isn’t is the kind of headless chicken who just throws the puck away in a panic every time he feels a little pressure. He’s much smarter than half the Oilers current blue line.
I’m not willing to criticize a kid 30 games into his NHL career when he’s saddled with a 9 million dollar anchor.

I think it’s a good idea that they moved Emberson to Kulak’s pairing as Kulak should be able to help him in a way Nurse can’t.

Nurse is a huge problem, and Barrie as he is now wouldn’t be the one to help him.
 

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I don't really like the "victim" mentality on losing Lavioe to vegas, its the same thing with the Holloway/Broberg offersheets

its a dog eat dog league, why should any franchise give oilers breathing space in cap or a roster spot with Lavioe, everyone is fighting for the stanley cup on and off the ice and even the non-playoff teams will scratch and claw
Fully agree with your post. The Oilers made decisions from which the market acted on those decisions while valuing the Oilers young talent differently. The end result is their system has been hollowed out significantly. Now the Oilers are trying to piece together its right side defense with question marks and a platoon of #6,7,8 NHL journeymen.

Oil gambled with risky situations and were burned. Only one game but sounds like Knoblauch is already moving to audition a new 2RD candidate with PTO guy Dermott as next guy up. It's a problem position that is even more magnified as the Oilers season deployment planning changed on August 12. Now Lavoie walks out the door to a division rival with nothing to show for it.
 

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He was *miles* better than Emberson
Overall, but Barrie can't do what Emberson can, and Emberson can't do what Barrie does. It's a not a straight comparison, because it doesn't factor the Oilers needs imo.

Think of it this way instead: if Barrie was skating with Nurse, Nurse would be guy responsible for defense; if Nurse is paired with Emberson, Nurse has to transport the puck......................

Spoiler: there is no right answer, because the issue remains, and he's only going to worse lol
 

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