Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | The Road to the Draft June 28th and 29th

[RipsADrive]

Gavrikov extension just came through at 5.875AAV.

Upgrading the blueline via UFA will be costly if that's the plan.

 

[McTonyBrar]

The Yama love never stops. This ended up on my youtube recommendations, somehow. I couldn't stop laughing.



I don't know an Oiler fan that thinks Yama is anything or would be heartbroke at his no longer being an Oiler. This guy seems to think he has "huge upside"

I wonder if the youtuber is posting here. Seems like it.

Yeah seeya Yamo. Can't happen fast enough.

I love Yamamoto. I love his effort and the way he plays the game even though he is small. He's also scored 20 goals. But I am also realistic and I know we need an upgrade there.

I wouldn't rip a new one into him. It jinxes it just like it did with Ebs, Strome, Schultz etc

100% agree. Vegas also invested heavily in analytics so they are able to find those hidden gems. Oiler absolutely refuse to do that for some reason and have made poor choices because of it.

JP had great analytics. Just saying

 

[Fourier]

You shouldn't need a partner to stop you from doing stupid things. If you do dumb things as a D-Man, it's just your hockey I.Q. that's the problem. A partner can't play the game for you or tell you how to read plays, they can mitigate damage from the stupidity sure, but it doesn't eliminate it.

Carter Hart would cost two 1sts I would have to think (or 1st equivalent, like a Broberg).

Because to take Campbell that's a 1st, and then the 1st to get Hart himself.

Nurse needs a defensive coach to basically dictate to him exactly what is expected of him and where he is supposed to be in all situations in a system that is simple enough for Nurse to be able to play effectively in.

Trading 2 1sts for Carter Hart would be a massive risk even if it means shedding Campbell.

 

[McTonyBrar]

If true than it does suck , but Bettie is doing the job the owners hired him to do. I am not a fan of Marty Walsh , but do not be surprised at the strong arm tactics he will employ , but I will not predict how it may turnout.............stay tuned

Seravalli said last night that Bettman was using that as a negotiation tactic and that he still believes it will rise around 3 million. I'm not sure why but I'll take Frank's word over this Vegas/Arizona loving troll f***ed little squirt of a human being

Ekholm came in at $6 million. Is he a #4? Is Nurse a true #1?

So you're saying we can easily get a #1 Dman at 4-5 million? LMAO

 

[Fourier]

Gavrikov extension just came through at 5.875AAV.

Upgrading the blueline via UFA will be costly if that's the plan.

There you go. I doubt he would have signed in Edmonton for less than $7M. It was also a 2 year deal. Clearly he want to see what he can get when the cap goes up to well over $90M at the end of this deal.

 

[McTonyBrar]

You shouldn't need a partner to stop you from doing stupid things. If you do dumb things as a D-Man, it's just your hockey I.Q. that's the problem. A partner can't play the game for you or tell you how to read plays, they can mitigate damage from the stupidity sure, but it doesn't eliminate it.

Carter Hart would cost two 1sts I would have to think (or 1st equivalent, like a Broberg).

Because to take Campbell that's a 1st, and then the 1st to get Hart himself.

Nurse needs a defensive coach to basically dictate to him exactly what is expected of him and where he is supposed to be in all situations in a system that is simple enough for Nurse to be able to play effectively in.

Isn't it obvious that his hockey IQ isn't as high as other #1 Dmen? It's also because Nurse is NOT a #1 Dman. He's a #2 Dman who is overpaid. It's why a Dman like a Pulock etc will be better on his pair. Barrie wasn't completely solid but when he was with Nurse both were great that one year.

 

[McTonyBrar]

That's pretty cool

 

[McJadeddog]

There you go. I doubt he would have signed in Edmonton for less than $7M. It was also a 2 year deal. Clearly he want to see what he can get when the cap goes up to well over $90M at the end of this deal.

Your are 100% gonna see a bunch more 1 and 2 year deals this UFA season, as players want to wait out the cap raise.

 

[McDoused]

LA now has 7M to sign 5 guys including Vilardi and a starting goaltender. You have to think Iaffalo or RV is on the way out.

 

[Fourier]

Ekholm came in at $6 million. Is he a #4? Is Nurse a true #1?

Ekholm is 33 years old and he signed at a real bargain. But he still cost 2 firsts plus a guy who was putting up 40-50 points on the back end. Barrie had 12 points in 24 games with the Preds. He is still one of the better offensive defensemen in the league. Duplicating that deal will be hard to do as it was probably one of the best trades in the last few years. But even if you were to repeat that deal you would be spending all of you liquid assets to gain $3M in cap space without actually improving the team. You could more than that by buying out Yamamoto and trading Foegele.

Your are 100% gonna see a bunch more 1 and 2 year deals this UFA season, as players want to wait out the cap raise.

I have no doubt that we will either see these sort of deals or see players sign for much more than people might expect.

This is one of the reasons why I look at the projected mid points of contracts to compare deals signed at different times.

 

[JustHereForTheTacos]

no, not "any team" could of had Eichel, cause he had a NMC...Calgary was sniffing around and he said "hell no" to that...gee, I wonder why


again, they're willing to do "bold things" cause they can...
Calgary is a good example...if Vegas has drafted Adam Fox, Johnny Gaudreau and Matthew Tkachuk, do you think they're bolting for other cities? I highly doubt it


Vegas actually does do dumb things, like giving away Nick Suzuki...the difference is they just get the next player that wants to play there

Eichel's destination was decided by Buffalo. The general consensus at the time that pretty much anyone but another bottom-feeder was on Jack's list. The reason they went with Vegas is two-fold.
1. Calgary, like other Canadian franchises is risk averse, and the cost would have meant Boom or Bust, based on how Jack recovered, so Calgary wasn't willing to pony up enough assets to sway outbid Vegas, especially since it seems Buffalo really coveted Krebs.
2. Buffalo was/is having an identity crisis with a "no one wants to play here" fear, and getting a player like Tuch, that wanted to be there was a thumb on the scale in Vegas' favor.

That's what separates Vegas from other teams. They have no emotion and no attachment and would straight up take a gamble. Fans don't like it? Who cares! If we are winning they will get over it! That's the Vegas motto.

Calgary went through something similar as Buffalo last year, and after turning 1 year of Tkachuk into a pretty good return (let's face it, we were not a Tkachuk away from fixing our problems this year in Calgary), Tre made panicky emotion signings and turned two big assets (Weegar and Huby on team friendly last years of their contracts) into signings where break even is the best possible result.

Edmonton did the same last year with goaltending, so worried about being alone for the last dance they gave Campbell that contract, and with Nurse, who used a messed up season to make bank on an extension where he really did not have the Oilers feet to the fire.

And all the Canadian teams have their recency bias signings that age poorly, or the grizzled vet signings that just block out the younger players and accomplish nothing except eating up cap space to allow us to all watch with jealousy as other teams make splashes at the TDL.

The problem the Oil have will be how to not make things worse while trying to make it better in net and on D.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

LA now has 7M to sign 5 guys including Vilardi and a starting goaltender. You have to think Iaffalo or RV is on the way out.

I f***ing hate Iaffalo. Always scoring big goals against the Oilers and seemed like a bit of a pest. Not really an agitator, just a pest. So I hope Kenny inquires because I'd probably love him as an Oiler.

With the Hart gossip...Campbell has a 10 team no trade clause. I wonder if how he was handled in the playoffs and not given an opportunity to start one single playoff game he's quietly asked to be traded.

 

[nafrelio]

I f***ing hate Iaffalo. Always scoring big goals against the Oilers and seemed like a bit of a pest. Not really an agitator, just a pest. So I hope Kenny inquires because I'd probably love him as an Oiler.

With the Hart gossip...Campbell has a 10 team no trade clause. I wonder if how he was handled in the playoffs and not given an opportunity to start one single playoff game he's quietly asked to be traded.

Who knows? He'd have opportunity to take the starting job in Philly that's for sure.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

LA now has 7M to sign 5 guys including Vilardi and a starting goaltender. You have to think Iaffalo or RV is on the way out.

I think they want to move Arvidsson out and give most of that money to Vilardi.

So many teams are in tough with the cap, though. The league really needs a large escalation next offseason.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Eichel's destination was decided by Buffalo. The general consensus at the time that pretty much anyone but another bottom-feeder was on Jack's list. The reason they went with Vegas is two-fold.
1. Calgary, like other Canadian franchises is risk averse, and the cost would have meant Boom or Bust, based on how Jack recovered, so Calgary wasn't willing to pony up enough assets to sway outbid Vegas, especially since it seems Buffalo really coveted Krebs.
2. Buffalo was/is having an identity crisis with a "no one wants to play here" fear, and getting a player like Tuch, that wanted to be there was a thumb on the scale in Vegas' favor.

wow, I triggered a Flames fan so much,...he had to sign up for an account and respond...go me

and nah, Eichel was never gonna go to Calgary, even if they had the assets and cap space

That's what separates Vegas from other teams. They have no emotion and no attachment and would straight up take a gamble. Fans don't like it? Who cares! If we are winning they will get over it! That's the Vegas motto.

as I said, they can afford to take risks because players want to play there...see Eichel, Stone and Pietrangelo

 

[Frank the Tank]

I f***ing hate Iaffalo. Always scoring big goals against the Oilers and seemed like a bit of a pest. Not really an agitator, just a pest. So I hope Kenny inquires because I'd probably love him as an Oiler.

With the Hart gossip...Campbell has a 10 team no trade clause. I wonder if how he was handled in the playoffs and not given an opportunity to start one single playoff game he's quietly asked to be traded.

Iaffalo is also the King that looked like he was from LA with his tan, flow, and seashell necklace (I added the last one). So it was easy to embody my dislike for the franchise and city through him.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Ekholm came in at $6 million. Is he a #4? Is Nurse a true #1?

You can't get two 6M defensemen by moving out Nurse's 9M. You're looking at two 4.5M guys there. Who is that in free agency this year?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I know it's only 2 years, but that cap hit of $5.875M for Gavrikov is very funny.

 

[NotASheep]

I know but who's going to take him with 4 years left? The cost to trade him will be enormous.


It's why Vegas can get away with treating players like playing cards. You manage a team in Edmonton/Vegas the same way they manage in Vegas and the only players that would want to be here are players with no other options left.

no idea if Capfriendly is correct--but buying him out might be the best option instead of having 4 mill in dead cap space

Cap Hit Calculations​

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( EDM)
2023-24	$5,000,000	$5,000,000	$1,000,000	$1,541,667	$2,541,667	$3,458,333	$1,541,667
2024-25	$5,400,000	$5,000,000	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	$3,858,333	$1,141,667
2025-26	$4,200,000	$5,000,000	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	$2,658,333	$2,341,667
2026-27	$3,900,000	$5,000,000	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	$2,358,333	$2,641,667
2027-28	$0	$0	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	-$1,541,667	$1,541,667
2028-29	$0	$0	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	-$1,541,667	$1,541,667
2029-30	$0	$0	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	-$1,541,667	$1,541,667
2030-31	$0	$0	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	-$1,541,667	$1,541,667
TOTAL	$18,500,000	$20,000,000	$1,000,000	$12,333,333	$13,333,333	$6,166,667	$13,833,336

Not sure how that would work, but Kenny has checked in on Carter Hart?

or flyers called the oilers and it is being spun the oilers called

 

[Broberg Speed]

Sounds like Philadelphia might be trying to create the illusion of a bidding war. Buyer beware.

At least L.A. is making moves. Where you at Kenny?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Sounds like Philadelphia might be trying to create the illusion of a bidding war. Buyer beware.

At least L.A. is making moves. Where you at Kenny?

He's not giving Left Handed Cody Ceci nearly $6M a year.

 

[McDoused]

no idea if Capfriendly is correct--but buying him out might be the best option instead of having 4 mill in dead cap space

Cap Hit Calculations​

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( EDM)
2023-24	$5,000,000	$5,000,000	$1,000,000	$1,541,667	$2,541,667	$3,458,333	$1,541,667
2024-25	$5,400,000	$5,000,000	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	$3,858,333	$1,141,667
2025-26	$4,200,000	$5,000,000	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	$2,658,333	$2,341,667
2026-27	$3,900,000	$5,000,000	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	$2,358,333	$2,641,667
2027-28	$0	$0	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	-$1,541,667	$1,541,667
2028-29	$0	$0	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	-$1,541,667	$1,541,667
2029-30	$0	$0	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	-$1,541,667	$1,541,667
2030-31	$0	$0	$0	$1,541,667	$1,541,667	-$1,541,667	$1,541,667
TOTAL	$18,500,000	$20,000,000	$1,000,000	$12,333,333	$13,333,333	$6,166,667	$13,833,336

or flyers called the oilers and it is being spun the oilers called

Here is my concern about buying out Campbell. Why not just retain on him instead? Campbell has a contract of $5M for the next 4 years If we retained 1.5M over the next 4 years it makes his contract 3.5M which is actually palatable for a lot of teams.

 

[Broberg Speed]

He's not giving Left Handed Cody Ceci nearly $6M a year.

They should have kept Provorov. He's Nurse level.

So you can get a D for 4.725M.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

You can't get two 6M defensemen by moving out Nurse's 9M. You're looking at two 4.5M guys there. Who is that in free agency this year?

Last I checked there are many way to get to $9.25 million. All that I know is that Nurse at $9.25 million and then having to find an Ekholm level guy just so that Nurse doesn't shit the bed is a losing proposition.

Who aren't as easy or cheap to acquire and, most likely, will leave us wondering why we traded Nurse. We made mistakes in trading away Eberle and Strome because of play/money/hate etc and that did not end up well did it?



Couldn't agree more with you! It's true Nurse tries to do things outside of his comfort zone and that leads to his mistakes. That needs to be corrected with a good partner

Eberle stunk it up in his last season here and did not mesh with McDavid. Strome was a decent player in a bad spot, shit happens. The return was dreadful.

$6M these days gets you Ryan Pullock or maybe Weager. Neal Poink makes $5.875. Maybe you could get Gavrikov to sign for that in Edmonton, but it seems he was not all that interested.

I'd be shocked if you could find another available $6M defenseman who could replace Nurse's contribution without having to pay at least as much as the Oilers did for Ekholm. It would have to be someone like Parayko who comes with a lot of red falgs and who has never successfully carried a pairing playing the role Nurse has.

Nurse is probably a little over $1M over paid based on his current deal. He was asked to carry a guy who is probably a #4 who was also dealing with a significant core injury it seems. If he could do that he's be a bargain at his price once you factor in that the cap is about to rise significantly and that he was on year 1 of an 8 year deal. BUt he can't and that is why he is not a perennial Norris Candidate. There might be 8 guys in the whole league who could do that. But look at his results away from Ceci. They were excellent.

Nurse at $8.25 million is still an overpaid player. As I see it Nurse is paid like a #1 because until we added Ekholm we had no one better and no desire to push to get someone better. Nurse either needs to up his game like how RNH did this last season or he will likely be the Horcoff of this generation, a decent player that is grossly overpaid.

Seravalli said last night that Bettman was using that as a negotiation tactic and that he still believes it will rise around 3 million. I'm not sure why but I'll take Frank's word over this Vegas/Arizona loving troll f***ed little squirt of a human being



So you're saying we can easily get a #1 Dman at 4-5 million? LMAO

Never said any such thing unless you consider Bouchard a #1 and we sign him to a bridge.

Ekholm is 33 years old and he signed at a real bargain. But he still cost 2 firsts plus a guy who was putting up 40-50 points on the back end. Barrie had 12 points in 24 games with the Preds. He is still one of the better offensive defensemen in the league. Duplicating that deal will be hard to do as it was probably one of the best trades in the last few years. But even if you were to repeat that deal you would be spending all of you liquid assets to gain $3M in cap space without actually improving the team. You could more than that by buying out Yamamoto and trading Foegele.


I have no doubt that we will either see these sort of deals or see players sign for much more than people might expect.

This is one of the reasons why I look at the projected mid points of contracts to compare deals signed at different times.

I would be more than fine parting with the likes of Broberg, Bourgault and even Holloway if we could add another Ekholm level guy on D at a reasonable cap hit. Nurse left absolutely nothing on the table on his deal and seems to have hit cruise control ever since he got his new deal in his back pocket. If he wants to be the 2nd highest paid guy on the team he needs to train and play like it.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Last I checked there are many way to get to $9.25 million. All that I know is that Nurse at $9.25 million and then having to find an Ekholm level guy just so that Nurse doesn't shit the bed is a losing proposition.


Eberle stunk it up in his last season here and did not mesh with McDavid. Strome was a decent player in a bad spot, shit happens. The return was dreadful.



Nurse at $8.25 million is still an overpaid player. As I see it Nurse is paid like a #1 because until we added Ekholm we had no one better and no desire to push to get someone better. Nurse either needs to up his game like how RNH did this last season or he will likely be the Horcoff of this generation, a decent player that is grossly overpaid.



Never said any such thing unless you consider Bouchard a #1 and we sign him to a bridge.



I would be more than fine parting with the likes of Broberg, Bourgault and even Holloway if we could add another Ekholm level guy on D at a reasonable cap hit. Nurse left absolutely nothing on the table on his deal and seems to have hit cruise control ever since he got his new deal in his back pocket. If he wants to be the 2nd highest paid guy on the team he needs to train and play like it.

Actually I do think Bouchard, eventually, will be a #1 Dman for us. Nurse will always be overpaid and you, me or any other fan can't change that. The fact of the matter is he's actually a great Dman who sometimes tries to do too much. You can't discount that.

You also can't discount that, over his career, he hasn't had great D partners always. Bouchard got handed Ekholm which is great for his development. Nurse has always had to carry his pairing and got thrown in as a top 4 during the Decade of Darkness. He's had to go through a lot of diversity and he handled it pretty well. Tell me I'm wrong lol