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I'm a big Chychrun fan, but signing a guy to a big contract while your team is on an insane PDO bender is a recipe for disaster.

Give that team the 5th ranked onSH% and they're seeing a 20% drop in goals scored this year. They're going to crash down harder than the Canucks did.
They are not the Canucks man. The Vancouver players that were lighting lamps like crazy had little precedent doing that and were not fantastic players. They just had horseshoes any time they shot the puck.

Caps are a big team full of talent that are steamrolling the league. not the f***ing flimsy small canucks crying on the ice.

The only player that is getting outlier results in Washington is Protas. Everybody else there producing or playing at high level is legit.

Chycrhun is playing like one of the best D in the league. He's dominating games. 9m for a Stud D that is shutdown, that is offense, that is at prime is a good contract. Theres nothing he doesn't excel at.
 
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That Chychrun deal is gonna turn into the Caps' version of the Nurse contract. Good player but he's more of a #2/3 guy who is having a career year riding a whopping 105 PDO, giving the illusion that he's much better than he actually is.
Eye test isn't lying. he's playing fantastic. Has been one of the best additions to any team in the league.
 
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Eye test isn't lying. he's playing fantastic. Has been one of the best additions to any team in the league.
Chychrun is for sure a fantastic player. So was Darnell Nurse during that 2020-21 season that landed him his 9.25 milly. I'm sure we all remember that 70 minute playoff game where he was a force of nature and Winnipeg couldn't generate anything against us when he was on the ice. Chychrun is indeed a great addition to any team in the league. He's just not a 9 million dollar guy.
 
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Chychrun is for sure a fantastic player. So was Darnell Nurse during that 2020-21 season that landed him his 9.25 milly. I'm sure we all remember that 70 minute playoff game where he was a force of nature and Winnipeg couldn't generate anything against us when he was on the ice. Chychrun is indeed a great addition to any team in the league. He's just not a 9 million dollar guy.
I'll admit watching a lot of Caps games this year and figuring Chychrun is about the best D I'm seeing this year. Others have taken a drop off. The guy is legit, and I liked Nurse, but I NEVER at any point figured Nurse was playing as well as any D in the league. Chychrun is. Who is playing better? Nobody really. I don't even count pint sized D like Quinn Hughes because in my view their size is such a limitation. Chick is about the perfect size, strength, mobility. Guy has it all going.

Keep in mind cap inflation. This is 2025. 9m now is different than when Nurse got his. So in effect this is LESS than Nurse got. Factoring inflation and cap inflation. Its a decent deal. Theres no Caps fan that would be complaining about this contract.
 
They are not the Canucks man. The Vancouver players that were lighting lamps like crazy had little precedent doing that and were not fantastic players. They just had horseshoes any time they shot the puck.

Caps are a big team full of talent that are steamrolling the league. not the f***ing flimsy small canucks crying on the ice.

The only player that is getting outlier results in Washington is Protas. Everybody else there producing or playing at high level is legit.

Chycrhun is playing like one of the best D in the league. He's dominating games. 9m for a Stud D that is shutdown, that is offense, that is at prime is a good contract. Theres nothing he doesn't excel at.

Every top 6 player on their team is having a career year when it comes to shooting % except for Dubas. And Dubas is having his 2nd highest ever shooting percentage. Chychrun is seeing a career high in shooting % too.

The caps might be legit. But they aren't this legit. There is far too long a history of teams having an unsustainably high shooting percentage one season and having that fall back to earth the next to think the Caps will buck the trend.
 
Every top 6 player on their team is having a career year when it comes to shooting % except for Dubas. And Dubas is having his 2nd highest ever shooting percentage. Chychrun is seeing a career high in shooting % too.

The caps might be legit. But they aren't this legit. There is far too long a history of teams having an unsustainably high shooting percentage one season and having that fall back to earth the next to think the Caps will buck the trend.
Sure. Caps are not realistically the best team in the league. Sure they've had some elevation that is inordinate, and again primarily in the Protas numbers. But this is a team full of talent, name a few players on that club that are not talented. They are loaded. Caps are in top 4 or topsix in my book. That good. They are not as the other poster mentioned going to fall harder than the VAncouver Canucks who are missing playoffs.

With Vancouver you had a bunch of nobodies filling the net outside of scorers like Boeser, Miller. With Caps the guys that are potting are all legit production players.

Caps are also completely bending teams in third periods. They're strong, big and tough to play against. They wear opponents down in 60minutes and own third periods. Size and skill and strength. Very different team than the Nucks in that way.

I love big bruising teams though so thats my bias. Size matters.
 
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Scoring goals is still the hardest thing to do in the league, Chychrun scores a lot of goals from the back end.

No one would have a problem with Nurse if he was putting up 14-20 goals a season.

9 million on a rising cap isn't a static 9 million. In 2 years that'll be like what a 6.5 million contract is now.

People just don't understand this concept because the cap has been static for so long and/or they don't really understand the concept of inflation.
 
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Scoring goals is still the hardest thing to do in the league, Chychrun scores a lot of goals from the back end.

No one would have a problem with Nurse if he was putting up 14-20 goals a season.

9 million on a rising cap isn't a static 9 million. In 2 years that'll be like what a 6.5 million contract is now.

People just don't understand this concept because the cap has been static for so long and/or they don't really understand the concept of inflation.
lol we get the concept…
 
The Capitals win games on the back of insane goaltending and scoring on every single rush chance they get.

It's pretty much literally the 23-24 Canucks playbook.

It's every PDO junkie playbook.

Until there is a single solitary example of these surprise outlier teams actually extending the outliers past one year I'll be comfortable assuming it will correct, maybe even as early as Game 1 of the playoffs. The "holy shit I can't believe how literally everyone on the team is scoring!" teams usually stop in the playoffs. Flames in 18-19, Flames in 21-22, Nucks last year, etc. Kraken are really the only recent PDO bonanza team that didn't have things normalize in the playoffs, but did immediately the next season.
 
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Caps added Dubois, Matt Roy, Chychrun, Logan Thompson. That's enough to turn a bubble team into contenders
Strome too. Then with all that added help over last couple years the Caps have coming out parties for McMichael and Protas who were good players that were going to land and find their game. With Protas particularly he's too big and strong to move out of spots and can skate too. He's a f***ing tank.

The comparisons to Nucks are ONLY on PDO. Its flawed thinking. The top producers for Caps are Strome, Dubois, OV, Protas, Wilson, Carlson, Chycrun, all legit players.

In contrast lets look at Nucks last year. They had tools like Hronek, Garland and Hoglander among their top producers.

The other salient difference is how many fill players the Nucks had in the lineup last season that were somehow producing. Bunch of Teddy Bluegers. MOST of the Nucks roster were fill players last season. Pretenders, really.

A final difference that is key is that the Caps go to players are all big and strong and protect pucks well. The team is physical, but their star players are big and physical. Nucks top players are wusses like Petey and Boeser and Hughes. NUcks, in order to have some level of physicality in lineup have to play thugs like Soucy or Zads or Joshua just to get some physical, and those guys aren't good. When Caps throw guys like Wilson over the boards they can beat you any way you like, and they can play.
 
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I'll admit watching a lot of Caps games this year and figuring Chychrun is about the best D I'm seeing this year. Others have taken a drop off. The guy is legit, and I liked Nurse, but I NEVER at any point figured Nurse was playing as well as any D in the league. Chychrun is. Who is playing better? Nobody really. I don't even count pint sized D like Quinn Hughes because in my view their size is such a limitation. Chick is about the perfect size, strength, mobility. Guy has it all going.

Keep in mind cap inflation. This is 2025. 9m now is different than when Nurse got his. So in effect this is LESS than Nurse got. Factoring inflation and cap inflation. Its a decent deal. Theres no Caps fan that would be complaining about this contract.
I think a lot of us are watching Washington, if only for the Ovechkin goal race. I know I am.

Have to agree that Chychrun using the eye test is a top D this year. I mean in contention for best in the league. You could see it in Ottawa. Fans never give enough credit to a change of scenery for these guys. Seems they fail to think of their own lives. If you've ever been down in the dumps, stalled out in your life -- moving to a new town or meeting a new group of people invigorates you. Changes who you are drastically.

It's clear not only Chychrun but also Dubois fit well in Washington and are both looking like legit world beater players. Probs to their organization and we should look to them to see what they're doing to find success despite having nobody at 70 points. Believe we discussed this quite a bit the other day, but yes..Chychrun in Edmonton is our #1 guy quite easily.

Bouchard has his moments but Chychrun is a steady force each shift. He isn't making the blunders Bouch is with regularity. Worth every penny of that 9.
 
Strome too. Then with all that added help over last couple years the Caps have coming out parties for McMichael and Protas who were good players that were going to land and find their game. With Protas particularly he's too big and strong to move out of spots and can skate too. He's a f***ing tank.

The comparisons to Nucks are ONLY on PDO. Its flawed thinking. The top producers for Caps are Strome, Dubois, OV, Protas, Wilson, Carlson, Chycrun, all legit players.

In contrast lets look at Nucks last year. They had tools like Hronek, Garland and Hoglander among their top producers.

The other salient difference is how many fill players the Nucks had in the lineup last season that were somehow producing. Bunch of Teddy Bluegers. MOST of the Nucks roster were fill players last season. Pretenders, really.

A final difference that is key is that the Caps go to players are all big and strong and protect pucks well. The team is physical, but their star players are big and physical. Nucks top players are wusses like Petey and Boeser and Hughes. NUcks, in order to have some level of physicality in lineup have to play thugs like Soucy or Zads or Joshua just to get some physical, and those guys aren't good. When Caps throw guys like Wilson over the boards they can beat you any way you like, and they can play.

The bolded are the only players in that group that have scored anywhere close to what they are now in recent history.
 
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Bouchard and Dobson's agents today after seeing the Chychrun deal

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That settles it. I guess Connor McMichael is going to keep matching Draisaitl's 5v5 goal scoring. ;)
Problem is, and you know this, Drai is playing with ARvid and Pods. Who have been really next to no help at all. Neither of Drais wingers produce or pass the puck particularly well.

McMichael gets to play with either Strome or Dubois at Center, strong options, and with guys like OV, Wilson, Protas etc on wing, Backed up by Chycrun and Carlson.

Thing is Caps are a really strong EV club. Its the team, not the individual players factoring. Like I said Caps are just bending teams in third period and have been all year. Watch them dominate third periods and you'd follow some of the results.
 
Problem is, and you know this, Drai is playing with ARvid and Pods. Who have been really next to no help at all. Neither of Drais wingers produce or pass the puck particularly well.

McMichael gets to play with either Strome or Dubois at Center, strong options, and with guys like OV, Wilson, Protas etc on wing, Backed up by Chycrun and Carlson.

Thing is Caps are a really strong EV club. Its the team, not the individual players factoring. Like I said Caps are just bending teams in third period and have been all year. Watch them dominate third periods and you'd follow some of the results.
Drai is 68 games into the season and has only ever scored more 5v5 goals in two seasons in his career.

McMichael and Protas are neck and neck with Drai in likely his second best 5v5 goal scoring season of his career.

This is just another case of "no, my obviously unsustainable PDO bender is different".
 
It is when all of them post outlier seasons that are extremely unlikely to be repeated.

In any other year - not close.

I actually don't think it's that unlikely.

Logan Thompson has had a .915 season two years ago and .914 the year prior, this year he is .917. Even the one "down year" he had in Vegas he was .908 which isn't bad.

Chychrun has posted similar numbers offensively to what he is doing this year too before. He had 18 goals in 56 games for the Coyotes, he's always been able to put up points, specifically goals.

Even a player like McMichael, it's not like 25 goals this year for him is out of the blue, he had 18 the year prior (doubling his previous 9 goal season) ... that suggests a good upwards trajectory on a player. Strome had a couple of 60+ point seasons (Stan Bowman pick up too), I'm surprised other teams really did not buy low on him, I suggested many times the Oilers get in on this player when the price was cheap.

This is just good scouting and management. They're taking swings on guys who aren't far removed from good seasons and buying low on them, that's just smart.
 
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Drai is 68 games into the season and has only ever scored more 5v5 goals in two seasons in his career.

McMichael and Protas are neck and neck with Drai in likely his second best 5v5 goal scoring season of his career.

This is just another case of "no, my obviously unsustainable PDO bender is different".
About the only time Drai gets good linemates is when he's loaded up with McD and Hyman. That explains a lot. Unfortunately its been his whole career here like that with the club giving him not ready for primetime minutes linemates.

The caps go out on ice and one line after another is loaded up. All topsix good players, no pretenders. Oilers have been forcefeeding bust Podkolzin and old useless Arvid into that wood chipper. years after rotating idiots like Khaira or midgets like Yama into the role. it just never ends here. Maybe in the new contract Drai will have linemates that are useful. A guy can hope..

btw I have maintained all along that the Protas results are outlier. I've said that in nearly every post. But thats the only top producer they have that couldn't be expected. All the others are in the range of what they've previously shown they could get done.
 
About the only time Drai gets good linemates is when he's loaded up with McD and Hyman. That explains a lot. Unfortunately its been his whole career here like that with the club giving him not ready for primetime minutes linemates.

The caps go out on ice and one line after another is loaded up. All topsix good players, no pretenders. Oilers have been forcefeeding bust Podkolzin and old useless Arvid into that wood chipper. years after rotating idiots like Khaira or midgets like Yama into the role. it just never ends here. Maybe in the new contract Drai will have linemates that are useful. A guy can hope..
The Oilers should trade Leon then if all it takes is a Dylan Strome to get two guys with a combined 50 career goals to each match Drai's goal scoring.

Hmm or maybe it's because they're all shooting 20%. ;)
 
It is when all of them post outlier seasons that are extremely unlikely to be repeated.

In any other year - not close.
Their outlier seasons are actually obtainable again and over many times in their career. Do people not think Strome and Dubois be PPG again?
 

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