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[Behind Enemy Lines]

All of that wasn't going to happen for Dubnyk either until he realized that it wasn't just one team that thought he had warts.

Nashville that was a goalie factor tossed him aside for nothing.

Montreal fired him in the minors where he was god awful.

Sometimes guys need harsh reality before they can become good again

Agree, it's a complex position with physical and mental components to it. Add that success is significantly interdependent on the team in front of them. I had watched Dubnyk through junior as a draft eligible and closer when the Oilers took him. He could be really good but had some consistency issues with bad goals. But a guy that had the full package to succeed.

I dug up this old article about his fall and rise. A couple things stand out is being a new Dad while his game was cratering in Edmonton and the quick runs through Nashville and Montreal. The game's human side. And reading that Minnesota did a deep, analytic dive before extending him into his performance in Edmonton which suggested he outperformed expectation. How Devan Dubnyk clawed out of the scrap heap and realized his immense potential

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Dubnyk? He got a new goalie coach to re-work his approach to the game and saved his career.

Again, certain people here want give Schwartz a pass because they assume nothing can be done anyway, it's really stupid.

Getting to my Rodrigue point, for those in the back, Sylvan had the goalies he coached improve and get better, Schwartz has achieved none of this with the Oilers.

Not defending Schwartz's record, but the tracking technique that Dubnyk worked on to reenergize his career is the same technique Schwartz is an expert at. Back then, it was was pretty rare and considered progressive.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Not defending Schwartz's record, but the tracking technique that Dubnyk worked on to reenergize his career is the same technique Schwartz is an expert at. Back then, it was was pretty rare and considered progressive.

Great, maybe it worked a decade ago, because it doesn't work now.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Frederic might not even play a regular season game for us. Good lord. What an awful trade.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Frederic might not even play a regular season game for us. Good lord. What an awful trade.

Says who?

 

[Mr Kot]

Says who?

Me, I'm Trent Fredric

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Me, I'm Trent Fredric

Trent Frederic is a cat?

 

[CycloneSweep]

Says who?

Knoblauch. He said he is at least 2 weeks away. Which means the absolute earliest he would be back is April 5th against the Kings.
So at most he will play 7 games. If he takes another week cause it’s the Oilers 2 weeks always becomes 3 unless it’s McDavid….he would be back against the Sharks so the last 4 regular season games? Which will basically be the team just going thru the motions trying not to get get.
So we will have a guy that we need to play very well that will be going into the playoffs on a new team with pretty much no real system or team play. A guy who was also having a bad year.

Frederic could be good for us but this trade and his injury has set him up for failure. Traded what we got for Holloway for an injured 3rd liner having a bad year, it’s frustrating.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Knoblauch. He said he is at least 2 weeks away. Which means the absolute earliest he would be back is April 5th against the Kings.
So at most he will play 7 games. If he takes another week cause it’s the Oilers 2 weeks always becomes 3 unless it’s McDavid….he would be back against the Sharks so the last 4 regular season games? Which will basically be the team just going thru the motions trying not to get get.
So we will have a guy that we need to play very well that will be going into the playoffs on a new team with pretty much no real system or team play. A guy who was also having a bad year.

Frederic could be good for us but this trade and his injury has set him up for failure. Traded what we got for Holloway for an injured 3rd liner having a bad year, it’s frustrating.

That is screwed. He'll make one mistake and then he'll get Jeff Skinnered by Knob.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Frederic might not even play a regular season game for us. Good lord. What an awful trade.

Sounded at the time of the trade that part of the motivation was having the inside track to sign him beyond this season.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Sounded at the time of the trade that part of the motivation was having the inside track to sign him beyond this season.

That backfires all the time. I feel like it’s a 50/50 shot he goes back to the North East or St Louis. I think there is a near 0 percent chance he stays here. He won’t even have enough time to figure out if he likes the team.

 

[McDoused]

Frederic might not even play a regular season game for us. Good lord. What an awful trade.

So who should we have traded the 2nd round pick for instead?

Brandon Tanev?

Brian Dumoulin?

35 year old Luke Schenn?

Gustav Nyquist?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

So who should we have traded the 2nd round pick for instead?

Brandon Tanev?

Brian Dumoulin?

35 year old Luke Schenn?

Gustav Nyquist?

You are correct, it is also a problem, if they don't resign him, to get him and not have him ready until the playoffs

 

[Mr Kot]

Trent Frederic is a cat?

yes

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

You are correct, it is also a problem, if they don't resign him, to get him and not have him ready until the playoffs

Isn't this a bit premature until we see him in the playoffs? What if he plays a big role in a deep run?

still a lot of variables before we can evaluate the trade

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Not defending Schwartz's record, but the tracking technique that Dubnyk worked on to reenergize his career is the same technique Schwartz is an expert at. Back then, it was was pretty rare and considered progressive.

That said, some educators are amazing at their job. Others are complete shit. Can’t explain things, can’t build a lesson plan, half their class fails because they can’t explain concepts or demonstrate them. Schwartz falls into that category. Every goalie under his tutelage has sucked.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Isn't this a bit premature until we see him in the playoffs? What if he plays a big role in a deep run?

still a lot of variables before we can evaluate the trade

It is, but if some how they don't get a look at him in at least a week of regular season games, that will make it tough on the roster overall imo.

Plus his being out (though I like the player and the deal) is more glaring as the team has to play without McDrai for the first time when it wasn't the last game of the year those 2 times lol.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Isn't this a bit premature until we see him in the playoffs? What if he plays a big role in a deep run?

still a lot of variables before we can evaluate the trade

True. Playoffs can change everything.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Isn't this a bit premature until we see him in the playoffs? What if he plays a big role in a deep run?

still a lot of variables before we can evaluate the trade

Fair. But that’s a huge what if though.
This is a guy who has had a bad year, is still injured and will have like 7 or less games to get back into game shape and get on the same page and learn the teams systems AND get confident enough to get back to his game. This is also a guy who has been known to be a ghost in the playoffs. It’s a ton of risks for the assets we gave up.
He could be a great fit maybe but it was a ton of risk for honestly…a little potential reward??

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Fair. But that’s a huge what if though.
This is a guy who has had a bad year, is still injured and will have like 7 or less games to get back into game shape and get on the same page and learn the teams systems AND get confident enough to get back to his game. This is also a guy who has been known to be a ghost in the playoffs. It’s a ton of risks for the assets we gave up.
He could be a great fit maybe but it was a ton of risk for honestly…a little potential reward??

I think you're over stating it a bit, he will need to get back before the end of the year, imo, but I see the value in this player. He's mean, physical and has a level of skill. Pat Maroon put up 20+ goals with McDrai, and Frederic appears to be similar with better food speed, so there might be a value add for the shape of the forwards.

This is still to be determined though.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Fair. But that’s a huge what if though.
This is a guy who has had a bad year, is still injured and will have like 7 or less games to get back into game shape and get on the same page and learn the teams systems AND get confident enough to get back to his game. This is also a guy who has been known to be a ghost in the playoffs. It’s a ton of risks for the assets we gave up.
He could be a great fit maybe but it was a ton of risk for honestly…a little potential reward??

Yep I feel like with all the what ifs involved the price should have been lower. What’s done is done though. I like his game when he’s on so should be interesting to watch.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I think you're over stating it a bit, he will need to get back before the end of the year, imo, but I see the value in this player. He's mean, physical and has a level of skill. Pat Maroon put up 20+ goals with McDrai, and Frederic appears to be similar with better food speed, so there might be a value add for the shape of the forwards.

This is still to be determined though.

He could click with McDavid but we still paid lot for a 15 point layer on IR.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He could click with McDavid but we still paid lot for a 15 point layer on IR.

Yup, you are not wrong, he's young enough where I like the bet. He does bring something they don't have alot of on the roster.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Frederic might not even play a regular season game for us. Good lord. What an awful trade.

DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON OILERS TRADING FOR INJURED PLAYERS THIS YEAR

 

[Heavy Dee]

Sounded at the time of the trade that part of the motivation was having the inside track to sign him beyond this season.

Not sure about that. Read lots that St Louis, where he is from, would have the advantage. He would fit right in with that roster.