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Yup, Carlo was solid tonight. Also dropped in without a parachute into a tough road game and played team high 22:04 toi with top pk minutes 3:31. 6 block shots. 0+/-. Tons of trust in this player against an elite offensive team to drop in big minutes and top competition's lethal power play.
Got hemmed in his own end all night and couldn't get anything going in transition. Maybe some peoples cup of tea, but not mine. He defended well in his own zone, but dmen who get stuck there that often become a liability in the playoffs. It tires out your guys constantly defending and chasing the puck. Its kills your momentum. And more often than not eventually a breakdown happens or a lucky bounce and the puck ends up in your net.
 
Marner proved in 4Nations that he can step up in big games. Plus he already has chemistry with 97.

I'd love if the Oilers could get Bennett though.. another old McDavid buddy
 
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After missing out on Rantanen... I can see the Oilers big game hunting in the summer for another winger. Marner would definitely be on the radar if he is still available
I'd personally be looking at Sam Bennett if he makes it to UFA. A 1-2-3 of McDavid-Drai-Bennett would set this team up pretty much perfectly in the top 9, and you get the option of moving Bennett up to one of their wings when you need some offensive punch. Hell a Bennett-McDavid-Drai line would probably dominate when you need a goal or a spark.

Hopefully Davo has been in his ear since the four nations.
 
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As nice as Marner or Bennett would be, Oilers have to utilize that cap and get a goalie. Skinner is terrible. No matter who we get, we will never win or out score our problems (Skinner) come playoff time.
Well adding Bennett you'd probably be moving out Kane. You could also look at giving Bouchard a shorter 4-5 year contract to keep the cap number down.

They could do both they'd just have to move a few other dominos around.
 
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I think people might be overestimating this offseason. With McDavid being a UFA next year, it could be very difficult for the Oilers to get free agents to sign multi year deals. But, Rantanen was willing to sign here (same agent as Draisaitl) so they probably know something about McDavid resigning that we don't.
 
Well adding Bennett you'd probably be moving out Kane. You could also look at giving Bouchard a shorter 4-5 year contract to keep the cap number down.

They could do both they'd just have to move a few other dominos around.
I don’t think Kane is with the team next year. They will either trade him or buy him out
 
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Have a good cry and get over it. You realize signing Rantenan would likely mean not resigning Bouchard? Even if you dont resign Kapenan, or skinner or one of brown or perry and Klinger. So one of the big 5 would have to go for sure.
The cap is going to jump significantly over the next several years.
 
I think people might be overestimating this offseason. With McDavid being a UFA next year, it could be very difficult for the Oilers to get free agents to sign multi year deals. But, Rantanen was willing to sign here (same agent as Draisaitl) so they probably know something about McDavid resigning that we don't.
Rantanen would at least know that he'd get to play with Draisaitl.

If McDavid wants to stay then I think the contract should happen quickly. Just like last time, he is worth the max but likely wants to take less. So whatever he says it is, it will be.

So, I dont think it should affect our free agency that much unless McDavid wants to leave the team or wait and see
 
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I think people might be overestimating this offseason. With McDavid being a UFA next year, it could be very difficult for the Oilers to get free agents to sign multi year deals. But, Rantanen was willing to sign here (same agent as Draisaitl) so they probably know something about McDavid resigning that we don't.

I think its pretty unanimous in the hockey world after Drai signed his long term deal that McDavid is doing the same. I suspect he will sign the offseason, and likely early into it.
 
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I think its pretty unanimous in the hockey world after Drai signed his long term deal that McDavid is doing the same. I suspect he will sign the offseason, and likely early into it.
Going out on a limb here and saying it’s going to be the same 14M Drai signed for
 
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I don’t think Kane is with the team next year. They will either trade him or buy him out
I think you’re dead on right. Also I suspect Bowman is looking at Nuge too. I know we’re all attached to Nuge, I love the guy, but he’s declining, makes 5mil and it’s not gonna get better. Bowman doesn’t have history with Nuge, he’s gonna see a guy on the wrong side of 30 with a scary cap hit.

Also Nurse could go too if there’s takers. Horrible contract and we’ve got 3 other LD signed for next season.

Cap going up combined with moving a contract or two and this team will have plenty of space to re-sign McDavid, Bouch and pick up new guys and finally fill some holes.
 
I think you’re dead on right. Also I suspect Bowman is looking at Nuge too. I know we’re all attached to Nuge, I love the guy, but he’s declining, makes 5mil and it’s not gonna get better. Bowman doesn’t have history with Nuge, he’s gonna see a guy on the wrong side of 30 with a scary cap hit.

Also Nurse could go too if there’s takers. Horrible contract and we’ve got 3 other LD signed for next season.

Cap going up combined with moving a contract or two and this team will have plenty of space to re-sign McDavid, Bouch and pick up new guys and finally fill some holes.

Agreed. We won't be getting another 100-point season from Nuge...to say the least. I know everyone's production has dropped but seeing him get so much ice time and first unit opportunities and produce so little is a really bad sign, so if a younger upgrade or younger lateral move on the left becomes available, make the swap before his value withers away.
 
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Got hemmed in his own end all night and couldn't get anything going in transition. Maybe some peoples cup of tea, but not mine. He defended well in his own zone, but dmen who get stuck there that often become a liability in the playoffs. It tires out your guys constantly defending and chasing the puck. Its kills your momentum. And more often than not eventually a breakdown happens or a lucky bounce and the puck ends up in your net.
Goal suppression is a skill. Ability to defend an absolute vital function in hard ice playoff hockey. Taking on opposition apex players in PK is incredibly important.

Need to look deeper than limited advance stats information that bias towards x-goals chance projections. Huge chunk of the game is based on own zone defending and matching and withstanding opposition top talent. Goal suppression guys that play 20 minutes, start in a significant hole with heavy d-zone starts have value as evident in the trades for these types of players. Obviously you don't want a d-corp made of these players but they do critical heavy lifting work based on heavy own zone goal suppression, coaches trust to give them big minutes and play in critical situations like PK against elite opposition and close out situations. Even the elite teams spend 36-40% of games in their own end.

Funny how people were calling Edmundson the worse defenseman in the league yet put him on a better team and he's suddenly a +16 20:00 min defender on the NHL second best GA teams in the league.

In Carlo's case he will be a great complement to the Leaf's top offenseman, add valuable experience and critical moment defending work on PK and key situations in tightly contested playoff hockey. He was a top minute PK for Bruins last playoffs that was rivalling the Oilers own non sustainable 94% PK. His role is the help teams to weather zone time against opposition elites that's going to happen for every team and do the dirty work required to win games. Not sexy stuff when you start in a virtual hole every shift but absolutely essential to winning hockey games.

There's a reason NHL team look deeper than x-chances projections and value goal suppression skills and abilities within the mix of talent required to win playoff hockey.

EDIT: Just to add Colorado was an absolute wagon in the game last night. This was a four line domination that heavily tilted the ice and scoreboard, 34 shots to 21. Toronto walked into a buzzsaw and its new guy Carlo without a practice held up with the top toi, 22:04 and pk minutes 3:31, 0 +/-, and 6 blocks, 57.1% EV d-zone starts. All situational zone time 88.5 dz adding big pk time against a lethal Avalanche power play.
 
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Yeh, would have shored up our D if we found a way to add both Carlo and Walman. It is still suspect for a long playoffs run.
No chance the Oil had the assets to get both defenders. Both teams grabbed the right d-man for their teams and team needs. Toronto will need more shutdown capability against the elite Panthers o-zone time and heavy forecheck and Tampa Bay's elite goal scoring and shooting efficiency. Carlo gives them a real good shutdown situational pairing opportunity pairing with Tanev. And reliable defending support for their offenseman.

Oil needed badly to upgrade the top 4 of its d-corp blunted a bit by Kulak's critical work to slot in 2RD with 3+ more toi. Walman will give them a real good two-way guy who can slot in middle pair responsibilities and deepen the quality of Edmonton's blueline and flexibility with Kulak. With top pk toi it also gives them another valuable veteran pk option. This might include flexibility to play around with 3RD role split with Emberson and veteran Klingberg. Right shot d carry a salary premium with greater scarcity. Walman looks like a real quality grab with his utility and price point.

Versality is the name of the game for both teams in building up the quality, depth and player type roles of their d-corps.
 
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Agreed. We won't be getting another 100-point season from Nuge...to say the least. I know everyone's production has dropped but seeing him get so much ice time and first unit opportunities and produce so little is a really bad sign, so if a younger upgrade or younger lateral move on the left becomes available, make the swap before his value withers away.
He doesn’t need to be a 100 point player to earn his contract, but he needs to get 50-60 at the minimum
 
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No chance the Oil had the assets to get both defenders. Both teams grabbed the right d-man for their teams and team needs. Toronto will need more shutdown capability against the elite Panthers o-zone time and heavy forecheck and Tampa Bay's elite goal scoring and shooting efficiency. Carlo gives them a real good shutdown situational pairing opportunity pairing with Tanev. And reliable defending support for their offenseman.

Oil needed badly to upgrade the top 4 of its d-corp blunted a bit by Kulak's critical work to slot in 2RD with 3+ more toi. Walman will give them a real good two-way guy who can slot in middle pair responsibilities and deepen the quality of Edmonton's blueline and flexibility with Kulak. With top pk toi it also gives them another valuable veteran pk option. This might include flexibility to play around with 3RD role split with Emberson and veteran Klingberg. Right shot d carry a salary premium with greater scarcity. Walman looks like a real quality grab with his utility and price point.

Versality is the name of the game for both teams in building up the quality, depth and player type roles of their d-corps.
If the rumors of Oilers being in on Rantanen are true then they certainly could've spent another 1st+prospect+cap for Carlo with retention.

Nurse+Kulak/Emberson
Ek+Bouch
Walman+Carlo
 
Anyone wanna traverse that possible off-season pivot if we consider moving Bouchard's rights and try and sign Marner?

I think we'd have a pretty long list of suitors for Bouchard and could really restock the trade asset cabinet with a potential return.
 
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Anyone wanna traverse that possible off-season pivot if we consider moving Bouchard's rights and try and sign Marner?

I think we'd have a pretty long list of suitors for Bouchard and could really restock the trade asset cabinet with a potential return.

I like Bouchard better than most...but this could be a very good scenario for the team. Marner for "free" and getting to re-tool with Bouchard's rights would be great. Will definitely need to find another top pairing RD though, then,
 
Anyone wanna traverse that possible off-season pivot if we consider moving Bouchard's rights and try and sign Marner?

I think we'd have a pretty long list of suitors for Bouchard and could really restock the trade asset cabinet with a potential return.
Are there any recent examples of a team trading a young, star, right handed defenceman and coming out ahead?

There's a real shortage at the position and I think people are undervaluing how hard it would be to replace him. Yes, he is disastrous defensively at times but the team comes out way ahead with his puck moving ability and offensive skills. He's still only 25 and was fifth in Norris voting last season. He was also breaking records last season with his playoff production. I think trading him would lead to a lot of regret.
 
If the rumors of Oilers being in on Rantanen are true then they certainly could've spent another 1st+prospect+cap for Carlo with retention.

Nurse+Kulak/Emberson
Ek+Bouch
Walman+Carlo
Carlo is not Rantanen, a top ten player in the league and game breaker type talent. The Oil weren't going to mortgage their entire future to push for a second d-man, especially a right shot guy within very competitive market conditions. Unlikely they could match the Maple Leafs who have some good pedigree prospect overlaps to deal. This is a huge playoff and the Oilers organization may face some bigger roster reshaping if they can't replicate the deep run. Will need some assets to ensure flexibility of future needs.

It's a nice thought. I believe in having deep, versatile and ideally long d-corps for hard, playoff grind series hockey. Especially to help fortify volatile goaltending. But don't think the Oil would have won an arms race for Carlo and this roster post Summer of Jeff was left with holes in all roster areas. Oil made the best d-bet for their primary need with the two way puck mover with utility to play in all game situations and flexibility to move between LD and RD.
 

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