Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Murray = Depth D, Do We Add Depth Up Front?

[Cloned]

The biggest bonus to signing a RW like Virtanen is Ryan can slide back over to center and we don't have to watch Shore play regular minutes at #4C.

Isn’t it going to be McD - Drai - RNH - McLeod down the middle anyway?

 

[joestevens29]

It's unnecessary false information that creates distortion. Seravalli's a professional journalist who derives his livelihood from qualifying information from sources and writing or broadcasting it. Creating a fake news item attributing dumbness to Seravalli gets mindlessly circulated creating noise. It gets 'attached' to him in what is his livelihood as a journalist who's work is predominantly based on establishing credibility.

Should really ban tweets from randoms like that. So many guys doing it now.

The one day I was so confused and literally had to re-listen to a show to hear if I missed something as there was a tweet saying so and so just said this on the Neilsen show.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

The biggest bonus to signing a RW like Virtanen is Ryan can slide back over to center and we don't have to watch Shore play regular minutes at #4C.

Not if we trade Pulju

 

[McDNicks17]

Isn’t it going to be McD - Drai - RNH - McLeod down the middle anyway?

Seems like the Stauff has been pushing RNH at wing/McLeod at #3C all offseason.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

we've only used picks to move Kassian, isn't not like we are trading the bank. We have used our first round pick every year for over a decade, which is more than any contending team can say

Pulju has more points than Foegele and Virtanen (last NHL season) combined in way less games and that pick has a very low chance of panning out, and even if he does is 5 years away at minimum.

Jesse > Foegele Virts Pick

I would agree with this.

However people won’t like this but I wonder if there is a bigger rift in the room with the team and JP than we think. Obviously I’m just wondering out loud.

It just seems odd how set the Oilers are on trading him. He’s definitely valuable enough to not trade for scraps.

 

[Cloned]

Seems like the Stauff has been pushing RNH at wing/McLeod at #3C all offseason.

I’d be surprised if that happens. Woodcroft likes having 3 strong C down the middle.

 

[McDNicks17]

Not if we trade Pulju

I'm a big Ryan fan, but the team is pretty screwed if he's the #3RW next season.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If Pulju wants out and the feeling is mutual in the room then he needs to go. $3 million right now could probably land us 2 of Milano, Stralman and Virtanen or it opens up trade possibilities that might not be available.

 

[McDNicks17]

I would agree with this.

However people won’t like this but I wonder if there is a bigger rift in the room with the team and JP than we think. Obviously I’m just wondering out loud.

It just seems odd how set the Oilers are on trading him. He’s definitely valuable enough to not trade for scraps.

I think our perception of the situation is skewed just because it seems like there's no Jesse love in the media and suggesting to trade him is probably the easiest way to drive clicks right now.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I'd rather use picks to acquire players and not continue using them to trade players away.

Foegele, Virtanen plus the pick is likely more valuable than Puljujarvi minus the pick.

Not even close.

 

[KlefDown]

I would agree with this.

However people won’t like this but I wonder if there is a bigger rift in the room with the team and JP than we think. Obviously I’m just wondering out loud.

It just seems odd how set the Oilers are on trading him. He’s definitely valuable enough to not trade for scraps.

Thats one thing I will commend Kenny Holland on.

There were reports earlier in the off-season where it said something along the lines of "Holland frustrated with the lack of market/offers for Puljujarvi"

if he makes a deal where I can see it makes sense and can improve our club, I can't complain but if Jesse is the cap casualty for some low hanging fruit in return, then I'd be pretty mad.

I'd rather spend assets and get rid of useless cap space then to trade a useful asset for 50 cents on the dollar

 

[Tarus]

I can see how you see that however it was not my intention. sarcasm is a form of humor, not troll, which is what the tweet was.

It's no secret I'm not a fan of trading Jesse and signing Virtanen. not even because of his personal history, but because he's a horrible player

It's fine. I actually did mildly chuckle at the "good mentor for the locker room" once the impact of frank servaelli stating the Oilers are signing Virtanen to replace Puljujarvi faded and I actually processed the final line

My joke post about the mental gymnastics was entirely directed at your defense of the tweet as not fake, I was baffled about that one personally.

 

[joestevens29]

Belair posted in the other thread that the year that the Canucks signed Virtanen to his 2 year extension, they let Markstrom, Tanev and Toffoli walk. That is a pretty good indication that they felt he had something to give.

I have no problem with a PTO. Low risk high reward. Assuming Virtanen wants to continue with his NHL career, motivation a strong weapon.

Meh those guys were all gone by the time he signed. Sure he had potential and all, but it's not like they choose Virtanen over those guys

 

[CycloneSweep]

Thats one thing I will commend Kenny Holland on.

There were reports earlier in the off-season where it said something along the lines of "Holland frustrated with the lack of market/offers for Puljujarvi"

if he makes a deal where I can see it makes sense and can improve our club, I can't complain but if Jesse is the cap casualty for some low hanging fruit in return, then I'd be pretty mad.

I'd rather spend assets and get rid of useless cap space then to trade a useful asset for 50 cents on the dollar

Yep. I don’t know why people rather downgrade a player heavily to save late picks that could be maybe used in the future to get a player half as good as the one you are moving to save that pick.

 

[KlefDown]

Should really ban tweets from randoms like that. So many guys doing it now.

The one day I was so confused and literally had to re-listen to a show to hear if I missed something as there was a tweet saying so and so just said this on the Neilsen show.

people post baseless tweets about certain oilers players all the time (many even coming from media members) but one meme tweet making fun of matty and virtanen and we should ban random tweets?

we literally spend all off-season discussing 1% possibilities of scenarios which will most likely never happen because of baseless tweets and fun outcomes

I get the tweet I posted wasn't received well but comon

 

[belair]

Not even close.

I would say easily yes. Warren Foegele, despite the negative trade value, is still an effective bottom six winger good for 20-30 points over a full season. Add Virtanen and the trade return, easy yes.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

I’d be surprised if that happens. Woodcroft likes having 3 strong C down the middle.

McLeod is turning into a strong C.

He is much better as a C than a W.

 

[KlefDown]

I would say easily yes. Warren Foegele, despite the negative trade value, is still an effective bottom six winger good for 20-30 points over a full season. Add Virtanen and the trade return, easy yes.

bro if Foegele was an effective bottom sixer then we would have no issue moving him, guy is an anchor and its not like there is a long lineup for Virts signature either, the guy is getting PTO offers from two teams desperate for anything

both are no better than Archibald

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Belair posted in the other thread that the year that the Canucks signed Virtanen to his 2 year extension, they let Markstrom, Tanev and Toffoli walk. That is a pretty good indication that they felt he had something to give.

I have no problem with a PTO. Low risk high reward. Assuming Virtanen wants to continue with his NHL career, motivation a strong weapon.

How does signing virtanen to a two year deal relate to not signing a goalie or D man

bro if Foegele was an effective bottom sixer then we would have no issue moving him, guy is an anchor and its not like there is a long lineup for Virts signature either, the guy is getting PTO offers from two teams desperate for anything

both are no better than Archibald

Foegele is miles better than archibald

 

[Cloned]

McLeod is turning into a strong C.

He is much better as a C than a W.

I’d run him at 4C

 

[KlefDown]

How does signing virtanen to a two year deal relate to not signing a goalie or D man


Foegele is miles better than archibald

Pre-myocarditis Archie was the game guy but smaller frame

Fast, no-finish, hits things, horrible EV defense

It’s not really a slight to call him Archie. He is a player most teams would like on contracts under 1m. Same for Foegs

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I would say easily yes. Warren Foegele, despite the negative trade value, is still an effective bottom six winger good for 20-30 points over a full season. Add Virtanen and the trade return, easy yes.

Virtanen really has no value. There are barely 3 teams interested in signing him to a PTO.

Puljujarvi >> Foegele + mid round pick IMO

 

[CycloneSweep]

I would say easily yes. Warren Foegele, despite the negative trade value, is still an effective bottom six winger good for 20-30 points over a full season. Add Virtanen and the trade return, easy yes.

So. Negative value player, a literally nothing player in Virtanen and a late pick is worth more than Pulju? LOL

 

[CupofOil]

So. Negative value player, a literally nothing player in Virtanen and a late pick is worth more than Pulju? LOL

Is Foegele alone really that much of a downgrade on Pulju? I'm not so sure.
Before last season, he was roughly a 12-15 goal, 25-30 point 3rd liner with good underlying numbers, strengths and weaknesses kind of match up actually.

I don't see a big difference outside of Foegele having a down year and not having quite as much upside. If their contracts were equal, I bet the market wouldn't be too different.

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

Belair posted in the other thread that the year that the Canucks signed Virtanen to his 2 year extension, they let Markstrom, Tanev and Toffoli walk. That is a pretty good indication that they felt he had something to give.

I have no problem with a PTO. Low risk high reward. Assuming Virtanen wants to continue with his NHL career, motivation a strong weapon.

No no no. There is no such thing as motivation, redemption, improving one self. Nothing. Natta.

Didn't you see his KHL numbers? It's all down hill for him from here like our crystal balls say

Oilers seem dead set on finding a reason to get rid of Puljujarvi.

Maybe...Just maybe.....Him and hos agent have said "We want out asap"

Why is this never discussed. Why would they just try so hard to throw him away. I bet they put a line in the sand and said get us the f*** outta here. I will pay close attention to him and see what he does elsewhere in his top 6 role. He is just giving us lip service and being a good sport for an easier trade. I hope I am dead wrong BTW

If Holland needs space real bad, just cough up a pick and trade Warren. We don't need magic beans all over the place with where our timeline is.