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The LTIR Performance Bonus Pool and the 7.5% Performance Bonus Cushion are not the same thing.

There are two different LTIR pools of relief. When a team is using LTIR and a player with Performance Bonuses is recalled the team must have adequate space in the two LTIR pools for the player Salary & Performance Bonuses. If a team has no or insufficient relief in the LTIR Performance Bonus Pool then any excess comes out of the regular LTIR base salary pool.

When a team is using LTIR and a player with Performance Bonuses is loaned from the NHL to the AHL/minors/etc an amount equal to their Performance Bonuses is credited into the LTIR Performance Bonus Pool, likewise a similar credit for their salary goes into the LTIR salary pool. This is why teams prefer to have players with the largest performance bonuses on the roster when LTIR is invoked, even if those players are later sent to the AHL.

I replied to your post in the business section. Here it is if you are busy. Thanks.

Interesting.

So the LTIR rule takes precedence and the two pools created are not completely separate.

It also follows then that it would be a good idea for Edmonton to sign a 35+ player to league minimum and maximum potential bonuses. Send him down after two days and then leave him there indefinitely due to their cap constraints.

We heard how the league used some divide and conquer techniques to close the deal. There is no doubt that this rule benefits the rank and file while punishing the rookies and 35+ gang.

"Sadly, most details of how the NHL/PA have chosen to implement LTIR are not actually contained in the CBA. How performance bonuses are treated under LTIR being one of many examples."

Every time I peruse it, your statement appears valid for more of the CBA. Plenty of ambiguities.

Thanks for your time.
 
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In Leon's case, the worst aspect of his injury occurred in game 6 of the LA series. Had that not happened he would have been much more himself. Nurse was hurt in the last week of the season. Had he had the same injury in February he probably goes on LTIR. JP did sit out a month.

If you replace Draisiatl with Jake Virtanen that is a massive change to the team. It impacts more than just the difference between the two player's skill. It has a profound impact on the pp for example and it takes away a lot of the flexibility. If there is a legitimate need to use LTIR you do so. But resting a star with a minor injury is not a legitimate option. This is especially true since LTIR can trigger an insurance claim which you had better be able to justify.
Draisaitl was injured, inferenced from my fine tuned viewing perception, playing against Colorado and then again, perhaps compounding the overall soreness and damage, against Anaheim. I don't recall the date of the games off hand but both occurrences were during the regular season.

A wonky knee can be a contributing factor to a high ankle sprain when the player doesn't have the ability to properly brace himself at the time of an illegal blindsided take down. Leon was nowhere near 100%, in my opinion, headed into the L.A. playoff series. Of course neither was Nurse.

The first we heard about Nurse getting injured was the hip flexor, late in the season. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part believing he may have been banged up earlier during the year, because he played rather shitily for most of the season.

JP played extremely well to start the season. He was at a different level than most posters recall the player performing at early on during the season. Something unspecified happened to him between that time and when he tweaked himself during the awkward tap-in goal from McDavid. He never regained the form he displayed earlier.

I don't think Virtanen could replace Draisaitl's minutes. I refer to having enough affordable team depth to cope with an injury to one of the best players in the NHL.

I look to Pittsburgh's successful seasons with Crosby, Malkin and Letang. Regarding how many games missed to injury by their elite players and who stepped up to fill in to keep the club rolling along. Their club depth as the blueprint for the depth the Edmonton Oilers need to acquire to become a championship caliber team.

I do believe Tippett's system, or the lack therefore of, helped contribute to injuries, and there possibly may have been more if the coaching change wasn't made. There was no cohesiveness. What first comes to mind is Yamamoto forechecking and getting cranked into the boards when there was no set positioning from his linemates. Even if he wins the battle, and retrieves the puck there wasn't anyone he could distribute it to. Wasted energy.

I hope Oilers management and coaching staff devise a super intelligent plan to rotate our defensive corps involving as many players as possible. We could develop a bunch of young NHL defensemen while simultaneously assuring that we have a rested and healthy defensive core heading into the postseason.
 
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Coincidentally...projected fantasy starts for goalies:

1) Markstrom: 75


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If Virtanen signed for $750k and they waived Foegele, they would just be able to squeeze out a 21 man roster with a Shore-Ryan-Virtanen 4th line.
The savings don't seem like much but the cap works and it's a sound strategy.

Assuming Foegele doesn't get claimed he could be an emergency recall if needed.

The cap situation the Oilers find themselves in now may be different after the trade deadline. A trade could be made and Foegele could be recalled if enough cap is cleared.

Foegele could be recalled for the playoffs.
 

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Said everybody about Joe Murphy in 1989-90. Sather nabbed him from Detroit along with the kid line and Joe Murphy proceeded to put it all together and be our most prolific player over the next few seasons. A player so good he kept the Oilers as a playoff team, and a series winning team for the next few seasons. Was arguably even a huge factor in our 90 cup W. Not equating at all, not really similar in any way but of course reclamation projects can put it away in a new environment. We just saw Evander Kane have his best string of hockey ever.


Bennett to me was going to put it together somewhere else. He didn't fit in that locker room in Calgary and thats almost a credit to him. A lot of the scoffing about that player occurred simply because he was a flame and because of Flames fans inane comments about their players prowess. he's a good and worthwhile player. He was going to rebound in a eter environment.
Yeah, saying Sam Bennett would thrive elsewhere isn't really a hot take. It was pretty obvious that he was being held back in Calgary.

I'm totally fine with reclamation projects. If they've admitted wrongdoing and served their time or they've been proven not guilty, they should be able to try and get their life back together.

I can't imagine where Craig MacTavish would be in 2022.
 
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If Virtanen signed for $750k and they waived Foegele, they would just be able to squeeze out a 21 man roster with a Shore-Ryan-Virtanen 4th line.
It really could be anyone at league min and I'd probably prefer Rodrigues if it was possible. You could also replace Shore with another league min guy depending on who's willing to sign (Milano?).
 

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It really could be anyone at league min and I'd probably prefer Rodrigues if it was possible. You could also replace Shore with another league min guy depending on who's willing to sign (Milano?).
I think those guys are pipedreams.

They're going to have to sign cheap, so they're probably going to want to go somewhere where they get an opportunity to play and work their way into another try at a contract next offseason. The Oilers third or fourth line isn't really that.
 

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I think those guys are pipedreams.

They're going to have to sign cheap, so they're probably going to want to go somewhere where they get an opportunity to play and work their way into another try at a contract next offseason. The Oilers third or fourth line isn't really that.

Isn’t Rodrigues a RW? If so, a top 6 RW spot could fairly easily be stolen
 

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I think those guys are pipedreams.

They're going to have to sign cheap, so they're probably going to want to go somewhere where they get an opportunity to play and work their way into another try at a contract next offseason. The Oilers third or fourth line isn't really that.
A selling point for the Oilers should be, If you can outplay one of Yamamoto or Puljujarvi you're playing with either McDavid or Draisaitl. Imagine finding another top winger because they outproduced one or both of Yamamoto and/or Puljujarvi.
 

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The savings don't seem like much but the cap works and it's a sound strategy.

Assuming Foegele doesn't get claimed he could be an emergency recall if needed.

The cap situation the Oilers find themselves in now may be different after the trade deadline. A trade could be made and Foegele could be recalled if enough cap is cleared.

Foegele could be recalled for the playoffs.
Foegele cannot be an emergency recall. His cap hit is too high.
 

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A selling point for the Oilers should be, If you can outplay one of Yamamoto or Puljujarvi you're playing with either McDavid or Draisaitl. Imagine finding another top winger because they outproduced one or both of Yamamoto and/or Puljujarvi.
But if you don't outplay those homegrown guys who the team will likely favour, you're stuck playing with Derek Ryan and you're potential contract next offseason starts to look real ugly.
 

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Foegele cannot be an emergency recall. His cap hit is too high.
Improper syntax on my end. Obviously Foegele could only be a recall possibility under the assumption he gets waived, as the financial situation currently stands, if a player was placed on LTIR who possessed a higher cap hit than that of Foegele, or if the Oilers found themselves in an alternative cap situation. Should I have left out the word "emergency" and said recall out of necessity which is also cap compliant?

I assume you refer to the official emergency recall stipulation in the CBA. Which you should explain to me.
 

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Foegele is a better player than Derek Ryan.

Why not waive Ryan instead? The guy is slower, softer, older and injury prone. The Oilers are not lacking in center depth.
I'd guess Ryan is still going to be the second PK unit's center at least until McLeod is ready to do it more regularly.
 

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A selling point for the Oilers should be, If you can outplay one of Yamamoto or Puljujarvi you're playing with either McDavid or Draisaitl. Imagine finding another top winger because they outproduced one or both of Yamamoto and/or Puljujarvi.
The bolded applies to many, many wingers in the league, even some of them under $3 million.

Draisaitl was injured, inferenced from my fine tuned viewing perception, playing against Colorado and then again, perhaps compounding the overall soreness and damage, against Anaheim. I don't recall the date of the games off hand but both occurrences were during the regular season.

A wonky knee can be a contributing factor to a high ankle sprain when the player doesn't have the ability to properly brace himself at the time of an illegal blindsided take down. Leon was nowhere near 100%, in my opinion, headed into the L.A. playoff series.
Of course neither was Nurse.

The first we heard about Nurse getting injured was the hip flexor, late in the season. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part believing he may have been banged up earlier during the year, because he played rather shitily for most of the season.

JP played extremely well to start the season. He was at a different level than most posters recall the player performing at early on during the season. Something unspecified happened to him between that time and when he tweaked himself during the awkward tap-in goal from McDavid. He never regained the form he displayed earlier.

I don't think Virtanen could replace Draisaitl's minutes. I refer to having enough affordable team depth to cope with an injury to one of the best players in the NHL.

I look to Pittsburgh's successful seasons with Crosby, Malkin and Letang. Regarding how many games missed to injury by their elite players and who stepped up to fill in to keep the club rolling along. Their club depth as the blueprint for the depth the Edmonton Oilers need to acquire to become a championship caliber team.

I do believe Tippett's system, or the lack therefore of, helped contribute to injuries, and there possibly may have been more if the coaching change wasn't made. There was no cohesiveness. What first comes to mind is Yamamoto forechecking and getting cranked into the boards when there was no set positioning from his linemates. Even if he wins the battle, and retrieves the puck there wasn't anyone he could distribute it to. Wasted energy.

I hope Oilers management and coaching staff devise a super intelligent plan to rotate our defensive corps involving as many players as possible. We could develop a bunch of young NHL defensemen while simultaneously assuring that we have a rested and healthy defensive core heading into the postseason.
I agree with this assessment. I think Draisaitl injured his knee crashing into the boards against Anaheim and had some ongoing wrist injury as well before the playoffs even began. So, he had those two issues on top of a high-ankle sprain.
 
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Yeah, saying Sam Bennett would thrive elsewhere isn't really a hot take. It was pretty obvious that he was being held back in Calgary.

I'm totally fine with reclamation projects. If they've admitted wrongdoing and served their time or they've been proven not guilty, they should be able to try and get their life back together.

I can't imagine where Craig MacTavish would be in 2022.
Bennett is seemed had a ton of detractors on this board. Its the flames thing optic. I thought he was a decent player and more importantly he wasn't a dirtbag player. So he didn't fit the mold in Calgary.
 
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The bolded applies to many, many wingers in the league, even some of them under $3 million.


I agree with this assessment. I think Draisaitl injured his knee crashing into the boards against Anaheim and had some ongoing wrist injury as well before the playoffs even began. So, he had those two issues on top of a high-ankle sprain.
Basically every article, every report is minimizing that first injury. It bugs me because it tries to gloss over the usage. Drai should have been parked so that he be optimal in playoffs. One of the best ways to get further injury is playing hurt in really what were meaningless games down the stretch. Could have parked him for two weeks.

Often times when you're favoring one injury you risk another because your movement and reaction is not ideal. Playing through is the manly aspect. It isn't always the best thing.
 
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