Yes. It let us add Klingberg and Kapanen. We let Holloway go so we could add Klingberg…and Kapanen.
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Yes. It let us add Klingberg and Kapanen. We let Holloway go so we could add Klingberg…and Kapanen.
brentashton
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No because until you dip into LTIR space you accrue cap. We have been sitting on Kanes entire cap hit most of the season. Him on the roster would have actually allowed us to accrue even more cap cause he would be in the lineup and we could have sent someone down.
GhostfaceWu
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Oh yeah they will certainly see all of Tampa Bay Washington and Florida in the playoffs. Oh by the way they were what 1 and 5 against those teams last season and somehow made it to a goal of OT in game 7.
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But I think the difference is those players were actually ready to go. I don’t think the Oilers would have an issue if he was coming back but was 100% good to go. That’s just me speculating though.
I do hate Stone for the shit he pulls every year. Kucherov not so much.
Ok, so that is not what an appeal to authority is. I'm not saying "the NHL is an authority figure so my argument is right", I'm saying "the NHL is an arbiter of the laws of the NHL, and has told all the franchises in the league that stashing salary on the LTIR with dodgy injuries is perfectly legal". You can't say "TB and Vegas are shady with the cap" or "it's cap circumvention", because the NHL has ruled it legal. That's the people who run the league telling the people who work within the league what they are and aren't allowed to do. The NHL head office decides what cap circumvention is, there are no higher powers to tell them otherwise.
It's not about what is just or fair, and as far as the people who run the league are concerned, it's not cheating.
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They carried us to the Conference final a few years ago and the team is much better now. Our current roster can beat any team in the league over a 7 game series of the goaltending is reliable.
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It’s Mcdavid, if there’s a player you’d expect to do it again it would be him. Him and Draisaitl are near the top all time in playoff PPG’s. Mcdavid was the best player at the 4 nations against stacked teams trying to smother him. He’ll be fine during the playoffs.
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That's exactly what an appeal to authority is lol. You are appealing to the authority in the matter, assuming they are fair, just and correct, when we have tons examples to the contrary. I don't give a shit what the league calls it when TB or VGK do it, especially when as soon as there was whispers we might, the league said they were going to watch our situation very closely, hinting that it's suddenly a problem for them.
Sorry how do you know Kane is coming back at 100%? He may be a shell of what he was. Plus he’s 34
They aren't asking Kane to cheat. They are asking him to stick to the recommended time lines and heal up to 100% before coming back.
The problem is that Evander Kane only cares about Evander Kane. He pulled the same crap last year about being a "fast healer" and lied about playing through pain and being at his best. He would rather come back early on the off chance he feels good and just good enough to play.
He would rather risk getting traded so that he can play the last couple of games on the regular season. In his mind hes getting into game shape so he can prove his worth in the playoffs. He doesn't care what the implications are for the rest of the team.
If he's traded, he will be 100% and score at a 50g pace. If he's kept, he will make Pat Maroon look like prime Geno Malkin. #JustOilersThings
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I think that the bolded is a key here!
These three players had very different injuries. Stone had a lacerated spleen. He was in game shape when the injury happened and the injury itself would not have hindered his play once he was safe to play. Typical timing for that injury would have seen him ready to go at pretty much full capacity a few weeks before the playoffs.
Kucherov had hip surgery on one hip in Dec 2022 and Tampa declared he was out for the season at that point . He was back on the ice on March 18 and Point said this:
Precedent shows Nikita Kucherov case is caution — not cap circumvention
Players who have had the same surgery as Nikitas Kucherov say simply skating doesn't mean he's anywhere near returning to game action.
www.nytimes.com
The playoffs started on May 15th. So he had almost 2 months to get in game shape.
Kane had 6 major abdominal surgeries and before he ever started to do any real recovery had knee surgery. We are 6 weeks from the start of the playoffs and Kane is at a point where the most he can do is a leisurely skate. It could still be at least a couple of weeks before he can even start to aggressively try to get anywhere close to game shape. It's hard to imagine that he could be close to fully ready to go by the end of the season. He might be physically able to play a couple of weeks prior to the end of the season but it would be more like a guy starting camp a week before the start of the year after missing the whole summer training. Chances are that guy would not start the season.
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Imo we are a contender except for the goaltending. The veterans on this team might look bad in the marathon of the season, but they'll show up when it matters.
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I still don’t get it. They have accrued cap from before and they can simply send these players down if they really needed it again, no?
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Imo it's not about finding a doctor to go along. It's just about the player going along. If the player says that there is some discomfort and that they could use more time, no doctor on earth will go against that no matter what tests or observations say otherwise
McShogun99
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Kane was legitimately hurt and required quite an extensive surgery. The others seem like they were taking a break.
Kane would need conditioning to get back to game shape.
Tough call.
I'm ok with just a goalie upgrade especially if Kane is really back. Of course I would be happy with more but realistically...
Sheikyerbouti
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I agree with the problems pointed out in this thread. I'd add that Nuge, Ek, Rico, Janny, and Arvy look cooked and have term, Hyman seems to believe he's a 50 goal scorer, Bouchard's brain attends 1/3 games and McDavid is a pedestrian star now. It's looking grim
But, all we need is a good goalie for a legit shot at the cup because of McDrai. The rosters the last two years were much better but they didn't have this version of Draisaitl and we were saddled with bad goaltending.
But, all we need is a good goalie for a legit shot at the cup because of McDrai. The rosters the last two years were much better but they didn't have this version of Draisaitl and we were saddled with bad goaltending.
GhostfaceWu
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Lol how much anyone wanna bet you and every other neanderthal who thinks this way would be shitting all over him if he didn't come back during the regular season and looked terrible in the playoffs because of it?
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