Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: Help Wanted

[RegDunlop]

If that's the case, then there really shouldn't be an issue, he'll stay on LTIR till the end of the season. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Kane is going to rock the boat and try and come back with one week left in the season.

I don't think Evander Kane is that much of a price. He likes it here.

I also think it's a real possibility that he never plays again and this is all a smokescreen

 

[Soundwave]

There may be uncertainty, but you aren't losing anything if you keep him. Either you get the player you're looking to acquire with his $5 million cap space, or you get that same player AND Kane, who may not be 100% but still an effective player.

If they are shopping him, I think the easy answer is that he's not willing to play ball.

I think people have to understand he's gone in the summer no matter what happens, unless he some how turns back into like 2022 Kane, and even then that means then probably Arvidsson and Henrique both need to be dumped.

The Oilers have to jettison salary next summer no matter what, they may opt to take the chance now in a bigger deal if they can find a taker rather than in the summer you have no leverage anymore. Now a team may take him as part of a bigger deal.

 

[RegDunlop]

I prefer Binnington over Gibson simply for the possibility that Binner might fight Schwartz.

Post of the yea... deca...
How long has Schwartz been here anyway!

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

So what is the real deal with Kane??? I just read a report that said he is insisting on getting back on the ice ASAP and that as a result, as reported by Friedman, the Oilers are looking at moving him. If that's the case all I can say is CRAP!

The sad thing is they could have gone into LTIR and matched the Broberg and Holloway offer sheets, and still traded Ceci for Embersson and McLeod for Savoie, and then traded Kane once his contract changed Feb 28 to a 16 team no trade. Sure it would have probably cost us a 1st round pick but that is better than losing what we did and have all this uncertainty along with 1 bad season of Jeff Skinner.

 

[Wreckus]

Prob been answered - sorry to lazy to look up! - but obviously he can't go to Bakersfield for a C stint without cap implications correct?

NHL will need to approve it first I believe.

 

[RegDunlop]

NHL will need to approve it first I believe.

Really? So it is possible without his cap coming back on?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

HFOil also argued vehemently that Klefbom was better than Slavin.
I'd say judging dmen isn't a strong suit

Got any other examples that weren’t over half a decade ago and involving a player that had career crippling injuries before his prime?

 

[Wreckus]

Really? So it is possible without his cap coming back on?

Possible, but this is the NHL and Bettman we're talking about.

 

[soothsayer]

Well, you are potentially losing something. The opportunity to remove his salary from next year's payroll.

I think people forget that an underperforming Kane in last year's postseason, was below replacement level.

Maybe, but he was dealing with significant injuries during those playoffs, injuries that he spent the whole year healing from. I think it's reasonable to assume his poor performance was at least partially caused by those injuries.

And I would also assume that there would still be a market for him in the off-season, especially if he shows he can still play. Right now, I don't think anyone really knows how his injuries and surgeries are going to affect his game. What kind of return can the Oilers expect for him right now? A third or fourth round pick? I'd rather see if he can be effective on the Oilers than make that trade. I suppose I wouldn't be surprised if they're gauging the market, but I would be surprised if they are actively trying to move him.

 

[alphahelix]

Possible, but this is the NHL and Bettman we're talking about.

I think it’s also up to Evander Kane wanting to do a conditioning assignment as well, basically any party involved can veto it. And I think it’s a maximum of 2 weeks IIRC. So it’s not a magic solution given the circumstances, and people seem to be sceptical that Evander Kane will want to do anything to make this easier. I don’t know if they have reason to believe that, but multiple insiders are operating under that assumption. You’d think he’d rather play ball and do a conditioning stint than be traded off a good chance at a cup but there ya go.

 

[RegDunlop]

I love how the article basically makes the point that the Oilers suck at developing goalies and they’ll probably improve elsewhere without once mentioning Schwartz.

Actually, when I think about it - DD and Skinner are similar. Not right to wax poetic on Dubnyk. He was terrible even behind the worst D I've ever seen. Even Stu at current play wasn't that bad.
He had to go to salvage both his and teams position. That he did was incredible considering how much his game was off.

They are both local boys. Perhaps a scenery change for Stu, and an upgrade for the team will benefit both parties.

 

[soothsayer]

Possible, but this is the NHL and Bettman we're talking about.

I remember someone like Seravalli or Friedman, months ago, maybe November, saying the NHL is going to be watching this one closely. It pissed me off when I heard that.

 

[RegDunlop]

I remember someone like Seravalli or Friedman, months ago, maybe November, saying the NHL is going to be watching this one closely. It pissed me off when I heard that.

No beach or bright lights on the strip to distract them here

 

[Mr Positive]

I think it’s also up to Evander Kane wanting to do a conditioning assignment as well, basically any party involved can veto it. And I think it’s a maximum of 2 weeks IIRC. So it’s not a magic solution given the circumstances, and people seem to be sceptical that Evander Kane will want to do anything to make this easier. I don’t know if they have reason to believe that, but multiple insiders are operating under that assumption. You’d think he’d rather play ball and do a conditioning stint than be traded off a good chance at a cup but there ya go.

There's also a possibility that we trade Kane after the trade deadline. The rule for that is just that he couldn't play in the playoffs. So it's very good that we got his list now. There will be a team he could go to that wouldn't be heading to the playoffs, and who would take him for a price.

This would be smart if it were about playing hard ball with the player but in a legal way. Get the trade set up. Tell Kane that he has every right to activate himself and put us over the cap, but the trade would happen right after.

I honestly see no dirty tricks here that Kane or the NHL or the NHLPA could call foul on. The team is allowed to make a trade for whatever piece it wants. It is allowing Kane to do whatever he wants, and if the doctors force him back early then we have a way to honor the NHL's cap limit

So just spend his LTIR space and deal with this fallout later. There won't be any. He will choose to stay on the Oilers and find a way to extend his rehab to do so

 

[Ritchie Valens]

I remember someone like Seravalli or Friedman, months ago, maybe November, saying the NHL is going to be watching this one closely. It pissed me off when I heard that.

Which low-key may be why they could try and trade him before. For cap reasons as well but if Kane even puts his lips on the whistle that he was ready to play on a conditioning assignment in February, the league will be crawling up the Oilers ass and nesting.

 

[North]

I'd do Skinner for Jarry (50% retained). Both guys might benefit from a change of scenery. Skinner is more proven as far as playoffs, but he also has played behind a much better team, than Jarry has. If no other clear, realistic, upgrade at goalie shows up, Jarry is better gamble than Stu, imo.

He really isn’t. The only good thing about Jarry is he’s already in the minors.

 

[McDoused]

There's also a possibility that we trade Kane after the trade deadline. The rule for that is just that he couldn't play in the playoffs. So it's very good that we got his list now. There will be a team he could go to that wouldn't be heading to the playoffs, and who would take him for a price.

This would be smart if it were about playing hard ball with the player but in a legal way. Get the trade set up. Tell Kane that he has every right to activate himself and put us over the cap, but the trade would happen right after.

I honestly see no dirty tricks here that Kane or the NHL or the NHLPA could call foul on. The team is allowed to make a trade for whatever piece it wants. It is allowing Kane to do whatever he wants, and if the doctors force him back early then we have a way to honor the NHL's cap limit

So just spend his LTIR space and deal with this fallout later. There won't be any. He will choose to stay on the Oilers and find a way to extend his rehab to do so

Agreed. Rishaug keeps saying the Oilers are scared to death of what would happen if Kane wakes up one day and decides he's good enough to play.

1. If team doctors say he's not 100%, it doesn't matter what Kane wants to do.

2. It's possible someone else is injured and could be put on LTIR.

3. Kane has to be a real POS knowing that coming back means that they have waive his teammates.

Go and spend the money.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Since game 7, this team is not as good. The chemistry just isn't right in the forward group.

Foegele > Arvidsson
McLeod > Savoie
Holloway > Skinner
Broberg > Klingberg

Savoie might be something but he hasnt had the opportunity to prove it this year. Idon't mind some of the physical depth guys we've added on cheap contracts.

Ryan < Podkolzin
Carrick = Kapanen
Ceci < Emberson

We need to find a way to improve and not just sit on our hands.

The losses of those players set us back not just this year, but multiple years. The AHL team has zero prospects, and our guys in the CHL are years away from making an impact even that the AHL level. The only way to fix this is to completely retool this summer and bring in a whole bunch of guys 23-28 with actual scoring and skating talent- but this management group seems like they’re happy with the team, which is insane to me. Enough with old vets that want a free ride to the cup, unless they contribute like Perry.

Everytime I watch the Blues I’m so mad we let Holloway go. 19 goals and it’s not even the deadline. 200 foot, physical, big, hard worker, 1st round pick, and we refused to sign him for 2 million? What a joke.

Also, I don’t care how much some of you don’t like McLeod and his lack of physicality. He’s probably a top 10 3rd line C in the league in terms of on ice impact. We’ll see what Savoie turns into but McLeod will always be heavily underrated on this board, which is a shame because he’s a real good player.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Other teams just do it, meanwhile the Oilers have to make a spectacle about it with Kane lol. Another “dollar in dollar out” deadline while the rest of the contenders have an arms race.

 

[Cloned]

Agreed. Rishaug keeps saying the Oilers are scared to death of what would happen if Kane wakes up one day and decides he's good enough to play.

1. If team doctors say he's not 100%, it doesn't matter what Kane wants to do.

2. It's possible someone else is injured and could be put on LTIR.

3. Kane has to be a real POS knowing that coming back means that they have waive his teammates.

Go and spend the money.

Might be that he’s reached the point in his recovery where it’s mostly subjective now based on pain and how he feels with range of motion, so that the team doctors can’t objectively say he’s not ready anymore.

 

[Mr Positive]

We should try to get a more sure-thing goalie like Gibson but it doesn't have to be. There can be cheaper, riskier goalies to try, and we should at least do that. Even if their surface stats aren't great, on a new team and defensive structure they may overperform. There is risk with any player. Look at Rantanen. But, that can go the other way too. Make a smart gamble that casual fans will laugh at, but could hit and be our solution

 

[Heavy Dee]

Agreed. Rishaug keeps saying the Oilers are scared to death of what would happen if Kane wakes up one day and decides he's good enough to play.

1. If team doctors say he's not 100%, it doesn't matter what Kane wants to do.

2. It's possible someone else is injured and could be put on LTIR.

3. Kane has to be a real POS knowing that coming back means that they have waive his teammates.

Go and spend the money.

He is a wild card no doubt.

I suspect the Oilers have their medical reports buttoned down to refute any antics Kane pulls.

 

[Soundwave]

We should try to get a more sure-thing goalie like Gibson but it doesn't have to be. There can be cheaper, riskier goalies to try, and we should at least do that. Even if their surface stats aren't great, on a new team and defensive structure they may overperform. There is risk with any player. Look at Rantanen. But, that can go the other way too. Make a smart gamble that casual fans will laugh at, but could hit and be our solution

I think if you can get Gibson now you should take it. The Stuart Skinner experiment is falling apart, if we don't move on a chance like that now who knows when the next good chance is going to come.

May have more leverage right now that Anaheim has acquired Husso, Gibson got nicked up a bit it looks like, and they got blown out in Chicago. That increases our ability to squeeze them a bit more.

 

[Oilhawks]

I bet your view of him changes after you see him play for Florida. The guy always had the tools and the talent, he chased money and ended up on a bad team. Jones, as the number 3 D on FLA, behind Ekblad and Forsling, is pretty damn good imo. At 7 million, I bet he ends being a really nice piece for the Panthers for the next 5 years.

Nah. Good players can look good on bad teams. I’m sure he’ll be better on the Panthers than the Hawks, but so would most players. Big deal.

 

[McFlash97]

This coach is starting to look less appealing with each move. Savoie should be in over Arvidsson on that second line all day. Hes a more talented smarter younger player. Whats the point of having this failed experiment on Leons line over our best prospect ? All types of stupid written all over this.