Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[MoontoScott]

Heard from an unnamed source Taylor Hall was spotted house hunting in Edmonton, cannot confirm nor deny

I heard that Marner and Gibson were going to be his roommates for a while.

 

[McHelpus]

Hyman - McDavid - Marner
Podkolzin - Draisaitl - Henrique
Frederic - Nuge - Savoie

Marner wants 14 million, he can take a hike.

 

[joestevens29]

Marner wants 14 million, he can take a hike.

All I want is for the Toronto media to leak some bs after that the Leafs offered a similar contract, but Marner choose to go elsewhere.

Really get things going in TO

 

[CycloneSweep]

All I want is for the Toronto media to leak some bs after that the Leafs offered a similar contract, but Marner choose to go elsewhere.

Really get things going in TO

“Leafs offered Marner 13 million, but he wanted to win so he took 9.5 million in Edmonton which Toronto helped Edmonton clear by taking Darnell Nurse for free. “

 

[belair]

Brown beat goalies 3X. Two of his goals were ENG. Tabulations should separate those out. Not the same.

Brown has a total 15Goals here where he beat goalies in 155 regular season games (two full seasons) played here. he ain't been much. He's an ENG legend though.

Brown also is regularly elevated to play with McD. Not for skill or results reasons.

For puck pressure, retrievals and defensive acumen. He's also got a nice touch on his passes. You consistently undervalue the players you don't like.

At $2.5m, he's a guy that's going to consistently outperform his contract. If he wants over $3m, we move on.

 

[McDoused]

Okay guys, I figured out the master plan. Cap compliant. Just need our friend verbeek to help us out.

 

[Oilhawks]

I would of said the same thing about Trouba or Seth Jones and then both of them got moved and both of those occurred before a huge hike in the salary cap.

Easy for Seth Jones to waive to a contender with no state tax. My feeling is more that Nurse won't waive. Could be wrong, though. Trouba could be a Nurse type situation, got pretty toxic with him and the org, not so much for Nurse here (just toxic with the fanbase)

 

[K1900L]

I haven't seen much of Savoie last season.
Does anyone have a grasp of his situation? Is it likely that he will join the roster? Where would he slot in?
He's a smaller guy and I always had the impression that Knob doesn't like small players (Skinner, Arvidsson, Stecher etc), so I don't know if Knob would use him the way his game requires him to do.

You basically have to hope that he will build great chemistry with Draisaitl on that 2nd line, no? You shape Savoie in a way where it becomes his main task to be Draisaitl's sidekick, maybe some sort of a Guentzel or Marner light (without the superstar numbers, but with a similar game)? You maybe force them onto the same line for straight 82 games next season to build that chemistry and tell Draisaitl something along the lines of: this dude could be your line partner for the next 8 years, you could be a great duo and win cups, so teach him what to do, he brings the qualities. If you're Bowman you might even tell Knob to let them play through the struggles as often as possible and don't separate them.

Because I believe that his skill would be absolutely wasted in the bottom 6 (if you're not Florida with three 1st lines).

 

[foshizzle]

I really hope not. Marner at 16 might be a disaster

He’s not getting anywhere near 16

 

[foshizzle]

For puck pressure, retrievals and defensive acumen. He's also got a nice touch on his passes. You consistently undervalue the players you don't like.

At $2.5m, he's a guy that's going to consistently outperform his contract. If he wants over $3m, we move on.

What? That’s not Brown at all. His puck pressure consists of skating as fast as he can all over the ice with his stick in the air. He doesn’t hit or engage other than skate fast. He does not interrupt zone exits. He’s got 8 career playoff goals- of which 5 came this year. He isnt going to out preform his contract. You can easily find these types of players

 

[jitterbug]

He’s not getting anywhere near 16

he might if he signs a new contract in two years

 

[PitkanensGitch]

What? That’s not Brown at all. His puck pressure consists of skating as fast as he can all over the ice with his stick in the air. He doesn’t hit or engage other than skate fast. He does not interrupt zone exits. He’s got 8 career playoff goals- of which 5 came this year. He isnt going to out preform his contract. You can easily find these types of players

I am confident putting Philp or O’Reilly on the wing does more than Brown at a lower price.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

What's everyones thoughts on Perry saying he wants to win for his son but then may leave over 1 million.

That is probably around 1.5 ish percent of his net worth.....

Is he just negotiating? Will he leave? Sounds like we are not budging

 

[Drivesaitl]

For puck pressure, retrievals and defensive acumen. He's also got a nice touch on his passes. You consistently undervalue the players you don't like.

At $2.5m, he's a guy that's going to consistently outperform his contract. If he wants over $3m, we move on.

Gee if only actual production meant anything. Brown is a number one option to blow 20 scoring chances in a row. One of the worst options to put with the most talented player in hockey. really all of should be fedup by now having clear bottomsix players in topsix in 2025. You know I'm right on that.

Defensive acumen. Brown had the worst pk GA on the team this year.

Brown also had 1 hit/60mins this season. Meaning he's also that guy with zero intangibles. If smart means avoiding any and all contact at any means then yeah.

But today I heard somebody talking about "Playoff Brown" The mythmaking legend never stops. This guy must have his own cheering sections at Rogers Place.

 

[BeranekAndNeck]

What's everyones thoughts on Perry saying he wants to win for his son but then may leave over 1 million.

That is probably around 1.5 ish percent of his net worth.....

Is he just negotiating? Will he leave? Sounds like we are not budging

Then we sign Kap or Kostin. It would be a shame to lose his presence in the room but we can definitively say it didn’t put us over the top so don’t overpay for what he will bring as a 40 year old fourth liner.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I haven't seen much of Savoie last season.
Does anyone have a grasp of his situation? Is it likely that he will join the roster? Where would he slot in?
He's a smaller guy and I always had the impression that Knob doesn't like small players (Skinner, Arvidsson, Stecher etc), so I don't know if Knob would use him the way his game requires him to do.

You basically have to hope that he will build great chemistry with Draisaitl on that 2nd line, no? You shape Savoie in a way where it becomes his main task to be Draisaitl's sidekick, maybe some sort of a Guentzel or Marner light (without the superstar numbers, but with a similar game)? You maybe force them onto the same line for straight 82 games next season to build that chemistry and tell Draisaitl something along the lines of: this dude could be your line partner for the next 8 years, you could be a great duo and win cups, so teach him what to do, he brings the qualities.

Because I believe that his skill would be absolutely wasted in the bottom 6.

I think the plan should be to start him on the 3rd line, ideally with Henrique and Podz.

Savoie's on the smaller side, but he skates incredibly well and can control the puck. Knob big thing seems to be puck possession. Derek Ryan is a great example of a small, weak, and slow player that Knob had all the time in the world for (right up to the point it was crystal clear he needed to be Old Yeller'ed). And that was because he was smart with the puck and moved it to the right place.


That was the big issue with RV and Skinner, both struggled to maintain possession when they got reeled in by defences (which was often) it was near always an easy turnover.

 

[McJadeddog]

Then we sign Kap or Kostin. It would be a shame to lose his presence in the room but we can definitively say it didn’t put us over the top so don’t overpay for what he will bring as a 40 year old fourth liner.

The room counts for something for certain, but its not like we are a young team. This core has been through the grinder a few times already. There are lots of leaders in the room if Perry leaves.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Then we sign Kap or Kostin. It would be a shame to lose his presence in the room but we can definitively say it didn’t put us over the top so don’t overpay for what he will bring as a 40 year old fourth liner.

Yep, I loved what Perry brought this season, but the Oil need younger legs in the bottom 6.


If they want another distinguished vet (which I would like them to), then go after a legit top 6 talent like P. Kane, Tavares, or Giroux.

 

[Canovin]

For 2.5M you can get Ryan OReilly with retention

 

[MessierII]

Perry is a 1-1.5 million dollar player or you walk

 

[McTonyBrar]

Stauffer bringing up Boeser quite a bit now

 

[belair]

Gee if only actual production meant anything. Brown is a number one option to blow 20 scoring chances in a row. One of the worst options to put with the most talented player in hockey. really all of should be fedup by now having clear bottomsix players in topsix in 2025. You know I'm right on that.

Defensive acumen. Brown had the worst pk GA on the team this year.

Brown also had 1 hit/60mins this season. Meaning he's also that guy with zero intangibles. If smart means avoiding any and all contact at any means then yeah.

But today I heard somebody talking about "Playoff Brown" The mythmaking legend never stops. This guy must have his own cheering sections at Rogers Place.

He's not a great option to put with McDavid. You're absolutely right. Because he's a fourth liner that moonlights in a third line role. But he's been put there for periods because the team has lacked viable options due to injury or underperforming top six players.

The 'legend' was warranted. He and Mattias Janmark had tremendous playoff runs a year ago and were part of an absolutely lights out PK unit. I'm sure you're aware that they aren't the lights out PKers the same way they aren't the absolute sieves you're casting them as after this playoff run. The real answer is somewhere in the middle.

Brown isn't a physical forward. He's not a guy likely to pot 20 in a season. But he's a guy who has the potential to fill various roles when required without sinking the team when he's out there. 28 points at even strength is a value bottom six option and no, it isn't easily replaceable. Look at the Oilers' bottom six historically. People suggesting Philp or O'Reilly replace that contribution are absolutely dreaming. Look at Holloway’s production there a year ago. Or even Kapanen's regular season.

Time to be realistic about what's to be expected from the bottom six on an Edmonton Oilers team. And it's time acknowledge what happens to the team when that part of it cannot hold its own weight.

 

[Drivesaitl]

He's not a great option to put with McDavid. You're absolutely right. Because he's a fourth liner that moonlights in a third line role. But he's been put there for periods because the team has lacked viable options due to injury or underperforming top six players.

The 'legend' was warranted. He and Mattias Janmark had tremendous playoff runs a year ago and were part of an absolutely lights out PK unit. I'm sure you're aware that they aren't the lights out PKers the same way they aren't the absolute sieves you're casting them as after this playoff run. The real answer is somewhere in the middle.

Brown isn't a physical forward. He's not a guy likely to pot 20 in a season. But he's a guy who has the potential to fill various roles when required without sinking the team when he's out there. 28 points at even strength is a value bottom six option and no, it isn't easily replaceable. Look at the Oilers' bottom six historically. People suggesting Philp or O'Reilly replace that contribution are absolutely dreaming. Look at Holloway’s production there a year ago. Or even Kapanen's regular season.

Time to be realistic about what's to be expected from the bottom six on an Edmonton Oilers team. And it's time acknowledge what happens to the team when that part of it cannot hold its own weight.

Brown really isn't anything worth keeping, and especially as a bottomsix player at his cost. Even Kapanen was far more impactful, better on pk. Also McLeod was better on pk. Ooopppps.

Realistically Brown doesn't fill any of the roles well. Thats a problem. Yeah our pk was a huge problem this playoffs and regular season. it was a sieve. Its not prejudice for me to call it that. It was among worst in league.

Yeah I'd love to look at more of Holloway here. Whooops.

 

[belair]

What? That’s not Brown at all. His puck pressure consists of skating as fast as he can all over the ice with his stick in the air. He doesn’t hit or engage other than skate fast. He does not interrupt zone exits. He’s got 8 career playoff goals- of which 5 came this year. He isnt going to out preform his contract. You can easily find these types of players

Puck pressure does consist of being fast. It forces opposing puck carriers to make split second decisions that aren't necessarily the right one.

And as mentioned in the previous post, the Oilers long-reaching history of finding these players is beyond poor. And when the team's bottom six is below average, the Edmonton Oilers are a very beatable team.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Imo a big part of his issue is he doesn't play in systems well. Basically the same as Zach Kassian.

He's a bull in a china shop that needs to run around to be effective. The second you try to move him up the lineup and get him to play with structure, he ends up neutering himself.

Toss him out there with Philp and Janmark or Podz and Henrique, and he'll be fine.

I’m cool with him as long as it’s a fully buriable cap hit. Finding a diamond in the rough is necessary for this team to succeed. It’s like the Hutson and Euro signings. If you get five spins of the wheel with no risk you get a reasonable chance your number hits.