Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[K1984]

Yes speedy wingers would have helped I just meant as the team was constructed at the time I’m not sure how we could have adjusted. Maybe moving up ice as a five man unit with short quick passes would have been a bit better.

I think a lot of what pained us is we couldn't stop the soft touch passes that we like to make that normally aren't a major problem against teams other than the Panthers. Throwing a soft one around created a race for them to win and they're good at those.

In Game 6 the second goal against started with a soft backwards pass by Nuge in the neutral zone (off a won battle at that), which lead to them in our end for a minute. Then we get it out, Bouchard turns it over at their blue line with another soft little touch pass, comes the other way, in our net.

Then the third goal - Kulak has time to clear it, goes with another soft little breakout pass, they pick it off, they come back in, they cycle, series over. Both goals cases where they probably don't happen if we just make a firm play with the puck.

Old habits die hard, and these terrible passes just couldn't leave our game no mater how critical it was to not do it.

 

[Little Fury]

They offered him a max of 5 mill. He said no.
He will get similar to Nelson elsewhere. So around 7.5

Not what I heard which was he wanted 5 and they lowballed him with 4.

 

[Canovin]

The main reason why the analytics were even close in those games is due to score effect since the Oilers were almost constantly playing from being outside of the first half of Game 2. In the meat of the games when they were really close the Oilers got badly outplayed. The one game when I thought the Oilers might have been the better team was Game 1, it was pretty much all Florida especially the last 4 games. It is what it is, there's no sugarcoating it. The far more deserving team won.

Game 3 when Nurse got handled by Gadjovich was the turning point. Panthers were no longer scared of the Oilers. That's when the Panthers woke up and played their game.

 

[Drivesaitl]

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Klingberg was doing fine until Jamie Benn speared Klingberg's skates out from under him two feet from the boards, severely testing both of Klingergs hips. He failed the test.

Sure, Benn got a two minute minor but that was the end of playoff Klingberg.

Other things Dallas did. Scrub, I can't even recall his name, took out Nuge's feet on a two-on-one with McDavid, sending the Nuge into the boards. As well I cannot recall if there was a penalty on the play, I don't believe there was, and that's probably the play where Nuge broke his hand. Nuge headed straight to the dressing room and didn't return for 10 minutes.

Both of those plays were dirtier than the headshot dealt out to Connor Brown. Brown never recoverd from that. Oilers brought him back early. Personally I thought Brown should have sat until game three of the finals, and said as much receiving the accustomed barrage of critique, but they played him, to the delight of this board, in game one.

Dallas did Florida a huge favor and screwed the Oiles chances big time. To be sure Florida had their share of injuries and to more important players.

Not that it matters a hill of beans but I'm on record saying Ekholm should have never returned until during the first round and that was before he came back for that single game and injured his groin.

The Oiler's medical staff needs to be beaten.

This is on the money. At some point, early, in that series Dallas only objective was taking out our players. Dallas had given up by game 2. So they end up taking out Hyman, Klingberg, Brown, Nuge. Most of the players were clear retaliation, premeditation, moment Marchment lines up Hyman you know what he's going for. Hit on Brown was a trainwreck. These were obvious attempts to injure. From a frustrated angry Dallas club.

But Oilers with Kane, Nurse, Frederic, Walman did nothing about it. They just watched the carnage happen. So that we won the Dallas series easy, but perhaps pyrrhic victory as it set stage to lose the biggest battle

Marchment knew fully what he was doing. Take out Hyman and we're done going forward .

 

[Canovin]

Not what I heard which was he wanted 5 and they lowballed him with 4.

There's a thread on this in the mains. 5M was apparently too low for Tavares. If he wanted 4M, he would have been signed already

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Game 3 when Nurse got handled by Gadjovich was the turning point. Panthers were no longer scared of the Oilers. That's when the Panthers woke up and played their game.

Handled? They each landed like 1 punch

 

[Little Fury]

There's a thread on this in the mains. 5M was apparently too low for Tavares. If he wanted 4M, he would have been signed already

I don't read that cesspool and I clearly said he wanted more than $4M which was the leafs' offer.

 

[CupofOil]

Game 3 when Nurse got handled by Gadjovich was the turning point. Panthers were no longer scared of the Oilers. That's when the Panthers woke up and played their game.

The Oilers had them on the ropes in Game 2 when they came out strong and jump out ahead of a team that lost in a demoralizing fashion in Game 1 OT then the Panthers ran their show the second half of Game 2 when the Oilers let up and the Oilers never recovered outside of the 2nd period in Game 3 when Bob was letting in some unscreened shots high over his blocker. This was a very one sided six game series, a clear step back from last year.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Could you trick Minny into taking Kane + Picks for Rossi?

Physical, scoring top 6 fwd to help them get over the hump in the brutal western conference. Idk tough sell probably

 

[Drivesaitl]

The main reason why the analytics were even close in those games is due to score effect since the Oilers were almost constantly playing from being outside of the first half of Game 2. In the meat of the games when they were really close the Oilers got badly outplayed. The one game when I thought the Oilers might have been the better team was Game 1, it was pretty much all Florida especially the last 4 games. It is what it is, there's no sugarcoating it. The far more deserving team won.

Exactly this. The analytics doesn't always tell the story. Fact of the matter is Florida had their hands on the last 4 games played. They blew one of them giving up a 3-0 lead in SC final, something that almost never happens.

Yeah Florida were the far more deserving team.

Agree with you as well in "the meat" of the games. Certain segments in game, for instance front running essentially influence the path of the game, they create score effects but the 255min Panthers leads in games vs OIlers paltry 33mins leading games is a close match to what went on. Of course with goaltending disparity being part of that.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I don't read that cesspool and I clearly said he wanted more than $4M which was the leafs' offer.

I mean he's 34, but he was still basically 1 ppg last year, he's still a very effective player, if he wants to get paid, he should be lol.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The Oilers had them on the ropes in Game 2 when they came out strong and jump out ahead of a team that lost in a demoralizing fashion in Game 1 OT then the Panthers ran their show the second half of Game 2 when the Oilers let up and the Oilers never recovered outside of the 2nd period in Game 3 when Bob was letting in some unscreened shots high over his blocker. This was a very one sided six game series, a clear step back from last year.

Good eye. This is where we truly lost the series. Its weird people were happy with the split at home. Soon as Florida won that game 2 I was worried. With game 3 it was confirmed series was probably over. In realtime you hope but I said in game 4 even in victory the Oilers celly was very muted. Suspect they knew Florida was just the better team.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Track record suggests we should all brace for this. Feel like I'm f***ing taking crazy pills.

No, you’re not taking crazy pills. Tis the off season where a new Oiler manager will proceed to bone us with bad contracts and questionable goaltending signings. Just another off season day in Oiler land.

 

[Little Fury]

I mean he's 34, but he was still basically 1 ppg last year, he's still a very effective player, if he wants to get paid, he should be lol.

I think there's a balance between wanting to win and getting paid and if he hits the market the Oilers should move heaven and earth (or at least Henrique, Kane and Arvidsson) to get him.

Again, it won't happen, but now is the time for dreams.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

This is on the money. At some point, early, in that series Dallas only objective was taking out our players. Dallas had given up by game 2. So they end up taking out Hyman, Klingberg, Brown, Nuge. Most of the players were clear retaliation, premeditation, moment Marchment lines up Hyman you know what he's going for. Hit on Brown was a trainwreck. These were obvious attempts to injure. From a frustrated angry Dallas club.

But Oilers with Kane, Nurse, Frederic, Walman did nothing about it. They just watched the carnage happen. So that we won the Dallas series easy, but perhaps pyrrhic victory as it set stage to lose the biggest battle

Marchment knew fully what he was doing. Take out Hyman and we're done going forward .

I missed Hyman but I really don't count that as a dirty play. Should have been a minor for interference but it was nowhere as dirty as the plays, either to Klingberg or RNH.

Sending players into the endboards with momentum is as low as it gets for me.

And I agree, DeBoer kept saying his Dallas Stars were "playing their best hockey" while that team was headhunting during the final games of that series.

 

[K1984]

The Oilers had them on the ropes in Game 2 when they came out strong and jump out ahead of a team that lost in a demoralizing fashion in Game 1 OT then the Panthers ran their show the second half of Game 2 when the Oilers let up and the Oilers never recovered outside of the 2nd period in Game 3 when Bob was letting in some unscreened shots high over his blocker. This was a very one sided six game series, a clear step back from last year.

I started to delude myself into thinking "what if" had we just won that Game 2 in OT, but honestly I don't know if I wouldn't bet on them taking the next 4 anyways in hindsight.

For whatever reason we suck in Florida despite the fact that the Panthers weren't even a great home team in the playoffs. 3 of the next 4 on the road after we split at home is what ultimately killed us.

 

[CupofOil]

Good eye. This is where we truly lost the series. Its weird people were happy with the split at home. Soon as Florida won that game 2 I was worried. With game 3 it was confirmed series was probably over. In realtime you hope but I said in game 4 even in victory the Oilers celly was very muted. Suspect they knew Florida was just the better team.

Yeah the second half of Game 2 was an ominous sign, the Panthers leaned on the Oilers big time after the early push by the Oilers. I'm not gonna lie though, I really thought the Oilers would bounce back and that this would turn into a clash of titans a classic long back and forth 6-7 game series and it turned into a big dud to my shock. The first 2 games were setting up to be an all time series and it was anything but, too bad.

 

[Canovin]

Could you trick Minny into taking Kane + Picks for Rossi?

Physical, scoring top 6 fwd to help them get over the hump in the brutal western conference. Idk tough sell probably

Not an ideal 2C but I would welcome Rossi on the Oilers any day. I would even try him on the 1st unit PP to change things up. He doesn't waste time dusting the puck like RNH

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

One guy that hasnt been mentioned out of Buffalo is Alex Tuch. He would be perfect with Draisaitl imo.

With what assets

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

That would be fun for sure. If he was willing to do a cheap one-year deal to chase a Cup and improve his counting stats ahead of a $100M cap it could be a good fit.

Knoblauch would also finally get his wish and be able to go nuclear every shift:

Frederic-McDavid-Drai
RNH-Tavares-Hyman
?-Henrique-Brown
Podkolzin-Janmark-Perry

A good scoring winger for the third line would fill that team out perfectly.

It's crazy how much better the team could be with 1 proven top 6 player

 

[Drivesaitl]

I missed Hyman but I really don't count that as a dirty play. Should have been a minor for interference but it was nowhere as dirty as the plays, either to Klingberg or RNH.

Sending players into the endboards with momentum is as low as it gets for me.

And I agree, DeBoer kept saying his Dallas Stars were "playing their best hockey" while that team was headhunting during the final games of that series.

The hit on Hyman by Marchment was an open ice charge. It was hunting. Marchment wasn't even interested in the play. There's Hyman, and took him out. I think even if Hyman doesn't try to sidestep its some trouble.

Yeah the second half of Game 2 was an ominous sign, the Panthers leaned on the Oilers big time after the early push by the Oilers. I'm not gonna lie though, I really thought the Oilers would bounce back and that this would turn into a clash of titans a classic long back and forth 6-7 game series and it turned into a big dud to my shock. The first 2 games were setting up to be an all time series and it was anything but, too bad.

Yeah. The first 2 games were classic. Legend stuff. Then Florida left us behind.

 

[CupofOil]

I started to delude myself into thinking "what if" had we just won that Game 2 in OT, but honestly I don't know if I wouldn't bet on them taking the next 4 anyways in hindsight.

For whatever reason we suck in Florida despite the fact that the Panthers weren't even a great home team in the playoffs. 3 of the next 4 on the road after we split at home is what ultimately killed us.

I think it's a different series if the Oilers score in that OT. They do always struggle in Florida but I think they could have stole one and win one of two in Edmonton. Regardless, it was far from that so now we move on. They have to get younger and faster, just too many old legs and too many guys banged up, no Hyman was massive especially in a series like this and Ekholm/Nuge/Brown were clearly hampered. Florida wins anyway but the Oilers were beat up and looked old.

 

[Oilhawks]

Vegas is saying he wont be ready till the playoffs

Any investigation? Guessing not

 

[Oilhawks]

Never really understood the Jim Gregory nods some are giving to Armstrong. Guy sure gets a lot of credit for Berube and Binnington coming in and dragging that group to a Cinderella Cup

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

With what assets

What do you think a year of Tuch costs?