Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Forwards & Goaltending Under a Microscope, Which Bottom 6 Forwards Do You Keep?

[Behind Enemy Lines]

That's still dumb to say. "I'll only not match if it's a 1st."

Daring a team that values him to test that at $4M AAV, which you know they don't want to pay him whether they have the room or not. Also creates a large qualifier next year when they have several bigger deals to do.

Worst case St. Louis turns a 4th round, 107th pick into a second round return and plugs a back-up position with a litany of available cheaper options. They've kept the cap room to manage the situation.

 

[Canovin]

Vegas matches easy

With what cap if they sign Marner?

 

[Jumptheshark]

With what cap if they sign Marner?

Peterangelo LTIR for the year and Hertl trade

 

[Canovin]

Peterangelo LTIR for the year and Hertl trade

Pietrangelo on LTIR for bruised ego?

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Maybe I'm misinformed, but isn't Krug basically LTIRetired?

Blues have more room than it looks like.

That is exactly it. @Jimmi McJenkins they have more flexibility than the cap space Armstrong has pro-active kept aside for a prospective offer sheet threat on a challenging position to project certainty in a new team and personnel.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Lots of people and media trying to prime an Oilers retribution RFA signing. Oil don't have the asset required and have to spend more to get their 2nd back. Then inflate an offer just below 1st round compensation hoping to get an still unproven goaltender for a Cup Finalist team looking to get back for a third time to win or overspend assets they don't have on an emotional play at revenge. Bad management all around if the Oilers go down that path ... which I fully expect they won't.

Other non-window team take a run at a prospective goalie upgrade. Maybe. But no one's pushing beyond a 2rd round compensation for a largely unproven goaltender within the most challenging position to project in different team structure and personnel.

Around how much do you think the blues sign Hofer for if there is zero offer sheets?

 

[Jumptheshark]

Pietrangelo on LTIR for bruised ego?

Vegas is saying he wont be ready till the playoffs

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Worst case St. Louis turns a 4th round, 107th pick into a second round return and plugs a back-up position with a litany of available cheaper options. They've kept the cap room to manage the situation.

Sure I guess, I just don't see the point in giving them credit for not doing anything.

 

[oXo Cube]

Around how much do you think the blues sign Hofer for if there is zero offer sheets?

Probably considerably less than 4.6.

But are we sure they wouldn't match that if it was offered, and perhaps more importantly are we sure we want that contract on our team if they don't?

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Around how much do you think the blues sign Hofer for if there is zero offer sheets?

I'm terrible at salary projections. He's only got 69 NHL games so at age 24 (25 in July) so I'm not sure there's an overpay there. Skinner, who's a $2.6 million goaltender is ... squinting ... within range of #of playoff games as Hofer does NHL ones.

 

[Canovin]

I know Oilers fan won't like this but if NYR is tanking, I would call and ask for JT Miller

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I know Oilers fan won't like this but if NYR is tanking, I would call and ask for JT Miller

That's sort of fair, I worry about him trying to destroy the group for the lolz. I don't know that they're tanking (unless I missed something) Drury just isn't good at this except when he's destroying Verbeek.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Smart business. Get ahead of your obvious vulnerability with a bold public statement.

Meanwhile the Oilers completely ignored the offer sheet headwinds and sailed blindly right into it.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Probably considerably less than 4.6.

But are we sure they would match that if it was offered, and perhaps more importantly are we sure we want that contract on our team if they don't?

I don’t think the Oilers should but I could see a team like Philly offering that.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Meanwhile the Oilers completely ignored the offer sheet headwinds and sailed blindly right into it.

I think this is why Armstrong is getting credit for not doing anything. This is still a problem, though if you asked Holloway he probably wouldn't have signed his offersheet again.

 

[ManOfSteelI]

I really feel that the Oilers lost this final, and to some extend last final, due to coaching. I like Knob, but he has been out coached badly by PM the last two SCF. Special teams is all about coaching, and Knob couldn't figure the adjustments needed against the Panthers. He kept going back to using McDrai 'nuclear' line when it wasn't working. McDrai line was getting scored on.
And telling the boys to calm down with the physicality, that just plays into the hands of the Panthers. The team got neutered after games 3-4.
Then there is something with Maurice, he has figured out how to stop McDrai, even when he was with the Winnipeg Jets, that one Covid special playoff round with them, he has the secret sauce to slow down McDavid.

While I'm sure that was part of it, I think the players likely instinctually did this and it wasn't strictly coaching. It was a bit of a lose-lose situation; Keep playing a tenacious, physical game and get called for anything and everything (including things that Panthers were doing, but getting away with), or ramp it down and hope they can elevate their game without the physical element being such a factor.

It reminds me a lot of their run back in 2017, where they were constantly second guessing themselves because they'd get called for random shit just for playing... playoff hockey.

The biggest missed PP opportunity they had was likely in period 1 of game 2, when they had a chance to go up 4-2.. but they came out with another lifeless powerplay. That felt like a series shifting moment to me.

I do agree that Knob was outcoached in both of these finals, which is unfortunate because he's been able to outcoach nearly every other team he's gone up against.

Losing Hyman was also a huge loss, he had been generating more than Drai these playoffs. I think deep down, we all had a bad feeling about how things would go after Marchment took him out.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Sure I guess, I just don't see the point in giving them credit for not doing anything.

There's different ways to manage risk Jimmy. One way is to pro-actively keep the salary cap to mitigate poaching (as Blues stated following two other teams examples) and the other is to put your head in the sand. Offer sheeting a largely small sample, difficult position to project while there are plentiful options available would be bad business. Especially for a team like Edmonton that is cap poor and asset poor.

Armstrong's covering his bases with another round of Krug $6.5 million LTIR (x 2 years) still to come. They can cover a foolish RFA offer sheet if they want; upgrade a 4th round prospect into a 2nd round which gives them further options to deal or add to their prospect pipeline.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I think this is why Armstrong is getting credit for not doing anything. This is still a problem, though if you asked Holloway he probably wouldn't have signed his offersheet again.

I still cannot fathom the complete idiocy of Jeff Jackson, former agent who if anyone would know where the cap was heading and what extra leverage that will give players, it was him. Signing 2 over the hill vets on extreme short term deals in favour of 2 young home grown cost controlled (relatively) up and coming talent in key positions was a fireable offence.

Your supposed to hire smart people for the job but it was another Oilers nepo hire due to Coffey's voice in the ear of Katz. Instead of a proper search the Oilers yet again went with an old boy recommended hire and it backfired spectacularly on them.

This organization is like Wile E Coyote chasing the Roadrunner.

 

[Canovin]

That's sort of fair, I worry about him trying to destroy the group for the lolz. I don't know that they're tanking (unless I missed something) Drury just isn't good at this except when he's destroying Verbeek.

The players won't like they're holding onto 2026 1st over the 12th over pick which could sign they're tanking for McKenna.

Miller would be the ideal 2C that the Oilers need that allows McDrai to play together. If we can move Nurse+1st+Akey for Miller with some retention, they should be all over it.

2nd for Pageau without the retention. Sign Samuelsson if he get bought out

Drai-McDavid-Hyman
RNH-Miller-Savoie
Frederic-Pageau-Brown
Pods-Janmark-Perry
Tomasek/Kapanen

Ekholm-Bouchard
Walman-Klingberg
Samuelsson-Kulak
Stecher/Lapannen

 

[Jumptheshark]

Meanwhile the Oilers completely ignored the offer sheet headwinds and sailed blindly right into it.

Most sane people on this board were asking how we were going to sign both. We did not have the money to sign either

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The players won't like they're holding onto 2026 1st over the 12th over pick which could sign they're tanking for McKenna.

Miller would be the ideal 2C that the Oilers need that allows McDrai to play together. If we can move Nurse+1st+Akey for Miller with some retention, they should be all over it.

2nd for Pageau without the retention. Sign Samuelsson if he get bought out

Drai-McDavid-Hyman
RNH-Miller-Savoie
Frederic-Pageau-Brown
Pods-Janmark-Perry
Tomasek

Ekholm-Bouchard
Walman-Klingberg
Samuelsson-Kulak
Stecher

Sure is interesting, I think the Rangers are just hedging their bets on a much better draft next year.

Apparently Samuelsson won't be bought out or that's what Adams has said recently.

 

[ManOfSteelI]

Keeping enough money to match offer sheets is smart business. Telling teams to try an offer sheet isn’t…

How is that statement bold or smart? It just says hey teams might as well inflate the price because we are matching anyways.

I can understand it.

He knows teams are already talking about it, lots of buzz in the media about it.

It's likely going to happen regardless of whether he puts out a "bold statement" or not. He's likely just hoping to deter it, but I don't think there's anything he could do at this point.

The blues are probably thinking that they'll match an offer sheet and hope Hofer continues to shine. In a best case scenario, he'll continue to take on more minutes and look good this year and they'll trade Binnington at the TDL.

Any team offer sheeting him would be wise to make it a one year deal. That way, when they match they'll then need to pay up even more next summer if he continues to trend up.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I stare at the Canes, thin(and small) on the Blueline with a ton of cap space (even with Hertl coming for free)

Maybe you could convince them into Nurse as a minute muncher to let their kids come along in a more sheltered way, plus when they get Hertl, they may want to move out a center.

To CAR: Nurse ($1.25M retained) + something

To EDM: Kotkaniemi

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

The players won't like they're holding onto 2026 1st over the 12th over pick which could sign they're tanking for McKenna.

Miller would be the ideal 2C that the Oilers need that allows McDrai to play together. If we can move Nurse+1st+Akey for Miller with some retention, they should be all over it.

2nd for Pageau without the retention. Sign Samuelsson if he get bought out

Drai-McDavid-Hyman
RNH-Miller-Savoie
Frederic-Pageau-Brown
Pods-Janmark-Perry
Tomasek/Kapanen

Ekholm-Bouchard
Walman-Klingberg
Samuelsson-Kulak
Stecher/Lapannen

I like the line up but there’s so many good line ups we could conceive of if only we could remove Nurse

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I think this is why Armstrong is getting credit for not doing anything. This is still a problem, though if you asked Holloway he probably wouldn't have signed his offersheet again.

Why would Holloway regret it? It's reported the Oilers offered Holloway a 3 year deal at $1.05 AAV while stacking his growth path with old, more expensive adds. So longer term, less money, not a priority at contact time, gets more money on a shorter-term deal, and kills it with the opportunity. Now has fired his inexperienced agent who turned to Broberg's agent for help with non-negotiation by the Oilers and new super agent is teed up to get him big bank and term.