Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Dermott on a PTO, Will We See More PTO's? Can We Get Some Toughness Too Please?

[FlameChampion]

Elliott Friedman said on his latest 32 Thoughts that the Oilers aren't planning on keeping out Kane until playoffs because they want him playing NHL games before playoffs start so they he isn't rusty

Hard to say at this point.

Might be true. Might not be true. Could just be planting seeds so that it looks like they aren’t going to abuse the LTIR rule.

 

[Soundwave]

Elliott Friedman said on his latest 32 Thoughts that the Oilers aren't planning on keeping out Kane until playoffs because they want him playing NHL games before playoffs start so they he isn't rusty

Well

1.) Of course they're going to publicly say that for now. It looks to me like they are making it clear the recovery time is just short of the full season with the stipulation that it's the minimum time required. If the NHL wants to give grief later on, the Oilers can pull up these tweets and say "hey we were aiming to have him play".

2.) You can put someone else on the LTIR for say the last 12 days of the season if you really want Kane to get some games in.

 

[oobga]

Elliott Friedman said on his latest 32 Thoughts that the Oilers aren't planning on keeping out Kane until playoffs because they want him playing NHL games before playoffs start so they he isn't rusty

Risking a little rust in the first round + adding another 5M player, vs Kane playing handful of games before playoffs. Doesn't take a genius to do that math IMO. But, also don't expect the team to ever at any point lay out the plan they have for anyone. Around the deadline can release that Kane's rehab taking longer than expected and all will be well.

 

[Mr Positive]

Elliott Friedman said on his latest 32 Thoughts that the Oilers aren't planning on keeping out Kane until playoffs because they want him playing NHL games before playoffs start so they he isn't rusty

They have to say that but of course there is benefit to adding more impact players using Kane's cap space. He'd start the playoffs rusty but just the first round or so

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Elliott Friedman said on his latest 32 Thoughts that the Oilers aren't planning on keeping out Kane until playoffs because they want him playing NHL games before playoffs start so they he isn't rusty

They’re giving themselves as many options as possible. Who knows what’s going to happen between now and when he’s ready to come back, they could have another ltir candidate, they could accrue enough cap to upgrade and bring him back before playoffs. They also have the option to send him to Bako for a conditioning stint, get him some game action if he has to stay on ltir until playoffs.

 

[Soundwave]

If it's really that big of an issue I'm sure probably there will be someone on the roster who will be willing to sit the last 2-3 games of the season to give Kane some reps.

 

[McHelpus]

Elliott Friedman said on his latest 32 Thoughts that the Oilers aren't planning on keeping out Kane until playoffs because they want him playing NHL games before playoffs start so they he isn't rusty

"Healthy Kane in the lineup is our trade deadline acquisition" - did Ken Holland not say this?

 

[Soundwave]

So he comes back for the playoffs. How much do you wanne bet if the Oilers out him on LTIR and replace him..we WILL see a change in the LTIR rule

Maybe sure. The problem with it is you get into a real dicey area if the NHL is complicit in forcing an athlete to come back and play before they are comfortable doing so. If there is an immediate injury, as a player I would sue the shit out of the NHL.

The NHL doesn't want that smoke because they're still trying to distance themselves from lawsuits due to concussion issues with ex-players, a list that's a mile long.

A court case where the NHL was shown to be forcing a player to come back and play before they felt ready would be a terrible, terrible look and even worse than that a real legal liability for them.

 

[Mr Positive]

Maybe sure. The problem with it is you get into a real dicey area if the NHL is complicit in forcing an athlete to come back and play before they are comfortable doing so. If there is an immediate injury, as a player I would sue the shit out of the NHL.

The NHL doesn't want that smoke because they're still trying to distance themselves from lawsuits due to concussion issues with ex-players, a list that's a mile long.

A court case where the NHL was shown to be forcing a player to come back and play before they felt ready would be a terrible, terrible look and even worse than that a real legal liability for them.

Exactly that last part. The league will not stick its neck out to make an accusation.

There also will never be a doctor who will say a player needs to get back on the ice, for the same reason

If we want Kane to come back game 1 of the playoffs, all we need is for him to get on board and say the right things

 

[Fourier]

If it's really that big of an issue I'm sure probably there will be someone on the roster who will be willing to sit the last 2-3 games of the season to give Kane some reps.

Sitting the last 2-3 games is not enough though. LTIR requires a player misses at least 10 games and 24 days.

 

[Soundwave]

Sitting the last 2-3 games is not enough though. LTIR requires a player misses at least 10 games and 24 days.

Can that terminate once the regular season is done?

If not, then if they don't have a player who wants or needs to be out say 10 games, then what's going to happen is Kane ain't playing until game 1 of the playoffs, lol.

Simple as that.

 

[Mr Positive]

Can that terminate once the regular season is done?

If not, then if they don't have a player who wants or needs to be out say 10 games, then what's going to happen is Kane ain't playing until game 1 of the playoffs, lol.

Simple as that.

Maybe we would look at whatever Stamkos did when he came back early (and I think Kucherov immediately sat on LTIR). That seemed like more than 3 games

 

[Soundwave]

Exactly that last part. The league will not stick its neck out to make an accusation.

There also will never be a doctor who will say a player needs to get back on the ice, for the same reason

If we want Kane to come back game 1 of the playoffs, all we need is for him to get on board and say the right things

Yeah I don't think there's a doctor anywhere that would look at someone with double adductor surgery + double abdominal tear surgery + double hernia surgery and say "yeah after X days you should be forced to play by my opinion".

If I was a player and got injured again quickly, I would sue the shit out of that doctor and the NHL and for big money too, none of that "1 year lost wages", I would claim I could have had another 5 year contract at 5+ million so I'm suing for $25+ million and throw on some extra for emotional damages.

I don't think the NHL wants to open this pandora's box.

 

[Fourier]

Can that terminate once the regular season is done?

If not, then if they don't have a player who wants or needs to be out say 10 games, then what's going to happen is Kane ain't playing until game 1 of the playoffs, lol.

Simple as that.

To be honest I am not 100% sure how this works.

 

[Soundwave]

Maybe we would look at whatever Stamkos did when he came back early (and I think Kucherov immediately sat on LTIR). That seemed like more than 3 games

Yes I vaguely remember something about this stuff too, they juggled some players around so Stamkos could get some games in.

 

[McDNicks17]

Tullio with 2 assists so far tonight. We lost the trade.

 

[oobga]

Tullio with 2 assists so far tonight. We lost the trade.

looks like every player that used to be an Oiler becomes a god in pre-season. Can we make money betting on that somehow using one of the dozen gambling products the NHL is promoting?

 

[Heavy Dee]

Elliott Friedman said on his latest 32 Thoughts that the Oilers aren't planning on keeping out Kane until playoffs because they want him playing NHL games before playoffs start so they he isn't rusty

He can do that in Bako.

 

[LTIR]

Without Kane our forwards group doesn't look all that deep.
Our 4th line is now our 3rd line.
Podkolzin, Ryan, Perry not much of a 4th line.
we could use a gritty waivers pickup at start of the season

 

[Frank the Tank]

Without Kane our forwards group doesn't look all that deep.
Our 4th line is now our 3rd line.
Podkolzin, Ryan, Perry not much of a 4th line.
we could use a gritty waivers pickup at start of the season

Nah, in the SCF after Kane could no longer play the 4th line was McLeod's line. Overall, it's the same forward group except Podkolzin replaces McLeod in the bottom-6 and Draisaitl now has Skinner and Arvidsson instead of Foegele and Holloway.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Without Kane our forwards group doesn't look all that deep.
Our 4th line is now our 3rd line.
Podkolzin, Ryan, Perry not much of a 4th line.
we could use a gritty waivers pickup at start of the season

Having the best top-6 in the league and Henrique as a 3C makes up for some of the bottom-6 weaknesses.

 

[McDoused]

Without Kane our forwards group doesn't look all that deep.
Our 4th line is now our 3rd line.
Podkolzin, Ryan, Perry not much of a 4th line.
we could use a gritty waivers pickup at start of the season

I don't think you are giving the forward group enough credit.

We added 2 top 6 forwards in Skinner and Arvidsson.

Janmark-Henrique-Brown is good enough to be a 3rd line in this league. Henrique scored 51 points last year and has had 9 seasons where he's put up 40+ points. Brown took a while to get back to form but hes a 20 goal scorer who had 39 points in 64 games before in his last "full" season. Janmark might have the lowest offensive numbers but he rarely makes a bad play defensively.