Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Dermott on a PTO, Will We See More PTO's? Can We Get Some Toughness Too Please?

[Behind Enemy Lines]

That’s the thing. The primary reason why offer sheets don’t work is because the players don’t actually sign them. I think agents use the threat of them more than fans think but I think both sides are generally amicable and careful of what they actually do. In Brobergs particular case, I don’t think he wanted to be here so he was happy to sign it. And in Holloway case, apparently his agent was only working for him, and he probably just got bad advice and was coaxed by Broberg and his agent.

People can blame Jackson and Bowman all they want but they werent worth those deals and I personally don’t think Broberg wanted to be here anyway. Holloway just got played, got bad advice and was in the cross hairs.

You gotta close the barn door. All the other teams Dallas and Boston included kept cap space to mitigate an offer sheet issue. Edmonton gambled on their two RFA's that an old approach would work despite having a disgruntled player who asked for a trade stuck in the press box purgatory.
St. Louis bet on their age and upward mobility with low risk compensation and ability to walk away for minimal cost. Holloway was no dupe in this. His eyes were open to the paycheque and situational opportunity in St. Louis. His worst case was a massive raise and stay in Edmonton.

Big difference for a player like Harley who was developed, played and produced with his draft team. Dallas kept their cap space open to mitigate any poaching attempt and any offer for a 47 point big right handed age 23 d-man would be into 1st round or multiple 1st round territory (with Dallas keeping their powder dry to match).

This article from earlier September listed all the big RFA and easy to cross reference the salary cap money all teams kept to mitigate poaching: NHL's top nine unsigned RFAs of 2024: Latest rumours, reports

Oilers gambled on an old model and misread the relationships with these two young players. Blues laid the hammer and just like that gonzo counted on cheap quality young developed talent went up in smoke. The market valued them differently.

 

[Spawn]

Florida just won the cup with a goalie who posted under .900 10 times.

Skinner posted under .900 11 times.

I guess Florida just won the cup with a garbage goalie, so it is possible to win the cup with a garbage goalie.

I wonder where you'll be moving the goalposts to after this one, backs gotta be getting sore.

Honestly Bobrovsky wasn’t all that good either.

But when the chips were down. Winner take all game 7… one goalie gave up the back breaking garbage goal and one didn’t.

But keep on flying that flag. Hopefully Skinner actually earns the loyalty some of you have for him moving forward.

 

[McDoused]

Honestly Bobrovsky wasn’t all that good either.

But when the chips were down. Winner take all game 7… one goalie gave up the back breaking garbage goal and one didn’t.

But keep on flying that flag. Hopefully Skinner actually earns the loyalty some of you have for him moving forward.

Yes he was. He absolutely stole games from us. He was inconsistent but when he was on, he was almost unbeatable.

 

[McDoused]

You gotta close the barn door. All the other teams Dallas and Boston included kept cap space to mitigate an offer sheet issue. Edmonton gambled on their two RFA's that an old approach would work despite having a disgruntled player who asked for a trade stuck in the press box purgatory.
St. Louis bet on their age and upward mobility with low risk compensation and ability to walk away for minimal cost. Holloway was no dupe in this. His eyes were open to the paycheque and situational opportunity in St. Louis. His worst case was a massive raise and stay in Edmonton.

Big difference for a player like Harley who was developed, played and produced with his draft team. Dallas kept their cap space open to mitigate any poaching attempt and any offer for a 47 point big right handed age 23 d-man would be into 1st round or multiple 1st round territory (with Dallas keeping their powder dry to match).

This article from earlier September listed all the big RFA and easy to cross reference the salary cap money all teams kept to mitigate poaching: NHL's top nine unsigned RFAs of 2024: Latest rumours, reports

Oilers gambled on an old model and misread the relationships with these two young players. Blues laid the hammer and just like that gonzo counted on cheap quality young developed talent went up in smoke. The market valued them differently.

I kind of disagree with this. The Harley situation in Dallas was completely different situation than Broberg in Edmonton.

IMO, It would have made more sense St.Louis to go after Harley in Dallas. Dallas is a division rival and stealing him after a 47 point season makes sense. Dallas didn't leave extra money open to match offer sheets, they had it open just to try and sign him. If the blues offered him a long term contract, Dallas wouldn't have been able to afford it without moving pieces similar to Edmonton.

Its hilarious that Broberg is making almost 600k more than Harley. Broberg had a few good games in the playoffs and wouldnt warrant a similar contract. The only leverage Broberg had from taking 1M was an offer sheet. It was obvious that him and his agent were the ones that really pushed for this.

Sure, Holland messed up the handling of this situation but his coaches also wouldn't play him. Instead of battling for a spot (which be essentially lost to Desharnais and Kulak), he demanded a trade and pursue offer sheets.

Good riddance Broberg. Hopefully the door hit him in the way out. He whined back in Sweden when he couldn't make the men's league either. This is a guy who despite being talented and showing flashes, failed to earn a spot the past 5 years.

 

[Spawn]

Yes he was. He absolutely stole games from us. He was inconsistent but when he was on, he was almost unbeatable.

That’s fair.

 

[Darkwinter]

I kind of disagree with this. The Harley situation in Dallas was completely different situation than Broberg in Edmonton.

IMO, It would have made more sense St.Louis to go after Harley in Dallas. Dallas is a division rival and stealing him after a 47 point season makes sense. Dallas didn't leave extra money open to match offer sheets, they had it open just to try and sign him. If the blues offered him a long term contract, Dallas wouldn't have been able to afford it without moving pieces similar to Edmonton.

Its hilarious that Broberg is making almost 600k more than Harley. Broberg had a few good games in the playoffs and wouldnt warrant a similar contract. The only leverage Broberg had from taking 1M was an offer sheet. It was obvious that him and his agent were the ones that really pushed for this.

Sure, Holland messed up the handling of this situation but his coaches also wouldn't play him. Instead of battling for a spot (which be essentially lost to Desharnais and Kulak), he demanded a trade and pursue offer sheets.

Good riddance Broberg. Hopefully the door hit him in the way out. He whined back in Sweden when he couldn't make the men's league either. This is a guy who despite being talented and showing flashes, failed to earn a spot the past 5 years.

But, Calgycuck says we are going nowhere this year cause we lost Broberg . I think it was pretty clear Broberg did not want to be in Edmonton so he could go fly a kite for all I care

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes he was. He absolutely stole games from us. He was inconsistent but when he was on, he was almost unbeatable.

He definitely stole game 1.

Not really the other three.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

They aren’t but why not try?

cause they likely match...you only try on teams that probably won't match due to being capped out

 

[FlameChampion]

You gotta close the barn door. All the other teams Dallas and Boston included kept cap space to mitigate an offer sheet issue. Edmonton gambled on their two RFA's that an old approach would work despite having a disgruntled player who asked for a trade stuck in the press box purgatory.
St. Louis bet on their age and upward mobility with low risk compensation and ability to walk away for minimal cost. Holloway was no dupe in this. His eyes were open to the paycheque and situational opportunity in St. Louis. His worst case was a massive raise and stay in Edmonton.

Big difference for a player like Harley who was developed, played and produced with his draft team. Dallas kept their cap space open to mitigate any poaching attempt and any offer for a 47 point big right handed age 23 d-man would be into 1st round or multiple 1st round territory (with Dallas keeping their powder dry to match).

This article from earlier September listed all the big RFA and easy to cross reference the salary cap money all teams kept to mitigate poaching: NHL's top nine unsigned RFAs of 2024: Latest rumours, reports

Oilers gambled on an old model and misread the relationships with these two young players. Blues laid the hammer and just like that gonzo counted on cheap quality young developed talent went up in smoke. The market valued them differently.

Except Dallas didn’t keep cap space. If some team offer sheet him 5+ then Dallas would be in the same situation as Edmonton. Harley has shown more than Broberg and he’s making 4m. What’s preventing another team from giving him 6? 8? Etc. Probably just the fact that Harley didn’t want to put the Stars in a tough spot.

 

[KanesThrowaway]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836395444634517633

 

[FlameChampion]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836395444634517633

Jonny Toews 4C

Haha

Probably some guy who was in the OHL with KK 10 years ago

 

[Reginald Dunlop]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836395444634517633

Come on literally anybody but Giordano.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

Probably something like a new stick tape sponsor

 

[FlameChampion]

Fudgeo sponsor maybe or draftkings lol

 

[CupofOil]

Agree to disagree. Not many teams are winning a cup with .901 goaltending. It's as simple as that.

The problem is that you're looking at .901 with tunnel vision without any context. As I pointed out, his save pct. was skewed by some real bad games early in the playoffs. He was much better in the Dallas and Florida series, gave them more than enough goaltending to win a Cup. The team scored 2 goals in 3 losses in the Florida series, that's what cost them the Cup not Skinner. Drai being banged up in particular and being half of his former self was the real problem.

Yeah for sure. The last goalie to steal a game for us in the playoffs? Roloson.

Skinner stole two games just last playoffs. Game 4 against L.A. and Game 6 against Dallas

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah for sure. The last goalie to steal a game for us in the playoffs? Roloson.

Talbot absolutely stole games for the Oilers in the 2017 playoffs, probably even an entire round, they had very little going early in that San Jose series but managed to get a lead.

 

[TB12]

Except Dallas didn’t keep cap space. If some team offer sheet him 5+ then Dallas would be in the same situation as Edmonton. Harley has shown more than Broberg and he’s making 4m. What’s preventing another team from giving him 6? 8? Etc. Probably just the fact that Harley didn’t want to put the Stars in a tough spot.

This. Harley >>>>> Broberg

Broberg's overpay is so gross that he's honestly not worth discussing anymore. St. Louis' trouble now. Oilers in no way shape or form could afford such a gross overpayment for a player of that (meagre) calibre.

 

[McDoused]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836395444634517633

Tell me now!

 

[BlackDogg]

Tell me now!

Cam Talbot

 

[McDoused]

Cam Talbot

No hes in detroit.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Except Dallas didn’t keep cap space. If some team offer sheet him 5+ then Dallas would be in the same situation as Edmonton. Harley has shown more than Broberg and he’s making 4m. What’s preventing another team from giving him 6? 8? Etc. Probably just the fact that Harley didn’t want to put the Stars in a tough spot.

Dallas had $6.2 million in cap space to protect themselves against any prospective offer sheet. It's a very different real difference in management choices and a defendable position from poachers. As stated before, Harley's development path was different than Broberg with the organization playing him and no reason to believe that commitment had changed or would. He played on a deep playoff team with progressive development into a regular NHL defenseman on a good team. That is entirely different than Broberg's situation which included an in-season trade request. Dallas has done a good job of draft development integrating many young players into their veteran team. Unfortunately Jackson identified this as a organizational priority on day 1 when he took over.

The two parties negotiated a deal that lands as a comparable to Bouchard and Dobson not impacted by the inflationary deal required by RFA signing process with Broberg. Good business by Dallas to mitigate the risk and get their guy signed.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836204689190207963

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I hate cryptic shit, just tell us.

 

[Canovin]

Jonny Toews 4C

Haha

Probably some guy who was in the OHL with KK 10 years ago

I came to post this. You beat me to it

 

[McDoused]

I came to post this. You beat me to it

Doesnt sound like someone preparing for hockey.

 

[The Nuge]

Mike Hoffman. Odd add. Doesn’t fill the 4C role or one of the D positions