Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Dermott on a PTO, Will We See More PTO's? Can We Get Some Toughness Too Please?
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FlameChampion
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Broberg getting paid more than Harley. Just shows you how stupid that offer sheet and how much of a weiner Broberg and his agent are. I don’t blame him but Oilers got f*cked.
McShogun99
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Blame Skinner all you want but our top guys got shutdown in the finals except for Mcdavid on games 3-5.
Hopefully Arvidsson, Skinner and a healthy Kane help with that. Best top 6 we've had since the 80s.
You said he "sucked all playoffs". You're moving the goal posts.
These were his goals against in Games 4-7 of each series.
Game 4 against L.A. - 0, a game he outright stole
Game 5 against L.A. - 3
Game 6 against Vancouver - 1
Game 7 against Vancouver - 2
Game 4 against Dallas - 2
Game 5 against Dallas - 1
Game 6 against Dallas - 1 (outright stole this one)
Game 4 against Florida - 1
Game 5 against Florida - 3
Game 6 against Florida - 1
Game 7 against Florida - 2
That's a crapload of 1's and 2's with 2 of those games being Skinner thefts, 3 or less in each game with all but two of those games being 2 or less.
He played his best in the biggest games so, yes, while he had some bad games in the first 2 series, he did not "suck all playoffs" which was your original statement. The numbers are staring you right in the face if you choose to read them.
We’ve already had this exact conversation lol.
You post how he had good numbers in the back half of a series and I post how he set the team back in every series with laughably horrible stats in the front half of every single round:
Round 1: 2-1, .890 sv%
Round 2: 1-2, .793 sv%
Round 3: 1-2, .897 sv%
Round 4: 0-3, .868 sv%
4-8 overall, .867 sv%
And in nearly a 1/3rd of a regular season worth of hockey. Skinner stole two games. TWO. And you’re trying to argue that is anything but bad?
Maybe I could have chosen my words better: when I say he sucked the entire playoffs I mean as taken as a whole, his playoffs sucked. You can't be straight up dog shit for the first half of every single round lol.
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Mcnotloilersfan
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I think Skinner is perfectly fine for the role.
Neither Saros or Helly were amazing for their teams in the playoffs last year. Stu outdueled Oettinger. Bob had TEN games in the playoffs last year that were under .900. Two of which were under .800
We always notice the bad in our own players far more than we ever will on any other team. Stu has been getting better every year. We can absolutely win a cup with him. Especially as we improve the product in front.
He's still young. Hopefully he gets better and develops more consistency. He wasn't good enough last year.
Goalies outright stealing games in the playoffs is not all that common and I'd say that Game 4 against L.A. in a 2-1 series and the Western Conference championship clinching games are pretty good games.
This all stemmed from you saying that he sucked all playoffs, I never said that he didn't have some bad games.
If you look at his playoffs as a whole, the good outweighed the bad and he got better as the playoffs wore on as I indicated in the previous post. He outdueled Oettinger and largely went toe to toe with Bobrovsky. The Reinhart Game 7 goal is one he'd like to have back but when you let up 2 goals you're pretty much doing your job, top guys went MIA in the Florida losses.
With that said, Skinner still has inconsistencies to improve upon but most goalies in the league are inconsistent nowadays. There's like 5 really good goalies and a whole whack of guys including Skinner below that. Bottom line is that he gave them enough goaltending to win a Cup.
Agree to disagree. Not many teams are winning a cup with .901 goaltending. It's as simple as that.
If Harley received an offer sheet it would be a much bigger payday than what Broberg got. It’s not the same thing
Oh sorry, he must have made all those saves in the back half of the second/early 3rd. As if that matters.
Cam Talbot stunk in the series against the Ducks and was a factor in the loss, especially in Game 3. Time heals all wounds apparently.
He had some bad stretches as a rookie*, there is no denying it. Mind you the whole team did. I'm confident he'll get better.
BarDownBobo
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I do always find it fascinating that Nurse is absolutely chastised on these boards largely because of his contract, but Skinner never seems to get any extra leeway for being one of the cheapest starting goaltenders in the league and is constantly compared to guys making 3-4x his salary.
Why is anyone defending Skinner? I remember the GDT and post-game threads.
You all know he sucks.
You all know he sucks.
Cam Talbot posted a .923 sv% in that 7 game series against the Ducks and a .924 sv% in that run as a whole. On a mush worse team than this current one. If we had anything even remotely close to that level of goaltending over the last couple seasons we'd be back to back cup champs.
Yeah people need to understand Stuart Skinner and Stuart Skinner alone cost this group 2 cups.
He cost this city 2 cups.
Your family, your friends, the elderly barely hanging on to see their team win another one.
Stuart Skinner robbed us all.
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An America team wouldn't do that to an American team... this is Bettman's world after all.
If a team sent Broberg an offer sheet a team absolutely sent Harley one. He just didn’t sign it. Harley is better than Broberg will ever be.
It absolutely is close to good enough. Bobrovsky just won the cup with a .906
CantHaveTkachev
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nah, Stars weren't in nearly the cap crunch the Oilers were
FlameChampion
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That’s the thing. The primary reason why offer sheets don’t work is because the players don’t actually sign them. I think agents use the threat of them more than fans think but I think both sides are generally amicable and careful of what they actually do. In Brobergs particular case, I don’t think he wanted to be here so he was happy to sign it. And in Holloway case, apparently his agent was only working for him, and he probably just got bad advice and was coaxed by Broberg and his agent.
People can blame Jackson and Bowman all they want but they werent worth those deals and I personally don’t think Broberg wanted to be here anyway. Holloway just got played, got bad advice and was in the cross hairs.
I'll give Skinner some credit, he did make some big saves and had stretches of solid play in the playoffs.
That said all this sophomore babying the guy shit is now over. He's had two full years as a starter now, is turning 26, six different playoff rounds including a game 7 of a Cup Final ... there's no more excuses.
He better be ready to cook this season from day 1 and show improvement in his game. I expect better from both his regular season and playoff numbers. No ifs, ands, or buts.
.905 in the regular season needs to go back above .910 minimum.
.901 in the playoffs needs to be well over .905 at least.
These aren't unreasonable asks, considering this team was relatively effective at choking out high danger chances.
That said all this sophomore babying the guy shit is now over. He's had two full years as a starter now, is turning 26, six different playoff rounds including a game 7 of a Cup Final ... there's no more excuses.
He better be ready to cook this season from day 1 and show improvement in his game. I expect better from both his regular season and playoff numbers. No ifs, ands, or buts.
.905 in the regular season needs to go back above .910 minimum.
.901 in the playoffs needs to be well over .905 at least.
These aren't unreasonable asks, considering this team was relatively effective at choking out high danger chances.
Florida just won the cup with a goalie who posted under .900 10 times.
Skinner posted under .900 11 times.
I guess Florida just won the cup with a garbage goalie, so it is possible to win the cup with a garbage goalie.
I wonder where you'll be moving the goalposts to after this one, backs gotta be getting sore.
