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Burnt Biscuits

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It'd be nice to grab Kovalchuk at league minimum and see if he can get something going on this team.

I think his contract gets terminated tomorrow.

What are others opinions around here on him?
Not an NHL player anymore, painfully one dimensional, even in a soft minutes role is getting his face caved in. He belongs in the KHL, he'll earn more money there than league minimum anyway, let him milk his name recognition while it still means something.
 
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Magnum23

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I'd say it's more like.

"Dude you got 20 grand for your car? Pshh I got a worse car for my car. I'm winning cause I have an actual car and all you got is 20k"

Lol but the 2nd dude might say “but you sold your car when it was only 6 years old with 90k km on it.

The same car is now 10 years old with 160k km and I got $20k for it. Which could potentially buy 2 brand new cars with more 0 mileage on it”

car argument aside the way I look at it:

Oilers win deal : if Larson plays a big role and helps the Oilers win a cup.

Coyotes win deal: If Hall helps them win a cup.

NJD wins deal: If both both Oilers and Yotes choke and both (Hall and Larsson leave) and the assets they get turn into legit core players for their teams.
 
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The Hound

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It'd be nice to grab Kovalchuk at league minimum and see if he can get something going on this team.

I think his contract gets terminated tomorrow.

What are others opinions around here on him?
I’d still take Kovy. He’s insanely slow, shot isn’t what it used to be (obviously) but it’s still better than our current righties. Give him Nuge’s spot on the PP.
 

OilerTitanFan

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So glad Hall is with the Coyotes, no more talks about him coming here. Next Hart trophy player we can target now is Sidney Crosby. Someone should interview Crosby and see if he likes to play with McDavid, then there will be a 50 page thread about trade proposals for Crosby like we had with Hall. I would start by offering our 1st for 2020 and 2021, Nurse and any roster player not named McDavid or Draisaitl.
 
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GhostfaceWu

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So glad Hall is with the Coyotes, no more talks about him coming here. Next Hart trophy player we can target now is Sidney Crosby. Someone should interview Crosby and see if he likes to play with McDavid, then there will be a 50 page thread about trade proposals for Crosby like we had with Hall. I would start by offering our 1st for 2020 and 2021, Nurse and any roster player not named McDavid or Draisaitl.
Congratz on the dumb post.
 

guymez

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So Krieder might be a realistic get. He would be a great fit on the 2nd line.
Especially if Drai is the centre.
 
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What would our blueline look like right now if we had kept John Marino? Right shot D man that works the PP for the penguins. Larsson, Bear and Marino on the right side would be nice. This leaves Benning with pressbox duties.
 
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Burnt Biscuits

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I’d still take Kovy. He’s insanely slow, shot isn’t what it used to be (obviously) but it’s still better than our current righties. Give him Nuge’s spot on the PP.
His points per 60 and goals per 60 on the powerplay are lower than Nuge's each of the past 2 seasons, Chiasson's PP points per 60 numbers are better as well. In 18/19 Kovy's PP numbers were in line with a 2nd/3rd line tweener, in 19/20 they are at a level I'd expect from an AHL scrub.

I don't think we are so desperate for a shot that we need to take on a garbage player, if you just want a pure shot you could grab Martin Frk for next to nothing who's a better overall player than Kovy is right now, despite being flawed himself. Kovy has a 26% GF% at 5 on 5 in a soft minutes role, that is god awful you run from players like that.

As an aside there seems to be too much bitching about our PP and the personnel on it considering it's #1 in the league right now. If we make an acquisition I'd hope it would make us a better 5 on 5 team, while not subtracting from the core that makes our special teams good.
 

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I personally circle back to Brandon Saad. He's got some decent speed and a goal scorer's touch, isn't too old. He's on pace for about 26 goals this year.

The Hawks were rumored to have interest in Puljujarvi.

Maybe something like Saad @2 million retained for Poolparty + some salary dump.

They get a piece that can go with the younger guys they are retooling around (Strome, DeBrincat, etc.) and we get a proven NHL winger that can pot some goals and is under contract for next year also.

You could maybe try running

RNH McDavid Kassian
Saad Draisaitl Neal

Or something.
 

Paralyzer008

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I'll say this for sure.

If Ken Holland won't move our 1st for a former MVP, then he better keep it. No excuse to flip it for anything less unless it's a REALLY good young player under control.

Athanasiou wouldn't cut it for me. Something stinks if Yzerman is willing to move him and his defensive play/underlying numbers suggest he's a huge drag at 5v5.
 

space321

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Actually what you said was “Bouchard or Benson and a first.” And without any kind of punctuation in that sentence, the reader has to infer what you’re meaning. So while I inferred your meaning incorrectly, I’d prefer you to not insult my reading - which is fine - and suggest adding some punctuation or clarifying words to your statements (ie, “Benson and a first, or Bouchard” would read loud and clear).

I realize that our bottom nine is an issue. But attempting to fix 9 ****ing positions with one player who hasn’t proven he can win any better than our current club makes very little sense, especially when your proposal makes many of the other 8 positions weaker PLUS our D weaker PLUS our defensive prospects weaker.

And nowhere did I say we shouldn’t make any trades, so don’t put words in my mouth. I don’t think trading for Hall would have been a good move, as per my arguments, but making smaller trades to shore up the middle six is something I have time for.

Oh I see what you mean, but actually the way you interpreted at first is right. But I did not mean to imply Benson = Bouchard, just that either prospect + 1st would've been a better core to the trade than whatever the 'yotes gave up. Price is obviously steep, but you're missing a couple of key points.

Bringing in Hall without giving up roster players (as shitty as those roster players are) does not create more holes. In fact, it would make the lineup more balanced, as having Hall/RNH/McDavid/Drai split up 2 and 2 on the top 6 pushes down guys like Gagner/Chiasson/Khaira/etc. into the bottom 6, this actually improves the bottom 6 as guys are no longer forced to play above their ceiling (which has been a problem with this team for YEARS). Our 2nd line is missing a player exactly like Hall who can drive the offense at even strength. If he and RNH were our 2nd line, it would no doubt make RNH better, I can garuantee it. Not to mention, it might even take some of the pressure off of Larsson because he's no longer the brunt of "141" jokes.

However, if we go by your preference, making smaller trades to shore up the middle six is much easier said than done. What players are out there that fit this bill? Keep in mind you need to look at teams that are sellers. The players on those teams' top 6 are usually not actual top 6 quality, otherwise their team wouldn't really be sellers. You don't seem to realise that Hall would've shifted around our team and made a lot of players better (by being on a line with him, or sheltering them from tough opposition). It's not a simple "Oh here's Hall, that's it". Hall would've balanced this forward group single-handedly.

Also, I'm not even gonna pretend like our prospects even matter in this case. McDavid is 23, Draisaitl is 24. How long are we going to wait for prospects to HOPEFULLY pan out? 2 or 3 years tops? How often does a guy like Hall become available in a trade? Once every 2 or 3 years? How often does a guy that actually has a connection to Edmonton, and actually doesn't publically rule out playing here become available? Once every 5 years is probably being generous.

I'm gonna be honest, I'm pissed Holland couldn't beat Coyote's pitiful offer. The only thing worth a damn in that package was the 1st round pick. None of those prospects are really top tier. Like I said, Bouchard/Benson are better than all of them. We could've beat that package with guys like Lagesson, Jones, Bear, Yamamoto, etc. Do you really think trading 2 or 3 of those guys is weakening this team?

Whatever, the opportunity came and went. This team will continue to mire around as a 2-man team. Going nowhere fast.
 

Quinteoilers

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I'll say this for sure.

If Ken Holland won't move our 1st for a former MVP, then he better keep it. No excuse to flip it for anything less unless it's a REALLY good young player under control.

Athanasiou wouldn't cut it for me. Something stinks if Yzerman is willing to move him and his defensive play/underlying numbers suggest he's a huge drag at 5v5.
Maybe try and get Anthony Mantha, huge guy (6’5”-225lbs) only 25 years old. Decent speed and scoring touch.
 

Fourier

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Maybe try and get Anthony Mantha, huge guy (6’5”-225lbs) only 25 years old. Decent speed and scoring touch.
He's probably the Wings second best player. He is 25 which is young enough to be part of their rebuild. I doubt Detroit has any interest in moving him without a massive over pay.
 

The Hound

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His points per 60 and goals per 60 on the powerplay are lower than Nuge's each of the past 2 seasons, Chiasson's PP points per 60 numbers are better as well. In 18/19 Kovy's PP numbers were in line with a 2nd/3rd line tweener, in 19/20 they are at a level I'd expect from an AHL scrub.

I don't think we are so desperate for a shot that we need to take on a garbage player, if you just want a pure shot you could grab Martin Frk for next to nothing who's a better overall player than Kovy is right now, despite being flawed himself. Kovy has a 26% GF% at 5 on 5 in a soft minutes role, that is god awful you run from players like that.

As an aside there seems to be too much *****ing about our PP and the personnel on it considering it's #1 in the league right now. If we make an acquisition I'd hope it would make us a better 5 on 5 team, while not subtracting from the core that makes our special teams good.
I’d trust an aging Kovy to bury more feeds from 97/29/93 than from dusters in LA. The Kings offense and PP are absolute dogshit, a whopping 12% PP so far this year and close to last in 18/19 too. It really isn’t surprising Kovy’s stats are worse than even Chiasson’s, who finessed our org after his lucky season and is now pretty much a non factor every game - though he is funny to watch most of the time.

For dirt cheap I definitely have time for him. I don’t think we’re in any position to scoff at a player who last played over a month ago, yet would still be one of our higher scoring forwards. Sure he’s slow, but we all remember how many gimmes Looch could’ve had and he is a fridge with stone hands.

I doubt he signs here if we do go after him, if he can’t sign in any desirable city in the US then it’s back to Russia, in my opinion. If he does for some reason actually sign here let’s just hope it’s not because Holland handed him a Dats-esque type of deal.
 

The Hound

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I'll say this for sure.

If Ken Holland won't move our 1st for a former MVP, then he better keep it. No excuse to flip it for anything less unless it's a REALLY good young player under control.

Athanasiou wouldn't cut it for me. Something stinks if Yzerman is willing to move him and his defensive play/underlying numbers suggest he's a huge drag at 5v5.
Bertuzzi is the only Red Wing I want, his value is probably too high though.
 

PinSeeker

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So I will repeat what Stauffer suggested the Oilers would need to give to get Hall:
Broberg/Bouchard
1st rounder
conditional 1st

Compare that to what NJ actually got. Does anyone really believe big boy anymore? Clueless.
 

Not Canada Drai

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Players I would target to fill random holes.

Michael Amadio
Vincent Trocheck
Josh Anderson
Marcus Sorensen
Kevin Fiala
Shayne Gostisbehere
Sami Vatanen
 
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