Shumakov would find a place on McDavid's wing
I thought Zykov / Puljujarvi / Rattie / Chaisson / (insert any other underperforming AHL, PTO or waiver wire pickup here) had that spot reserved?
Shumakov would find a place on McDavid's wing
Ryan with 1.25 retained for Lucic actually makes a lot of sense for both teams. We don’t gain cap, but get the more offensive player. They save millions of dollars for their cheap owner, and get a gritty leader to help the young guys
Them retaining kills any value in making that deal for them.
They trade a useful player for a useless one and now you're taking away 3.75 million in incentives.
No reason to try to sell the grit and leadership stuff either. He hasn't brought that here or at least it hasn't helped, no reason to believe he'd make that difference there.
If they would consider it it'd have to be purely about money and that's why they have no reason to retain.
One of the very few deals that makes any sense is Ryan for Lucic but I think something like this doesn't happen until the summer of 2020 after his $3M bonus is paid and his deal is down to $10M on an $18M AAV over 3 years, and the Oilers will still probably have to retain
I agree about the timeline. I don’t agree about the retention though. Maybe for a different team, but it’s all down to money with Melnyk. No way we should retain. They can retain and still save money.
And ya, and amnesty buyout solves things for us. I doubt it happens again though
Depends on if Ryan is providing any offence or not. If he is scoring a dozen goals and Lucic 2 we may have to eat half a mil or something small but yeah I get your point.
As for amnesty I can see it happening for sure as contracts fundamentally change in the next 2 years. A lot of teams will be caught overpaying aging players as the RFA coming out of his entry level deal will be demanding more. Teams will be pushing for it hard. Was reported in a podcast as well. Can’t remember whose but there was discussion amnesty buyouts could be anticipated.
I would take the middle one all dayEven then though, I’d rather give them a pick to offset the player difference. With our top heavy structure, cap space is one of the most valuable things we could get.
Hypothetically speaking, if you had 3 choices
Lucic for Ryan
Lucic and a 2nd for Ryan (1.25 retained)
Lucic and a first for Ryan (2.5 retained)
What do you take? I’d be tempted to give up whatever it takes to get as small of cap hit as possible
Even then though, I’d rather give them a pick to offset the player difference. With our top heavy structure, cap space is one of the most valuable things we could get.
Hypothetically speaking, if you had 3 choices
Lucic for Ryan
Lucic and a 2nd for Ryan (1.25 retained)
Lucic and a first for Ryan (2.5 retained)
What do you take? I’d be tempted to give up whatever it takes to get as small of cap hit as possible
I give up picks vs cash I agree. Just circle back to Melnyk and how cash strapped he is and it won’t get better 2 years from now. With Ottawa I wouldn’t be surprised if they forego picks and want a low salary.
Its funny everyone figuring out ways to get rid of Lucic. The media insists Lucic is part of something called the "identity line" and hes doing really really well.
Give me a ****ing break.
True but there’s still cost. Not saying it isn’t doable as draft picks as it most certainly is. I just see bottom line dollars being the primary motivating factor for the Sens.That’s where the sell job comes in though. Picks give them a cost controlled asset
True but there’s still cost. Not saying it isn’t doable as draft picks as it most certainly is. I just see bottom line dollars being the primary motivating factor for the Sens.
That's about how I see it as well. His production is non-existent.He is doing well on that line. He’s just not able to produce at a level worthy of his contract. If we were back in the days where we weren’t up against the cap, there’d be no reason to get rid of him
The identity line is just a nice way of saying shitty players who have cap hits too big to bury in the AHL.Its funny everyone figuring out ways to get rid of Lucic. The media insists Lucic is part of something called the "identity line" and hes doing really really well.
Give me a ****ing break.
Not this offseason. That was the ask from Canes fans, but I don't remember a lot saying they'd deal Nuge for Faulk this past summer
That's about how I see it as well. His production is non-existent.
I actually see the Leafs going into the playoffs with their high octane offense. If they fail, they're going to take shot at signing Pietrangelo after next year when the salary cap increases to 85+ or so
That line wears out defensemen I guess, I mean they would be physically difficult to play against. I mean I don't know that Kassian has been as unproductive as Lucic, but they aren't getting much done overall.I'm not sure exactly what that lines does. But I think it does work as an effective way of taking Kassian and Lucic and isolating them to one line to keep them from pulling the rest of the team down around them. If they both have to be on the team, might as well put them on one line.
Why didn't Chiarelli structure Lucic's contract like Nylanders and pay him most of it in his first few years? He'd be a lot easier to trade of his actual salary was $3M for the last half of the contract
2020-21 | NMC | $6,000,000 | $6,000,000 | $0 | $3,000,000 | $1,000,000 | $4,000,000 | $4,000,000 |
2021-22 | Modified NTC, NMC | $6,000,000 | $6,000,000 | $0 | $2,500,000 | $2,500,000 | $5,000,000 | $5,000,000 |
2022-23 | Modified NTC, NMC | $6,000,000 | $6,000,000 | $0 | $3,000,000 | $1,000,000 | $4,000,000 | $4,000,000 |
Which is why you'd try to find a way of putting them together in a way that they could be of some use to the team without them negating the use of our primary contributors, no?The identity line is just a nice way of saying ****ty players who have cap hits too big to bury in the AHL.
I thought Zykov / Puljujarvi / Rattie / Chaisson / (insert any other underperforming AHL, PTO or waiver wire pickup here) had that spot reserved?
They'd be over the cap in the first fifteen minutes on the job.It was the off season before that. But that is not exactly ancient history. As bad as Chia has been if many of the arm chair gm's were running the show things would be a lot worse despite many claims otherwise.
In a way it does, since it goes from 8 million to 4 million. That's the max that a team can make a contract decline.Why didn't Chiarelli structure Lucic's contract like Nylanders and pay him most of it in his first few years? He'd be a lot easier to trade of his actual salary was $3M for the last half of the contract
Why didn't Chiarelli structure Lucic's contract like Nylanders and pay him most of it in his first few years? He'd be a lot easier to trade of his actual salary was $3M for the last half of the contract
It was the off season before that. But that is not exactly ancient history. As bad as Chia has been if many of the arm chair gm's were running the show things would be a lot worse despite many claims otherwise.