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Roy the Ongoing Discussion
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Once you wave the white flag on a season, you promote your prospects to the big club and give them a long look to see what you have, except here in Lou Land. Here Lou trades the team's best goal scorer and tells the rest of the team "I hobbled you but go grind out a playoff spot because that's our DNA."
Lou Lamoriello is living in a past reality where if you play lunchpail hockey it's an honorable way to go down, the future be damned. Franchise malpractice.
First, the time to give the young guys a look was the game after the trade deadline and for the rest of this season. Now, while it may seem futile, it's still a chance for prospects to get actual NHL experience and something they can carry with them through the summer and into training camp in September. That part is never a waste of time.
Osakahaus
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Roy is a very meh coach when it all is said and done. Sure, he has them play with energy but the team genuinely has no fight when it comes to matters of players being hurt and you have a severe lack of talent. Roy calling out both Duclair and Engvall feels way more of a statement that Roy wanted more snarl out of this team, but instead got a team that's soft as toilet paper.
The grim reality is that this coaching staff is "safe" after the 17th. They won't be fired or questioned beyond the usual closer questions. Horrible if Lou does that.
The grim reality is that this coaching staff is "safe" after the 17th. They won't be fired or questioned beyond the usual closer questions. Horrible if Lou does that.
doublechili
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Just understand that if Lou does fire any coaches, that means he's staying. So, technically we should actually hope for no firings by Lou. Of course, that raises the question of "when". At some point, if we hear nothing about anyone being let go, then maybe your post comes to fruition and everyone comes back. I'm thinking/hoping that's unlikely though.
Watch - Lou fires Roy and promotes McLean to HC.
Osakahaus
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McLean is the perfect nepotism hire and I swear Lou is probably fine thinking he's there. The guy sucks. I really just do not understand why Lou believes that his entire staff is free of criticism and his team cannot be deemed "mediocre" at all.Just understand that if Lou does fire any coaches, that means he's staying. So, technically we should actually hope for no firings by Lou. Of course, that raises the question of "when". At some point, if we hear nothing about anyone being let go, then maybe your post comes to fruition and everyone comes back. I'm thinking/hoping that's unlikely though.
Watch - Lou fires Roy and promotes McLean to HC.
Should be clear that after Lambert and Roy, and the ensuing results, the current GM should not be permitted to dismiss and then hire another coach.
No serious owner would give his GM that much leeway.
No serious owner would give his GM that much leeway.
Lou to the media on clean-out day: "I have to be better." Again.
You know it's coming...
Throttle
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Even if Roy goes, the roster construction is a bit of mess anyway, so a coaching change doesn’t really matter much.
Lou needs to bite the bullet and bring some upheaval to the roster. Move on from the players that are near or past their expired date.
Right now, Lou is being a too conservative for what needs to be done. He backed himself into a bad spot with a bunch of dumb signings year over year. Now, he needs to get out from underneath them.
Lou needs to bite the bullet and bring some upheaval to the roster. Move on from the players that are near or past their expired date.
Right now, Lou is being a too conservative for what needs to be done. He backed himself into a bad spot with a bunch of dumb signings year over year. Now, he needs to get out from underneath them.
Islanders4Cups
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I have always been skeptical of Patrick Roy and this season confirms it for me that he is not a successful Islander coach.
As an Islander fan, you don't have to look further than the teams abysmal record vs their arch rival Rangers. 0-4.
This is only the 4th time in 53 season the Isles went winless agains their arch rivals.
1972-73 Phil Goyette, Earl Ingarfield
1998-99 Mike Milbury, Bill Stewert
2003-04 Steve Stirling
And Patrick Roy this season. Add this was a Rangers team that will be remembered as a historically bad team.
1.25 goals for head to head
5.75 goals against
Add in 1-1-1 last season.
Lets just say that of all the bad Islander teams of the last 20 seasons, they managed to step up for these games going 53-41-8.
There may never be such futility as an Islander coach.
So, if we are going to make an argument to give this coach another chance, lets add some pressure to a coach who cannot seem to get his team to show up against their cross town rival.
Let me throw a name out there as a replacement who I believe was a very good Islander coach at the wrong time.
Jack Capuono (15-14-0) who lead some respectable teams despite Garth Snow would be an excellent hire. I am not surprised to see his name among the list of possible Ranger candidates.
As an Islander fan, you don't have to look further than the teams abysmal record vs their arch rival Rangers. 0-4.
This is only the 4th time in 53 season the Isles went winless agains their arch rivals.
1972-73 Phil Goyette, Earl Ingarfield
1998-99 Mike Milbury, Bill Stewert
2003-04 Steve Stirling
And Patrick Roy this season. Add this was a Rangers team that will be remembered as a historically bad team.
1.25 goals for head to head
5.75 goals against
Add in 1-1-1 last season.
Lets just say that of all the bad Islander teams of the last 20 seasons, they managed to step up for these games going 53-41-8.
There may never be such futility as an Islander coach.
So, if we are going to make an argument to give this coach another chance, lets add some pressure to a coach who cannot seem to get his team to show up against their cross town rival.
Let me throw a name out there as a replacement who I believe was a very good Islander coach at the wrong time.
Jack Capuono (15-14-0) who lead some respectable teams despite Garth Snow would be an excellent hire. I am not surprised to see his name among the list of possible Ranger candidates.
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Not sure what to make of this overall....i like Roy but at this point i can honestly say i am a little skeptical but certainly believe he should be back. I do not like discarding coaches in his position, one with his hands a bit tied. I do not care much for what the players say, they look like they either could not or did not want to put it out there and I believe Lou was of very little help as well.
Granted, 72-73 i was 11 and do not remember anything other than i was at a pair of games and wqe got a puck that came to us in the crowd during one of the games....but not sure how much coaching would have had to do with that.....98-99 was the last year i was in NY and honestly remember very little of that year.....03-04 - radio times but Sterling had a decent enough year with a so so performing roster at 38-28-11-4
I can not come to the conclusion that these teams or coaches really had much to do with it, these things just happen and are truly not an indication of a good or bad coach.
Thrasymachus
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Roy is meh for me.
I would rather him as a GM than coach at this point... and that is more a criticism of Lou than praise of Roy.
I would rather him as a GM than coach at this point... and that is more a criticism of Lou than praise of Roy.
Richie Daggers Crime
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I hope you weren't driving or something when you posted this because something bad happened at the end there.
Islanders4Cups
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Nope Cappy is a respectable coach who certainly wouldn't call out his players in front of the press, deservingly or not.
Pretty sure any of this current teams accomplishments are despite Roy as he has probably lost any remaining trust. You just don’t do it. There are ways to motivate but to embarrass someone to the press is not the way to go. Unprofessional.
IslesNorway
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Roy’s utter failure to fix special teams and his inability to get the best out of his players will be his undoing. Can’t see him staying if Lou is.
doublechili
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Trotz missed the playoffs his last year with this roster. Lambert was a disaster. Roy had had similar results. Maybe Lou will get it right the 4th time hiring a coach or maybe this roster is what it is and coaching isn’t the issue.
NYI has one of the worst forward corps in the entire league and is spending $10M a year in cap hit for goaltending that hasn’t been great. Until the GM is gone complaining about coaching isn’t a waste of time IMO.
NYI has one of the worst forward corps in the entire league and is spending $10M a year in cap hit for goaltending that hasn’t been great. Until the GM is gone complaining about coaching isn’t a waste of time IMO.
Rehabguy
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Yes, Roy made it very clear that he had problems with how his roster was constructed even when it was completely healthy and while they were on their strong run to the playoffs last year. He commented that “this was the roster Lou gave him”. This is not the same balanced roster that was well within its prime when it made those two ECF runs. It was Lou's decision to hobble this team's speed by dropping players like Leddy, Eberle, Toews, and Beauvillier and replaced them with grittier but slower players. It's amazing how poorly constructed this team's offense is without Barzal or Nelson in the line-up. Those other 4 players balanced this team's offense with their speed. Roy knows it was wanting and back then he wasn’t afraid to be vocal what he needed from his GM regardless of who it was. He’s hard on his players just the same. That’s the way it should be and something this franchise has been missing for a long time- accountability.
I also love how he consistently recognizes the team’s responsibility to its fans. It’s refreshing to have someone call it as it is. He knows these guys make a lot of money and he takes his responsibilities seriously and holds his players accountable. I also like how he is selective in who he calls out in the press particularly well compensated veterans who should know better. Engvall and Duclair have been in the league long enough to know better and hasn’t Engvall been playing better since the public lashing?
At the same time Roy also demonstrates that he understands how fragile younger players can be and although some needed a lot of coaching (Dobson) he keeps those conversations private and unlike a previous coach (Trotz) doesn’t call them out publicly that may end up hurting their development in the long run. This is wise leadership and it is no surprise he has done so well coaching younger players to national championships which is exactly the kind of coach this team needs given it’s retooling / rebuilding status via the draft.
Could Roy have taken this team to the playoffs again this year if it weren’t for all the injuries? Absolutely and without a doubt especially this year. He did it last year with a worse roster. But even if it made the playoffs I believe even he knew it would have been a long shot to win the Cup. Better things ended up this way so he can start fresh with hopefully a younger stronger roster. It’s up to Lou now. Roy is not the problem the roster is.
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