Roy the Ongoing Discussion

Also didn’t watch that debacle against the Rangers as I was in Port Canaveral with my nieces and nephew getting them ready for a Disney Cruise but I checked the score and laughed. Roy shouldn’t have to explain himself. Lou made this bed and he needs to sleep in it and answer to it as well.
 
at least Roy manned up to the Lennox flub and didnt blame the previous administration.

season is a write off aside from Holmstroms development and the cup of coffee that George had proved we have somethin in him (steady 5-6 , 4-5 mobile 2 way guy)

I think Roy and Lou are around for at least 1 more season .
 
There's enough talent there.....maybe not to win a cup, but certainly to make the playoffs. Roy failed, and special teams are a big part of it. DeAngelo is an upgrade on the Cholowski/Boquist types and Holmstrom had a strong development season. Team could have done better under better coaching imo.
I don't know. When I looked at this roster in October, before the injuries to Barzal and others, I saw a fringe team that might again squeak into the playoffs and lose in the first round. And I think that's exactly what they are. A team in dire need of a rebuild around a retained core of maybe 5 guys
 
Unlike a couple of years ago, the team actually can now (or upon re-signing Dobson and Romanov) trade away other assets and keep a core of guys that are locked up long term. The concern earlier was that if they tore it down a Sorokin would not have extended and instead went UFA and sign with the Devs or someone. Now, whatever you call it, you can move forward around Sorokin, Barzal, Horvat, Dobson, Romanov, Holmstrom, etc.. Take a step back for a year or so and then hopefully contend with guys a new GM gets (plus restock the pipeline by keeping picks).
 
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Unlike a couple of years ago, the team actually can now (or upon re-signing Dobson and Romanov) trade away other assets and keep a core of guys that are locked up long term. The concern earlier was that if they tore it down a Sorokin would not have extended and instead went UFA and sign with the Devs or someone. Now, whatever you call it, you can move forward around Sorokin, Barzal, Horvat, Dobson, Romanov, Holmstrom, etc.. Take a step back for a year or so and then hopefully contend with guys a new GM gets (plus restock the pipeline by keeping picks).
Nice.

Where does Roy fit in all this?
 
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at least Roy manned up to the Lennox flub and didnt blame the previous administration.

season is a write off aside from Holmstroms development and the cup of coffee that George had proved we have somethin in him (steady 5-6 , 4-5 mobile 2 way guy)

I think Roy and Lou are around for at least 1 more season .
And with that, we will continues to see this garbage on and off the ice next year. So expect the same results.
 
And with that, we will continues to see this garbage on and off the ice next year. So expect the same results.
Can’t have it both ways. I said this fanbase is not ready or emotionally capable of handling any retool let alone rebuild. Lou believed in the current roster that 5 years ago or so was capable but with all these injuries and his absurd loyalties to extinct ex Devil players he has brought this team to where it is today. But that said he appears to now realize a retool is necessary and we’re just going to have to be learn to be patient. No coach, not even the more than capable Roy can fix this mess without astute moves by the team’s GM.

And BTW for large chunks of this season Roy played with a left sided AHL defense, no players at forward as playmakers, and in the last game forced to play 2 AHL goalies. How is Roy held to blame in all of this when this team as average as it was when healthy played extremely well sans PP which is really McCleans responsibility but Lou has kept the guy behind the bench.
 
Can’t have it both ways. I said this fanbase is not ready or emotionally capable of handling any retool let alone rebuild. Lou believed in the current roster that 5 years ago or so was capable but with all these injuries and his absurd loyalties to extinct ex Devil players he has brought this team to where it is today. But that said he appears to now realize a retool is necessary and we’re just going to have to be learn to be patient. No coach, not even the more than capable Roy can fix this mess without astute moves by the team’s GM.

And BTW for large chunks of this season Roy played with a left sided AHL defense, no players at forward as playmakers, and in the last game forced to play 2 AHL goalies. How is Roy held to blame in all of this when this team as average as it was when healthy played extremely well sans PP which is really McCleans responsibility but Lou has kept the guy behind the bench.
Sorry Rehabguy, I'm really not trying to be mean but you are exactly the type of fan that is the problem. You see it as a minor tweak, and that the issues in this organization is minor. A break here or there we make the playoffs. Wow, really, so a break here or there we possibly squeak into the last playoff spot to get bounces in the 1st round again! You and other fans such as yourself put up with this and continue the support. You continue to make excuses for Lou, Roy and the team. Every freaking team has injuries, stop!! You act like we (isles) don't get any breaks. Did you know we are the least penalized team? We get so many breaks with referees not calling us for holding, hooking and interference....

This Organization is just a disaster....

- Lou does not see that this team needs to retool. Hell if Nelson (thank you Nelson) didn't reject Lou's contract offer, he would have 100% signed him. Lou couldn't get himself to move Parms either. JOKE
- Everyone needs to stop talking about the 2 times we went to the conference finals. That core, is done there are TOO old!!!
- If you think Malkin cares you are kidding yourself. He's just looking at selling tickets.
- Our coaches - are pitiful....please tell me I'm wrong.
-Look at what Lou had done to the AHL and our farm system!!! We are the worst in HISTORY....So Lou does nothing, keeps his son in charge.

What are you seeing that I'm not????
 
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I don't know. When I looked at this roster in October, before the injuries to Barzal and others, I saw a fringe team that might again squeak into the playoffs and lose in the first round. And I think that's exactly what they are. A team in dire need of a rebuild around a retained core of maybe 5 guys
I thought the same thing. They could have made playoffs this season with less injuries, but even with the injuries that could have made the playoffs with just an even middling PP. This season was all coaching failures and not roster dependent, imo. Still would like to see LL replaced, but I'm just calling it how I see it.
 
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Sorry Rehabguy, I'm really not trying to be mean but you are exactly the type of fan that is the problem. You see it as a minor tweak, and that the issues in this organization is minor. A break here or there we make the playoffs. Wow, really, so a break here or there we possibly squeak into the last playoff spot to get bounces in the 1st round again! You and other fans such as yourself put up with this and continue the support. You continue to make excuses for Lou, Roy and the team. Every freaking team has injuries, stop!! You act like we (isles) don't get any breaks. Did you know we are the least penalized team? We get so many breaks with referees not calling us for holding, hooking and interference....

This Organization is just a disaster....

- Lou does not see that this team needs to retool. Hell if Nelson (thank you Nelson) didn't reject Lou's contract offer, he would have 100% signed him. Lou couldn't get himself to move Parms either. JOKE
- Everyone needs to stop talking about the 2 times we went to the conference finals. That core, is done there are TOO old!!!
- If you think Malkin cares you are kidding yourself. He's just looking at selling tickets.
- Our coaches - are pitiful....please tell me I'm wrong.
-Look at what Lou had done to the AHL and our farm system!!! We are the worst in HISTORY....So Lou does nothing, keeps his son in charge.

What are you seeing that I'm not????
I’m seeing everything you see. I just think Roy can fix all that. I’m all in for Roy taking over this organization in its totality. Say it as it is as he did with Duclair and Engvall. Is this not what we need? This organization does not need anyone who will sugarcoat the situation we are in. And take this team to a championship which he has done at every level throughout his career from player, coach, GM, and owner. All the things you mentioned are getting in his way but himself. He knows what needs to be done but his hands are tied and the changes necessary are major at this point. Hiring this coach as GM I guarantee you will not lead to the same debacle as in Nashville because this coach has real experience at that level. Heck if Roy could buy the team I would say let him! Like I said separate the baby from the bath water. All things out of his control aside Roy was doing a fine job. That’s the problem with this fanbase. They all wanted Lou and look what that got us. I was totally against hiring him for the very reasons you see today. I separated the GM at that time from the coach. We didn’t need to get rid of both. In regards to Lou this exact situation we are currently in got him kicked out of NJ. Why can’t people learn from history?
 
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I think you blow it all up. Fire Lamoriello and Roy, trade Dobson and anyone worth anything. Need a total rebuild. Would love to land James Hagens in a trade/trade up.

Roy is one of my favorite players of all time, but the team has turned on him. I don’t have any ideas as far as replacements for Lamoriello & Roy, I just think the team has to move on.
 
I think you blow it all up. Fire Lamoriello and Roy, trade Dobson and anyone worth anything. Need a total rebuild. Would love to land James Hagens in a trade/trade up.

Roy is one of my favorite players of all time, but the team has turned on him. I don’t have any ideas as far as replacements for Lamoriello & Roy, I just think the team has to move on.
The only part of your post that I hedge on is trading Dobson. If the return is right, then sure. But, it seems to me that his game went totally south when Roy came in. Before that he was looking pretty good. I could see him bouncing back - the problem though is they have to make a big decision on his contract before then.

I'm in favor of cleaning house too. I don't see a situation where Lou goes and Roy stays. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for the reverse (ie., I would be disappointed but not shocked if Lou stays and Roy goes).
 
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Is there any reason for Sorokin to be in a game now? What’s the point! Another Roy head scratcher.
 
I think you blow it all up. Fire Lamoriello and Roy, trade Dobson and anyone worth anything. Need a total rebuild. Would love to land James Hagens in a trade/trade up.

Roy is one of my favorite players of all time, but the team has turned on him. I don’t have any ideas as far as replacements for Lamoriello & Roy, I just think the team has to move on.
This is how I see the usual HFboards Islanders fan reaction. I see no redeemable qualities to anything I see on the ice so blow it all up. This knee jerk reaction is what gets franchises in trouble and I’ve never seen any franchise being successful in taking this approach. Firing Lou Lamiorello and hiring Roy would be a major move and the team would have moved on. But be careful what you wish for. This mentality is how we ended up with Lou in the first place and if we were speaking of his handiwork up to this day he left the team in worse shape than when he took it over which is unacceptable. Just mindlessly reshuffling the deck or even taking out an entirely new deck of cards would make absolutely no difference at all unless you had an actual plan in place but this naive way of approaching things won’t help this franchise.
 
Lou decided on Lambert. Lou decided on Roy.

He should have no more opportunities to annoint another coach.

Their results are his results.

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We've reached that point where the owners must be aware that continue on this path is to play in an empty building next season.
 
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Is there any reason for Sorokin to be in a game now? What’s the point! Another Roy head scratcher.

In an ever-growing list thereof...

Absolutely mindblowing IMHO.

I'd almost say he's trying to get fired but I'd be surprised if he actually gets to make line-up decisions without Lou's approval.

The doozy of all decisions for me right now is getting blown out by your archrival at home - and then going with the exact same 12 skaters the next game.

Un-f§$%ing-fathomable.

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All in all, I'm still stuck here thinking about how Lou could've pretty much gone the Sweeney route at the deadline, taken a look at some of the boys on the farm down the stretch, given the fans something to watch and ponder about moving forward, and had this team winding up to the tune of a top 5 pick this summer.

Alone moving Nelson in a Barzelless season was death knell enough with respect to any playoff ambitions. That was already waving the white flag.

Then talking like it was anything other than that... such directionlessness.

PS) Regarding Boston, I have ZERO doubt that they're gonna have fun with their 8 draft picks and then be solidly active as of July 1st. With Pastrnak, McAvoy, and a healthly Lindholm, they'll have no problem bouncing back next season. None. I've already got them booked for the 25-26 playoffs.
 
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I do not see any problem with Sorokin playing. If he is healthy and wants to play, fine.
He seemingly was healthy and played well. Good for him.

Putting any of the young guys in at this point to "see what they can do" is worthless...just play out the last three and call it a season...end our misery. It truly does not matter one way or the other....all is going to hinge on what happens over the course of the off season. There too, there is little to no matter who is our GM or coach at this point. Something to look forward to?

As for Roy.....i like him, still. We really have no clue as to how the locker room is working out but i tend to feel Roy has trying to teach old dogs new tricks with not so much success, be it they can not or they do not want to. Roy has a great track record teaching new dogs.....so as this team goes, it is either get an old coach who has old tricks, or get Roy some new dogs (and some new handlers).
 

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