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Okay, I was not a Roy fan mostly because of the bad PP and PK, but the team continuing to win as he plugs in new players may be cause for a reevaluation. :nod:
 
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doublechili said:
Okay, I was not a Roy fan mostly because of the bad PP and PK, but the team continuing to win as he plugs in new players may be cause for a reevaluation. :nod:
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FWIW I think the plan was always to activate the D to reinforce our offense. That didn’t work at first for two reasons: old slow D core and Sorokin not playing like Sorokin.

Now other teams are playing with a beach ball and we’ve got a bunch of twinks jumping up every play. If nothing else, this should serve as proof of concept for whoever is building the roster next season.
 
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The Isles true contender or not Roy has left little doubt that he is the right coach for this team moving forwards. If only he made himself available 6 years ago to think what he could have done with that roster. He’s got this team injuries and all sans Nelson/Barzal they look great 5 on 5 .
 
Whether we make the playoffs or not- Roy's done a great job IMHO through some tough injuries to key contributors, and overall roster limitations. He's clearly an NHL-caliber HC, and when you have one of those, especially as the NYI, I personally wouldn't be too eager to move on from him. Plus, it doesn't hurt that he's scaled the mountain top 4 times as a player.
 
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Roy has done a pretty damned good job with Barzal missing most of the season and now Brock Nelson gone. Add in season ending injuries to Varlamov and his replacement missing a bunch of games. Also injuries on defense for a bunch of games too. He was really behind the 8 ball most of the season, and to have this team 2 points out of the playoffs with 13 games to go is pretty amazing.
 
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The debate continues.

Is Roy an asset and someone to build around for next season? The answer changes week to week.
Same for Barzal, Lee, Sorokin, Pulock and others.

Somehow, lost in the discussion is the obvious elephant in the room. It’s the GM who created this mess and he’s the critical component that needs to be replaced before this franchise moves forward.

Let me put it another way. Let’s assume the Isles were to replace Roy or Lou but just one of them. Which of those moves gives the Isles a better chance of success 3 years from now?
 
Lou and Roy need to be shown the door....What Roy did to Lennox last night is just another sign he's a bad coach....
 
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doublechili said:
I now disavow my last somewhat positive post after the winning streak with fill-ins and revert to my previous position that I'm not a fan. Total house-cleaning is in order.
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Yup, I got sucked in a little bit too. Not so much because of any streaks one way or another, but I just felt, and still do, that the problems were really all related to the roster. However, like you, last night cemented the deal for me. He needs to go with everyone else. I love his passion but you need to also be able to keep your head when things get tough and we have seen too many instances where that is a problem for him.
 
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The Real JT said:
The debate continues.

Is Roy an asset and someone to build around for next season? The answer changes week to week.
Same for Barzal, Lee, Sorokin, Pulock and others.

Somehow, lost in the discussion is the obvious elephant in the room. It’s the GM who created this mess and he’s the critical component that needs to be replaced before this franchise moves forward.

Let me put it another way. Let’s assume the Isles were to replace Roy or Lou but just one of them. Which of those moves gives the Isles a better chance of success 3 years from now?
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It's hardly an elephant in the room at this point. It's been the number one topic of discussion here for months, if not years. But as has been pointed out by myself and others more recently, even Lou is no longer the problem, the problem is the ownership that continues to allow the Lamoriello family to mismanage the organization from bottom to top.

I mean, are they really going to let Eiserman, Ritchie and hopefully some other decent and potentially impactful prospects become more Bridgeport / player development casualties under this regime? It's enough to make you cry, well, certainly their respective mothers and fathers anyway.
 
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Do we really want Roy handling our young talent in guys like Ritchie, Eiserman, Nelson, etc, etc.?? Not me.
 
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I said in another thread and I’ll repeat it here. Roy is not a good coach with Xs and Os. His line matching and game management is poor. He makes some really bizarre decisions. I think he cost us 4 wins that I can remember.

However…

I think he’s frustrated. I don’t think he’s ever coached a team this bad before. How he got a Lou-hobbled team to play for him after the TDL until now is amazing.

That being said, if Lou goes Roy should not be a holdover to saddle the next GM with.
 
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Maybe Roy was a good coach 10-15 years ago. Maybe he benefited from circumstances that outperformed his own abilities as a coach winning an Adams.

Either way, I say Roy jumped the shark in the 9-2 loss and has shown repeatedly he isn’t the guy for this team. Eat the 2 years and get rid of him and Lou together and start a refit starting with a front office that has an understanding of what today’s athlete, fan expects. Lou’s judgment is not what it was and the game and league and business has changed. Roy was an interesting hire but I think we all knew it was combustible.
 
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I get that Roy has a very weak roster to work with, but to me there are a number of red flags with Roy - the poor PP and PK first and foremost; ridiculously early goalie pulls, the benching of Engvall when other guys were playing much worse, the role he played in recruiting Duclair, plus a few others. I also question the decision to stick to a man to man defence with this group that seems incapable of playing this style effectively. On cycles, a number of Isles constantly lose their man, exposing lanes for point shots and tips.
I think it’s time for a complete clear out, including the entire coaching staff
 
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Problem is Roy wasn't hired to come in and right a ship, or develop young players, or anything that coaches are hired for on struggling teams. He was brought in to contend. Islanders aren't contending, so he's part of the problem.

Hey, if he was brought in and Islanders had already started a rebuild, I'd be more patient. But, to come in you'd expect to see improvement somewhere. Where has there been any improvement?

Blowing third period leads - no improvement
Power play - no improvement
Penalty kill - no improvement

I mean, realistically is there anything we can say Roy is doing well?
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Roster talent: No improvement
 
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Chockey22 said:
I get that Roy has a very weak roster to work with, but to me there are a number of red flags with Roy - the poor PP and PK first and foremost; ridiculously early goalie pulls, the benching of Engvall when other guys were playing much worse, the role he played in recruiting Duclair, plus a few others. I also question the decision to stick to a man to man defence with this group that seems incapable of playing this style effectively. On cycles, a number of Isles constantly lose their man, exposing lanes for point shots and tips.
I think it’s time for a complete clear out, including the entire coaching staff
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With Engvall, Roy likely saw that the talent was there and that he had a lot more to give. Not sure you can say that about a large part of the roster. And look, it worked. Engvall has been pretty darned good.
 
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There's enough talent there.....maybe not to win a cup, but certainly to make the playoffs. Roy failed, and special teams are a big part of it. DeAngelo is an upgrade on the Cholowski/Boquist types and Holmstrom had a strong development season. Team could have done better under better coaching imo.
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Hmmm...sorry, barely enough talent to be a .500+ team in the AHL
 
No one should be complaining how the team is performing. From the arguments that the team is better without Barzal on the ice to the demands that Nelson be traded, and to the hopes the team loses games to earn a higher draft position. What do those people expect? This should be exactly what those people hoped for and expect. I understand fans can be fickle and dumb but Lou should have seen enough evidence when this team was healthy and somewhat equipped to understand that Roy is still the right coach moving forward. Both he and Roy need to evaluate with the remainder of the games which players have already packed it in and those who show character to decide who stays and who goes. But it is inexcusable that there be any players not trying regardless of the teams playoff chances.
 
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