Prospect Info: Round 2 - Pick #58 - D Mason Lohrei - Green Bay Gamblers / USHL - 20/21

[Beesfan]

The only reason people are hard on this pick is because he happened to be our first pick in the draft. People are effectively giving him the scrutiny of a first rounder, when he was picked at the tail end of the second. If he was our third pick and went 63 overall in the third round then not a single person would have a problem here.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

The only reason people are hard on this pick is because he happened to be our first pick in the draft. People are effectively giving him the scrutiny of a first rounder, when he was picked at the tail end of the second. If he was our third pick and went 63 overall in the third round then not a single person would have a problem here.

Not quite....

 

[Tbaybruin]

He turns 20 in January. He should be dominant. Good to see that he is. Love the size and skating ability.

 

[FREDERIC82FAN]

The only reason people are hard on this pick is because he happened to be our first pick in the draft. People are effectively giving him the scrutiny of a first rounder, when he was picked at the tail end of the second. If he was our third pick and went 63 overall in the third round then not a single person would have a problem here.

The above bears repeating

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Some late picks make it
Alot of early picks fail

Fans have to stop this know it all attitude about drafts and prospects

Yes... Most picks fail. If you want to be a genius just say everyone sucks. You will be correct often

But...why?

Why spend so much effort cheering against your team? How can you be happy?

I'm not expecting miracles but its always nice to me when a kid succeeds. I shall cheer these picks until I see no reason for optimism and even then... Its just the norm anyhow

Most late second rounders never play

 

[ChargersRookie]

The above bears repeating

Yes it does, I caught it too. Admittingly it happens to me when I sometimes try to explain too much.

 

[DKH]

Some late picks make it
Alot of early picks fail

Fans have to stop this know it all attitude about drafts and prospects

Yes... Most picks fail. If you want to be a genius just say everyone sucks. You will be correct often

But...why?

Why spend so much effort cheering against your team? How can you be happy?

I'm not expecting miracles but its always nice to me when a kid succeeds. I shall cheer these picks until I see no reason for optimism and even then... Its just the norm anyhow

Most late second rounders never play

Should I stop immediately or the New Year

any suggestions what enjoyable activity I can replace this fun hobby

also if you don’t expect miracles you will never experience

Law of Expectancy

why are you so obsessed with this know it all stuff

who cares

we are having fun

second rounds ?

I didn’t like either Bergeron or Krejci picks

I loved Knight and Spooner

so am I dummy ? Should I stop posting ? Should I put a disclaimer with every opinion

let it go and relax - we watch hockey we read hockey we love hockey and when you combine information and passion maybe we think we know more

it’s ok

I was a know ir all in 1970 and 2020

I was doing this at 10 with Reggie Leach and Jimmy Lorentz

I’m doing this at 60 with Mason Lohrei and Jack Studnicka

it’s what keeps us young

 

[JOKER 192]

Should I stop immediately or the New Year

any suggestions what enjoyable activity I can replace this fun hobby

also if you don’t expect miracles you will never experience

Law of Expectancy

why are you so obsessed with this know it all stuff

who cares

we are having fun

second rounds ?

I didn’t like either Bergeron or Krejci picks

I loved Knight and Spooner

so am I dummy ? Should I stop posting ? Should I put a disclaimer with every opinion

let it go and relax - we watch hockey we read hockey we love hockey and when you combine information and passion maybe we think we know more

it’s ok

I was a know ir all in 1970 and 2020

I was doing this at 10 with Reggie Leach and Jimmy Lorentz

I’m doing this at 60 with Mason Lohrei and Jack Studnicka

it’s what keeps us young

Every poster should read this.

Relax folks, so what if some poster doesn't like a pick or likes more than you think he should?

That is what Boards like this are for. For people to share opinions. Why can't some let that happen.

 

[Blowfish]

Should I stop immediately or the New Year

any suggestions what enjoyable activity I can replace this fun hobby

also if you don’t expect miracles you will never experience

Law of Expectancy

why are you so obsessed with this know it all stuff

who cares

we are having fun

second rounds ?

I didn’t like either Bergeron or Krejci picks

I loved Knight and Spooner

so am I dummy ? Should I stop posting ? Should I put a disclaimer with every opinion

let it go and relax - we watch hockey we read hockey we love hockey and when you combine information and passion maybe we think we know more

it’s ok

I was a know ir all in 1970 and 2020

I was doing this at 10 with Reggie Leach and Jimmy Lorentz

I’m doing this at 60 with Mason Lohrei and Jack Studnicka

it’s what keeps us young

It's called kokozinoitis. Perfectly normal.

 

[yazmybaby]

He turns 20 in January. He should be dominant. Good to see that he is. Love the size and skating ability.

I agree with your post 100%.
I hope he becomes the next Larry Robinson and we have a new " big three" with him Mac and Carlo.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Should I stop immediately or the New Year

any suggestions what enjoyable activity I can replace this fun hobby

also if you don’t expect miracles you will never experience

Law of Expectancy

why are you so obsessed with this know it all stuff

who cares

we are having fun

second rounds ?

I didn’t like either Bergeron or Krejci picks

I loved Knight and Spooner

so am I dummy ? Should I stop posting ? Should I put a disclaimer with every opinion

let it go and relax - we watch hockey we read hockey we love hockey and when you combine information and passion maybe we think we know more

it’s ok

I was a know ir all in 1970 and 2020

I was doing this at 10 with Reggie Leach and Jimmy Lorentz

I’m doing this at 60 with Mason Lohrei and Jack Studnicka

it’s what keeps us young

took me wrong... never accused you of wanting to see the downfall of the team just so you could pat yourself on the back over how smart you were

my post was for those wanting to cruxify the team because sweeny and the boys chose a different pick.

honestly im not sure why a guy who calls himself dont know hockey thought my post criticising know it alls was meant for him in the first place???

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Some late picks make it
Alot of early picks fail

Fans have to stop this know it all attitude about drafts and prospects

Yes... Most picks fail. If you want to be a genius just say everyone sucks. You will be correct often

But...why?

Why spend so much effort cheering against your team? How can you be happy?

I'm not expecting miracles but its always nice to me when a kid succeeds. I shall cheer these picks until I see no reason for optimism and even then... Its just the norm anyhow

Most late second rounders never play

One of the weirdest things I'll never understand with some fans. Great overall post, Alberta.

 

[ODAAT]

Some late picks make it
Alot of early picks fail

Fans have to stop this know it all attitude about drafts and prospects

Yes... Most picks fail. If you want to be a genius just say everyone sucks. You will be correct often

But...why?

Why spend so much effort cheering against your team? How can you be happy?

I'm not expecting miracles but its always nice to me when a kid succeeds. I shall cheer these picks until I see no reason for optimism and even then... Its just the norm anyhow

Most late second rounders never play

likely the most sane and balanced post in this thread. I don`t have nearly the resources at my disposal as some here do when it comes to analyzing prospects or potential draft targets. In fact, I`d challenge the overwhelming majority of fans here who so vocally hammer this kid or that one about whether or not they had even heard of, seen or watched a kid the B`s picked

I think it`s ok to be less than thrilled about a kid who is widely considered a reach and/or project but the draft is plain and simply, a wild crapshoot, we are talking about teenagers and trying to project where they will be a few years from draft day. I know Dom has done a very in depth analyzing of all teams and their draft history, maybe there`s a few others here who get into the weeds with this stuff but most here have seen a kid play likely 0 times.

I know absolutely nothing about this years picks but you can be rest assured, I`d love all of them to succeed, simply not realistic to think they`d all make it to the big club

 

[DominicT]

I posted this in the draft thread. Probably would have made more sense putting it here considering there appears to be some "tension". If you want to know what it all means, you'll have to go read the draft thread.

 

[JOKER 192]

likely the most sane and balanced post in this thread. I don`t have nearly the resources at my disposal as some here do when it comes to analyzing prospects or potential draft targets. In fact, I`d challenge the overwhelming majority of fans here who so vocally hammer this kid or that one about whether or not they had even heard of, seen or watched a kid the B`s picked

I think it`s ok to be less than thrilled about a kid who is widely considered a reach and/or project but the draft is plain and simply, a wild crapshoot, we are talking about teenagers and trying to project where they will be a few years from draft day. I know Dom has done a very in depth analyzing of all teams and their draft history, maybe there`s a few others here who get into the weeds with this stuff but most here have seen a kid play likely 0 times.

I know absolutely nothing about this years picks but you can be rest assured, I`d love all of them to succeed, simply not realistic to think they`d all make it to the big club

One assumption that is made way to often around these parts is that is a poster doesn't like a pick , he then hopes that pick is a fail so he can beat his chest and say I told you so. Who are these posters because I've never seen a single poster post that. I would bet most posters would rather be wrong and see that player do great things for the team they cheer for. That would be some pretty twisted thinking to actually hope a pick your team has made turns out to be a flop just because you didn't like the pick.

I hated the Pastarnak pick and I said so on draft day. Does that mean I was cheering for him to fail? Not at all , I cheer Pasta like everybody else does. I cheer for every pick, those I liked and those I didn't like. Saying you didn't like a pick is calling out management not the player and still, I would rather be wrong every time than have that pick turn out to be a fail.

What are we doing on a message board if not discussing the things we like or dislike? Are we all supposed to come in here and love everything anyone associated with this team/league does? What would be the point?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

After some time to digest this pick and the rest of this draft, I feel I've come back to Earth. I was irate after this one. I think I commented:

2nd = REACH - Overager
3rd = REACH - Overager
5th = Nepotism
6th = Only pick I liked
7th = Traded and got nothing extra

As of right now, Lorhei looks good in the USHL. I wish he was in college instead but he's dominating play in what I've learned by many here is a damn good development league so I don't care too much on his age. Kuntar is off to a great start in his NCAA career with 4 goals, 5 points in his first 6 games. I have no knowledge on how Langenbrunner is doing and Duran who I liked the read on and wanted to do well is 0'fer in his first 8 games with Youngstown.

Time will tell with all these players, but I admit I need to stop overreacting and try and stay level headed when it comes to this stuff. Give it time before you say whether a player is a bust, a stud, etc. The Bruins, thus far, are seeing their two top players in this draft have success.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

After some time to digest this pick and the rest of this draft, I feel I've come back to Earth. I was irate after this one. I think I commented:

2nd = REACH - Overager
3rd = REACH - Overager
5th = Nepotism
6th = Only pick I liked
7th = Traded and got nothing extra

As of right now, Lorhei looks good in the USHL. I wish he was in college instead but he's dominating play in what I've learned by many here is a damn good development league so I don't care too much on his age. Kuntar is off to a great start in his NCAA career with 4 goals, 5 points in his first 6 games. I have no knowledge on how Langenbrunner is doing and Duran who I liked the read on and wanted to do well is 0'fer in his first 8 games with Youngstown.

Time will tell with all these players, but I admit I need to stop overreacting and try and stay level headed when it comes to this stuff. Give it time before you say whether a player is a bust, a stud, etc. The Bruins, thus far, are seeing their two top players in this draft have success.

I still agree fully with your original analysis. I'll be optimistic as a fan and no other choice for these picks... I have nothing against the players themselves of course.

Grain of salt with Lohrei - he is older than the competition no? Reading about the fight he was in was very encouraging however.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I still agree fully with your original analysis. I'll be optimistic as a fan and no other choice for these picks... I have nothing against the players themselves of course.

Good point here. Whenever there’s a pick, I try and always say, “dislike the spot, not the player” because it’s not their fault and just because you don’t know the name doesn’t mean they aren’t a good choice. I guess this works more for when the team goes off the board. I usually try and pick a group of 5-10 players to “hope for”. For example, Zayde Wisdom was the guy I wanted here at #58 and #89. But combine the fact they went so off the board with plenty of intriguing names available I snapped.

I hated Sweeney and company for this pick, but I didn’t and don’t hate Lohrei. I want every pick here to become an NHLer. It will help the team I love (which is why I got down on this franchise after this draft because they just don’t seem to have a direction that I understand). But at the end of the day, I still come to grips that “anything can happen” and return back to reality.

Grain of salt with Lohrei - he is older than the competition no? Reading about the fight he was in was very encouraging however.

He is but hasn’t it been mentioned that the ages of this league aren’t as drastic as say the CHL? With that, is the whole, over-ager a big deal?

Maybe @lost peanut would have the answer on the whole age in the USHL thing. I swear he had a post about just this.

 

[CDJ]

Good point here. Whenever there’s a pick, I try and always say, “dislike the spot, not the player” because it’s not their fault and just because you don’t know the name doesn’t mean they aren’t a good choice. I guess this works more for when the team goes off the board. I usually try and pick a group of 5-10 players to “hope for”. For example, Zayde Wisdom was the guy I wanted here at #58 and #89. But combine the fact they went so off the board with plenty of intriguing names available I snapped.

I hated Sweeney and company for this pick, but I didn’t and don’t hate Lohrei. I want every pick here to become an NHLer. It will help the team I love (which is why I got down on this franchise after this draft because they just don’t seem to have a direction that I understand). But at the end of the day, I still come to grips that “anything can happen” and return back to reality.



He is but hasn’t it been mentioned that the ages of this league aren’t as drastic as say the CHL? With that, is the whole, over-ager a big deal?

Maybe @lost peanut would have the answer on the whole age in the USHL thing. I swear he had a post about just this.

 

[LouJersey]

Lohrei-Carlo is going to be a fantastic 2nd pair at some point in time.

 

[DominicT]

Good point here. Whenever there’s a pick, I try and always say, “dislike the spot, not the player” because it’s not their fault and just because you don’t know the name doesn’t mean they aren’t a good choice. I guess this works more for when the team goes off the board. I usually try and pick a group of 5-10 players to “hope for”. For example, Zayde Wisdom was the guy I wanted here at #58 and #89. But combine the fact they went so off the board with plenty of intriguing names available I snapped.

I hated Sweeney and company for this pick, but I didn’t and don’t hate Lohrei. I want every pick here to become an NHLer. It will help the team I love (which is why I got down on this franchise after this draft because they just don’t seem to have a direction that I understand). But at the end of the day, I still come to grips that “anything can happen” and return back to reality.



He is but hasn’t it been mentioned that the ages of this league aren’t as drastic as say the CHL? With that, is the whole, over-ager a big deal?

Maybe @lost peanut would have the answer on the whole age in the USHL thing. I swear he had a post about just this.

I keep getting told for a million times that the USHL is an older league than the CHL.

Couple of things you should know:

1) I don't look at the CHL as a whole. They are 3 separate leagues with three different characteristics about them. Besides, the QMJHL skews all the numbers from age, to stats to draft. Therefore, I refuse to look at the CHL as a whole

2) I exclusively cover the OHL. However, I have said it for a few years now: The USHL is the best junior development league in the world. OHL comes in 2nd IMO. The USHL and OHL have two different development agendas. The USHL primarily develops players for the NCAA first before they go on to the AHL - NHL. The OHL develops players for the AHL - NHL. two different paths with the same end result. I just think the USHL is better in their developmental success which to me makes them the better development league.

As for the USHL being an older league?

Average ages (USHL is for 2020-21 the other 3 are for 2019-20):

QMJHL - 17.07
USHL - 18.32
WHL - 18.40
OHL - 18.91

You probably saw it on twitter. That was a direct response to someone who told me :CHL typically looks for players that can step in at 16 or 17 and be a regular in the lineup. USHL is more patient so you see less young players there....

Point is, if you are going to engage me and mention a league you know nothing about or don't even follow, you better have your facts straight or I will come back with facts

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I keep getting told for a million times that the USHL is an older league than the CHL.

Couple of things you should know:

1) I don't look at the CHL as a whole. They are 3 separate leagues with three different characteristics about them. Besides, the QMJHL skews all the numbers from age, to stats to draft. Therefore, I refuse to look at the CHL as a whole

2) I exclusively cover the OHL. However, I have said it for a few years now: The USHL is the best junior development league in the world. OHL comes in 2nd IMO. The USHL and OHL have two different development agendas. The USHL primarily develops players for the NCAA first before they go on to the AHL - NHL. The OHL develops players for the AHL - NHL. two different paths with the same end result. I just think the USHL is better in their developmental success which to me makes them the better development league.

As for the USHL being an older league?

Average ages (USHL is for 2020-21 the other 3 are for 2019-20):

QMJHL - 17.07
USHL - 18.32
WHL - 18.40
OHL - 18.91

You probably saw it on twitter. That was a direct response to someone who told me :CHL typically looks for players that can step in at 16 or 17 and be a regular in the lineup. USHL is more patient so you see less young players there....

Point is, if you are going to engage me and mention a league you know nothing about or don't even follow, you better have your facts straight or I will come back with facts

That’s why I mentioned you because I couldn’t remember and I knew you would have the answer haha. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[DominicT]

That’s why I mentioned you because I couldn’t remember and I knew you would have the answer haha. Thank you for clarifying.

Anytime. It's what I'm here for and PM's are always open. And it's free of charge as long as you follow me on twitter

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

 

[McGarnagle]

The way our defensemen are dropping like flies, if we make it to the next round he just might get the callup