Series Talk: Round 2 discussion || North vs South || Leafs vs Panthers

[ahmedou]

 

[thusk]

We've covered this before - just give him a few more shifts, easy peasy.

butjust Why??? double shift nylander come with a risk...exemple you're nylander get his normal shift. didn't recover at 100% and maybe at 90 % of energy and take the double shift... now come time to his nornal shift and he didn't had time to recover from last 2 shift and maybe at 80%... Go well at the beggining but don't have enough gas left to finish his shift and oops just taking the rest of his shift off because he don't have energy to defend anymore and try to cheat... Did that make him better or the team better in anything?!?!?!

right now whatever who's step in the ice, they all playing with a lot of energy and leafs are hard to play again because everybody having the energy to working hard at every shift... So just to give Nylander the same number of shift ( who's only the pk shift the difference) we should break the entire system Berube just build and working extremely well. Now we stop having play with passenger and everybody involve in the team succes. For the 1st time ever, the playing like a real team

When you're trailing fine you need to take risk to be able to come back okay... and even for this, i prefer m cut a line a little bit more to get your offensive player more involve late in a game when you need a goal or cut your offensive player maybe more at risk defensively ( like domi) when you're protecting a lead... It's fine but personally i hate the double shift

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Most underrated player so far in the playoffs is, OEL. He has alot of poise and deception moving pucks, he has a nasty side to him.

He's got one of the larger discrepancies between goal differential (good) and shot/scoring chance differential (not so good). I'm not sure it'll hold up.

Holmberg on the other hand is one of very few players who's positive on both. I didn't think much of him in the regular season but he's one of the few bottom 6 forwards to not be getting caved in on scoring chances (although part of it is playing with Tavares and Nylander to start). And on that note, Jarnkrok and to a lesser extent Lorentz (notwithstanding the clutch goal last game) really aren't handling the shutdown role with Laughton. I suspect they'll be the first to crack.

 

[Gary Nylund]

butjust Why??? double shift nylander come with a risk...exemple you're nylander get his normal shift. didn't recover at 100% and maybe at 90 % of energy and take the double shift... now come time to his nornal shift and he didn't had time to recover from last 2 shift and maybe at 80%... Go well at the beggining but don't have enough gas left to finish his shift and oops just taking the rest of his shift off because he don't have energy to defend anymore and try to cheat... Did that make him better or the team better in anything?!?!?!

right now whatever who's step in the ice, they all playing with a lot of energy and leafs are hard to play again because everybody having the energy to working hard at every shift... So just to give Nylander the same number of shift ( who's only the pk shift the difference) we should break the entire system Berube just build and working extremely well. Now we stop having play with passenger and everybody involve in the team succes. For the 1st time ever, the playing like a real team

When you're trailing fine you need to take risk to be able to come back okay... and even for this, i prefer m cut a line a little bit more to get your offensive player more involve late in a game when you need a goal or cut your offensive player maybe more at risk defensively ( like domi) when you're protecting a lead... It's fine but personally i hate the double shift

You may "personally hate it" but the fact is that coaches double shift players from time to time, there's good reason for that and it's not the apocalyptic risk you're making it out to be. Nylander's a stud in his prime with blazing speed, he's in great shape and IMHO you're being way too paranoid. Agree to disagree.

 

[arso40]

He's got one of the larger discrepancies between goal differential (good) and shot/scoring chance differential (not so good). I'm not sure it'll hold up.

Holmberg on the other hand is one of very few players who's positive on both. I didn't think much of him in the regular season but he's one of the few bottom 6 forwards to not be getting caved in on scoring chances (although part of it is playing with Tavares and Nylander to start). And on that note, Jarnkrok and to a lesser extent Lorentz (notwithstanding the clutch goal last game) really aren't handling the shutdown role with Laughton. I suspect they'll be the first to crack.

Makes you wonder if kampf should draw bacc in at some point

 

[keonsbitterness]

Except there was no papal election in 1967.

 

[thusk]

You may "personally hate it" but the fact is that coaches double shift players from time to time, there's good reason for that and it's not the apocalyptic risk you're making it out to be. Nylander's a stud in his prime with blazing speed, he's in great shape and IMHO you're being way too paranoid. Agree to disagree.

Keefe did it a lot double shift Nylander, did that ever working well?!?!?!

The fact hes young doesn't mean he will play with same energy during ALL the shift especially for a player who had an historical of taking shift off. Its the 1st year i see Nylander playing with energy from beggining until the end on every shift 200 feet on the ice and look at the result ... he having his best playoff performance ever...

I understand what you saying you have to ask you if the reason of his succes is the exactly how he has been used. So ask you again why changing something finally working extremely well for everyone.

 

[aingefan]

I hope the Leafs get their pound of flesh next year during the regular season.
Bennett on Stolarz.
The rat with three skate on skate slewfoots in game two.
Ekblad trying to take off Woll’s head.
Thachuk third man in trying to get at Lotty while he’s already on the ice with Schmidt on him. Good on Lorentz for pre-empting.
It’s beyond greasy. It’s not gritty playoff hockey. It’s dirty and dangerous.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander moved from an average of 22 shift in regular season to 25 in playoff
average time by shift 0,53 sec to 0,45 - 8 sec/ shift

Marner 25 to 28 shift 0,52 to 0,48 -4 sec /shift
matthews 26 to 28 shift 0,5 to 0,44 - 6 seco d/shift
knies 23 to 26 0,49 to 0,46 - 3 sec/shift
tavares 22 to 24 0,51to 0,46 - 5 second/shift

The difference is not hes taking less shift than regular season vs other foward, his shift are just shorter that's pretty different

That's really pretty much it - the Matthews line is averaging longer shifts, largely because they are getting trapped in their own end a lot.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You may "personally hate it" but the fact is that coaches double shift players from time to time, there's good reason for that and it's not the apocalyptic risk you're making it out to be. Nylander's a stud in his prime with blazing speed, he's in great shape and IMHO you're being way too paranoid. Agree to disagree.

He seems to be stuck on the idea that Matty and Mitch can play 22 minutes effectively but Willy can't go from 19 to 20 without collapsing from exhaustion.

He's always had a very poor opinion of Willy, so it's not surprising.

 

[thusk]

That's really pretty much it - the Matthews line is averaging longer shifts, largely because they are getting trapped in their own end a lot.

It's basically the same time, exemple matthews 44 sec vs nylander 45the biggest difference is how much Nylander longer shift drop regular season vs playoff and for me that's just showing maturity here

He seems to be stuck on the idea that Matty and Mitch can play 22 minutes effectively but Willy can't go from 19 to 20 without collapsing from exhaustion.

He's always had a very poor opinion of Willy, so it's not surprising.

1-none of matthews/marner double, the difference are the 3 average shift in pk/ game both playing.

2- It's not about playing 19 or 21-22m it's about double shift

play 45sec
recover 45 sec
play 45 sec
recover 45 sec
play 45 sec

that's what double shift is and what i'm talking . I just don't want double shift just for the only reason Nylander playing less by not playing in pk. You just don't have time to recover in 45 sec and came back at 100%, that's the point here

 

[Gary Nylund]

Keefe did it a lot double shift Nylander, did that ever working well?!?!?!

The fact hes young doesn't mean he will play with same energy during ALL the shift especially for a player who had an historical of taking shift off. Its the 1st year i see Nylander playing with energy from beggining until the end on every shift 200 feet on the ice and look at the result ... he having his best playoff performance ever...

I understand what you saying you have to ask you if the reason of his succes is the exactly how he has been used. So ask you again why changing something finally working extremely well for everyone.

This is from the last game, maybe for you this is "working extremely well for everyone", I can see lots of room for improvement myself. You've been reaching at straws for a while now, as I've said several time - agree to disagree. Enjoy the game tonight!

He seems to be stuck on the idea that Matty and Mitch can play 22 minutes effectively but Willy can't go from 19 to 20 without collapsing from exhaustion.

He's always had a very poor opinion of Willy, so it's not surprising.

He has some opinions that are ... ahem ... "interesting". GLG!!

 

[ULF_55]

Top 10 all time P/GP Playoffs minimum 50 games played.

 

[ULF_55]

Top 10 all time Goals Playoffs minimum 50 games played.

 

[DarkKnight]

Big picture, I am pretty impressed how we come confident, we're playing our game not worrying about your's. I just assumed last night they'd come out like a house on fire and we'd hang on, it was the exact opposite and it strikes me as a different mentality. I believe Berube brings a been there before, calm vibe.

 

[Stephen]

It was 1963.

 

[Metroid]

Woll may not have been the Greatest, Bob sucked too, but at least Bob made two breakaway saves. We need Matthews to get something going. He's not even trying t get the dirty goals or tips or anything lol. Like man, even try to accidentally on purpose try to kick the f***ing puck in the net.

 

[Stephen]

I think if we can replicate the opening Game 3 effort and come out to a quick start we will be in good shape. Woll's gotta play for the redemption angle.

 

[uncleben]

We've still got this

 

[Da Mash]

We lost in OT on the road to the defending cup champs that were down 2-0 in series.
Yes the back breaker would have happened if we won this game but it was a great road effort against a team with their backs against the wall.

Let’s continue to put the same effort in and we can win this series.

We shelter players and also want more from other players but every team fans in the playoffs think the same.

Our bottom six has been a thorn in our side all yr. The 4th line looks like it’s set. The 3rd line is just a mess because we just don’t have a center that can move the needle and play well defensively.

It’s difficult because the pool of players to choose from don’t mesh well it seems.

 

[ahmedou]

It was 1963.

1963: Toronto Maple Leafs Stanley Cup Champions

 

[Stephen]

1963: Toronto Maple Leafs Stanley Cup Champions

We won 3 in a row between 1962-1964 too.

 

[Stephen]

We lost in OT on the road to the defending cup champs that were down 2-0 in series.
Yes the back breaker would have happened if we won this game but it was a great road effort against a team with their backs against the wall.

Let’s continue to put the same effort in and we can win this series.

We shelter players and also want more from other players but every team fans in the playoffs think the same.

Our bottom six has been a thorn in our side all yr. The 4th line looks like it’s set. The 3rd line is just a mess because we just don’t have a center that can move the needle and play well defensively.

It’s difficult because the pool of players to choose from don’t mesh well it seems.

The mystique of the invincible championship Panthers has been broken a bit in this series. No intimidation. Just win one period at a time. Keep going.

 

[DarkKnight]

The mystique of the invincible championship Panthers has been broken a bit in this series. No intimidation. Just win one period at a time. Keep going.

Agreed. We’re going into the next game with confidence not fear. It’s a far cry from the view from experts prior to the series. Recall the year we beat TB, it still had an air of fortune, they really took it to us for long stretches that series, you could argue they were the better team eye test wise. I don’t get that sense here at all, we can beat these guys, and I think they know it too.

 

[Confucius]

You just have to laugh at the title of an article on NHL.com “Bobrovsky continues to be clutch in playoffs” lol! He’s been a sieve