Pre-Game Talk: Round 2 - Canes vs Bolts

[Joe McGrath]

Maybe, but you're basing this on 24 games played with Carolina. That is 15 regular season games, and 9 playoff. He's averaging ~1 less hit per game with Carolina for 20-21, more if you factor in the 19-20 season with the Ducks. Small sample size so far.

Wgat does his TOI look like as well. If I recall he was playing top 4 minutes in Anaheim.

 

[hblueridgegal]

 

[skipnjump]

game 5 set for 6:30pm

these playoff times have been bizarre

It seems like the scheduling powers that be consider this series the weak series to be moved around

 

[hblueridgegal]

Of course.

 

[AD Skinner]

Of course.

Whuh? Is Staal also hurting?

 

[The Faulker 27]

Works for me.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

Whuh? Is Staal also hurting?

He is centering Fast and McGinn

 

[AD Skinner]

He is centering Fast and McGinn

Okey dokey then

 

[Stickpucker]

Been thinking about the reffing and the last couple years....I'm wondering if this is some sort of fallout from the whole bunch of jerks and skol clap thing where the refs have a more traditional slant.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The penalties this postseason were pretty even overall going into the game Saturday (21 PPs for, 24 PPs against).

They just lost their composure. If the refs aren't in the mood to even things out, it's incumbent on the team to show restraint.

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

The penalties this postseason were pretty even overall going into the game Saturday (21 PPs for, 24 PPs against).

They just lost their composure. If the refs aren't in the mood to even things out, it's incumbent on the team to show restraint.

That’s fair but they dropped off a ton after Rod sounded off against the refs after game 3 in nashville.

Anyway, if necessary Thursday’s game would be at 6:30 too.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just ridiculous. 6:30pm on a Tuesday? Who's watching a game at that time of day? Never mind 15K people are supposed to arrive at the arena during rush hour to get in their seats for puck drop? Both attendance and ratings are going to take it on the chin.

Meanwhile the game in Denver will start at 7:00pm local time. They could have had a 7pm EST game and a 7:30pm game MST. This exact same thing will happen on Thursday if they have Game 6 in Tampa, the local fans get ****ed in order to keep the Avs/Knights game starting at 7:00 instead of 7:30. Makes no sense.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Been thinking about the reffing and the last couple years....I'm wondering if this is some sort of fallout from the whole bunch of jerks and skol clap thing where the refs have a more traditional slant.

I think the refs and a few other entities are tired of the whining all around from the team and our fans. Sure some of what goes down doesn't appear fair but it's not really productive once a certain reputation is established or a victim mentality dominates the conversation. Selectively, picking and choosing the battles might be more effective.

Plus, we have a team that sometimes struggles to control their emotions and maintain composure as it is. JMO, the focus should be on what they can attempt to control.

 

[bleedgreen]

I think the refs and a few other entities are tired of the whining all around from the team and our fans. Sure some of what goes down doesn't appear fair but it's not really productive once a certain reputation is established or a victim mentality dominates the conversation. Selectively, picking and choosing the battles might be more effective.

Plus, we have a team that sometimes struggles to control their emotions and maintain composure as it is. JMO, the focus should be on what they can attempt to control.

The more you scream at the refs, the more likely they are you to call you for the slightest infraction. They wont make anything up, but you arent getting any breaks.

 

[DaveG]

The penalties this postseason were pretty even overall going into the game Saturday (21 PPs for, 24 PPs against).

They just lost their composure. If the refs aren't in the mood to even things out, it's incumbent on the team to show restraint.

I wouldn't say pretty even. Games 2 and 3 of the Nashville series in particular were among the worst officiating I've ever seen in terms of bias.

Now THIS series had been officiated pretty well until game 4, not sure why it decided to hit the fan the way it did. But this is so far 3 of 10 games in all combined series where the officiating has been decidedly against Carolina compared to none where it has been in our favor.

But that said, Rod seems to have a reputation with the refs. Whether deserved or not, he's never going to get the benefit of the doubt. Even goes back to when he was a player as I recall a game in 09 against the Pens (game 4 IIRC) where I had seats not far behind the bench, and the refs were being chummy as could be with Crosby and the only interaction I heard toward Rod that entire game was one yelling "would you shut the f*** up already"

 

[chaz4hockey]

Just ridiculous. 6:30pm on a Tuesday? Who's watching a game at that time of day? Never mind 15K people are supposed to arrive at the arena during rush hour to get in their seats for puck drop? Both attendance and ratings are going to take it on the chin.

Meanwhile the game in Denver will start at 7:00pm local time. They could have had a 7pm EST game and a 7:30pm game MST. This exact same thing will happen on Thursday if they have Game 6 in Tampa, the local fans get ****ed in order to keep the Avs/Knights game starting at 7:00 instead of 7:30. Makes no sense.

Agreed but although you have the Stanley Cup champs going against a great Canes team, no one in the NHL/NBC gives a hoot. They view the series as small market teams (versus as it should be high quality teams) and as such have assigned the worst announcing team and worst start times.

Vegas-Colorado bigger markets and more attractive teams, Boston-NY are huge markets and of course the Canadian series are getting announcers from the studio I believe (I delay watching and go to NHL package’s Canadian broadcast….lol, sometimes I’ll watch our broadcast in French version).

 

[chaz4hockey]

Hakanpää wasnt ever going to hit at the same frequency as he did in Anaheim

agree but I given his size I had hoped he was a banger, ie Chara and had an edge. Quite frankly, he doesn’t and is really a gentle giant that does “hit” but not viciously where players avoid him. Check out the Isles-Boston series for those type of players that DO make a difference.

 

[hblueridgegal]

From Sara's last article...what's the subtext here? Why doesn't anything come easily? Is he implying it's the refs - the cards are stacked against them..is it growing pains..injuries..poor judgment, etc? I wish the reporters would ask him to elaborate on the message.

“Nothing’s come easy for this group, ever. Nothing’s ever handed to them,” Brind’Amour said after Game 1. “Everything they’ve gotten, they’ve earned. There’s never been an easy game. It seems like there’s never been anything that’s gone easily. Obviously, we’re in the playoffs. We’re going to have to go earn every inch of ice that we get, every goal. But this group’s always bounced back. So I don’t expect anything different.”

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

From Sara's last article...what's the subtext here? Why doesn't anything come easily? Is he implying it's the refs - the cards are stacked against them..is it growing pains..injuries..poor judgment, etc? I wish the reporters would ask him to elaborate on the message.

This could potentially just be a generic “battle cry” comment, too. Not sure.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

From Sara's last article...what's the subtext here? Why doesn't anything come easily? Is he implying it's the refs - the cards are stacked against them..is it growing pains..injuries..poor judgment, etc? I wish the reporters would ask him to elaborate on the message.

Why does there have to be subtext? Historically, this team has never made it easy on themselves. Regular season, playoffs, what have you, they have a tendency to make games and situations more difficult than they need to be.

And it’s the same in this series. They had a very real chance to come into this game with the series tied, or even up 1 game, but they did stupid shit, got off their game and now they’re in the position they’re in

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

After Rod sounded off on the refs we went from 7 penalties a game to a very low and even amount for about 6 games. So I dont know if you could necessarily say him speaking out this time was ineffective.

Who knows

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Why does there have to be subtext? Historically, this team has never made it easy on themselves. Regular season, playoffs, what have you, they have a tendency to make games and situations more difficult than they need to be.

And it’s the same in this series. They had a very real chance to come into this game with the series tied, or even up 1 game, but they did stupid shit, got off their game and now they’re in the position they’re in

I don’t think it’s “this team has never made it easy”. It’s all teams, because playoff hockey is hard and other teams are battling as hard as you are, and in the case of TB, are more talented. One or two mistakes can make all the difference, and good teams force you into making mistakes.

IMO, As much as we like to think our team makes it hard, it’s other teams that make it hard. We aren’t a dominant team, we have decent talent and usually outwork other teams.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Why does there have to be subtext? Historically, this team has never made it easy on themselves. Regular season, playoffs, what have you, they have a tendency to make games and situations more difficult than they need to be.

Perhaps it's not the time but at some point, I'd like to hear his thoughts re: why it has to be so hard or that it is a recurrent issue. Isn't that the first step to fixing a problem - acknowledging the issue(s)? On talk radio today...I think I heard the term "undisciplined" paired with the Canes about a 100 times coupled with sad sighs by the various hosts. Are these issues that can be resolved or improved upon or is it always going to be a comes with the territory situation?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Perhaps it's not the time but at some point, I'd like to hear his thoughts re: why it has to be so hard or that it is a recurrent issue. Isn't that the first step to fixing a problem - acknowledging the issue(s)? On talk radio today...I think I heard the term "undisciplined" paired with the Canes about a 100 times coupled with sad sighs by the various hosts. Are these issues that can be resolved or improved upon or is it always going to be a comes with the territory situation?

Depends on what's causing the penalties. If they're penalties born out of frustration, they'll likely decrease with age and experience.

If they're penalties born out of necessity (i.e. We're getting outplayed and taking penalties to attempt to hinder opposing players from skating circles around us), then it's up to the players and coaches to be better prepared for games so those penalties don't become necessary to take.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Perhaps it's not the time but at some point, I'd like to hear his thoughts re: why it has to be so hard or that it is a recurrent issue. Isn't that the first step to fixing a problem - acknowledging the issue(s)? On talk radio today...I think I heard the term "undisciplined" paired with the Canes about a 100 times coupled with sad sighs by the various hosts. Are these issues that can be resolved or improved upon or is it always going to be a comes with the territory situation?

I think It’s partly how we play and are coached. We are an aggressive team that gets in on the forecheck, plays tight gaps, and tries to take away time and space, That increases your chances of taking a penalty.

There’s also a personnel component. Dougie has always taken a lot of penalties. Svech takes a bunch of dumb ones as well.