Speculation: Roster/Trade Discussion Thread

[eco's bones]

Kings add one more guy to seal the deal and I'd call that a win

The Kings get two very good roster players for players with friendly cap hits and both with term who should be very good in Trocheck's case through the rest of his term and Gavrikov could be as well for several years. That should be worth quite a bit just in itself.

The Kings don't have all that much as far as top end prospects. They do have some very good young roster players. If we're making a big trade with them some of that should come our way. Guys like Slukynsky and Brztucewicz (sorry on the spelling) should not be the main pieces. Not saying they won't be good NHL players but there is a lot that remains to be seen with them. The D may turn into a 4 or a 5. Slukynskky might become a 30/35 game a year goalie or maybe better than that.......but top end starter probably not.

The Kings did a lot better than I wanted on Panarin. It's over but not getting good value on the trades we make is not something we can or should continue to do. Also coddling our players too much when the team needs as much help as it can get taking a lesser deal or not trying to find a better deal as in the case of Soucy just to make the player happy is a bit f***ed up IMO.

As far as Gavrikov he makes a commitment and then he wants out of it after a year? What's that? Because Panarin? If we're going to move him back to LA---cap friendly contract and term then don't take less than you think he's worth and screw yourself. If Drury can't come up with a deal that makes not just him (but us too) happy then he shouldn't do it. If Vlad doesn't like it if we don't get that deal.....too bad....we can always move him to another place if necessary and hopefully do better.

 

[eco's bones]

As far as Landon Dupont next year. Vancouver did everything they could and as right as they possibly could to win the Gavin McKenna sweepstakes. I guess it's still possible he'll drop to 3 but pretty unlikely.

You can't count on that. If you're going to be the worst team in the league in any given season you can't count on picking No 1. You can though (unless the lottery changes) on picking No 3 if you're the worst team in the league. Figure from that if being the bottom team in the league is what your goal is.

 

[RangerBoy]

Dolan doesn't like the shiny object strategy. Savior ball. Change in philosophy. Has someone told the Rangers GM?

 

[I Eat Crow]

As far as Landon Dupont next year. Vancouver did everything they could and as right as they possibly could to win the Gavin McKenna sweepstakes. I guess it's still possible he'll drop to 3 but pretty unlikely.

You can't count on that. If you're going to be the worst team in the league in any given season you can't count on picking No 1. You can though (unless the lottery changes) on picking No 3 if you're the worst team in the league. Figure from that if that's what your goal is.

It's not a given he goes #1 next year. Joseph had a monster year and he's right in the conversation. Privalov looks like a sure fire top 5 pick but the Russian wildcard is always there.

There's a big Swiss center that's making noise too.

 

[McRanger92]

Dolan doesn't like the shiny object strategy. Savior ball. Change in philosophy. Has someone told the Rangers GM?

Who is the shiny object du jour?

 

[Veaktore Vitto]

Well people can stop talking about San Jose for Schneider

Kresserling isnt going to stop them from adding more D

 

[Waltuh]

Kresserling isnt going to stop them from adding more D

Yeah they still need like 2-3 NHL defenseman lol

 

[n8]

Gav wanting back to LA rumours are racking up...

Housing tenant, Artemi Panarin running amuck in his rental unit. Causing undue stress and anxiety. It's understandable.

 

[eco's bones]

It's not a given he goes #1 next year. Joseph had a monster year and he's right in the conversation. Privalov looks like a sure fire top 5 pick but the Russian wildcard is always there.

There's a big Swiss center that's making noise too.

Neuenschwander---the Swiss guy I think you're referring to has played at least 3 WJC's as an underage.

I think Dupont is going to be the guy though.

FWIW I'm not expecting the Rangers to make the playoffs next year. There is Fox, there is Sheshterkin. Fox IMO is not a top 5 NHL dman but he is a top 10. Igor IMO is as good a goalie as there is but even the best goalie needs some kind of support. I think Mika bounced back quite a bit (don't tell Siddi I said so though---I think I prefer being seen as a hater)---there were good signs from Laf and Perreault. Cuylle's a good player. Gavrikov's a good player and I like Laba. Miller should be better if he's healthy. It's not like there's nothing there but I don't see enough. If the Rangers stay relatively healthy particularly with their better players and there's some progress from younger players we might end up like picking around 12 or about as far as Igor's going to be able to take us.

If we get blasted with injuries again 26-27 could be a lot like 25-26. The Rangers should pick up another building block of a 1st round pick next year as long as we don't trade it. Hopefully we can pick up at least another 1st rounder.

 

[mrmovies779]

It's not a given he goes #1 next year. Joseph had a monster year and he's right in the conversation. Privalov looks like a sure fire top 5 pick but the Russian wildcard is always there.

There's a big Swiss center that's making noise too.

Absolutely no chance Dupont isn't #1
He's Schaefer on steroids

 

[mike14]

Absolutely no chance Dupont isn't #1
He's Schaefer on steroids

probably a good idea not to take him then. Doping bans can be lengthy...

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Just thinking how horrible NHL insiders are. There’s never any good hot stove stuff, nobody knows anything and everything is just pontificating suggestions couched in so many maybes and we’ll sees. Insiders “break” stories literally seconds before teams announce moves, that’s just them being notified when stuff is being filed with the registry.

The season just ended, draft is next week. How about some reporting? There has to be some legit rumors out there to report just to build some excitement.

Special nod to the Rangers beat whom collectively know less than some of the worst posters on here. Vince is the king of just reiterating tired talking points with very little substance. Really miss Larry.

 

[McRanger92]

A lot of the LAK media have been mentioning Gavrikov/Trocheck, etc.

The only tangible rumor that has been mentioned on the NYR media(Mollie & Vince) end is that Toronto has inquired on Trocheck and the Rangers have inquired on Knies. I don’t know why Toronto seems so eager to trade Knies, even with a new GM in place. But I also don’t think they are particularly smart. My question would be, what do we have to add to Trocheck to get Knies. They essentially traded him at the deadline but didn’t make it into the league in time. He would be lightyears better of an option for the top 6 than Tuch

 

[mike14]

Just thinking how horrible NHL insiders are. There’s never any good hot stove stuff, nobody knows anything and everything is just pontificating suggestions couched in so many maybes and we’ll sees. Insiders “break” stories literally seconds before teams announce moves, that’s just them being notified when stuff is being filed with the registry.

The season just ended, draft is next week. How about some reporting? There has to be some legit rumors out there to report just to build some excitement.

Special nod to the Rangers beat whom collectively know less than some of the worst posters on here. Vince is the king of just reiterating tired talking points with very little substance. Really miss Larry.

we know that on the whole NHL teams (or at least ownership) are pretty conservative and risk adverse so it's not that surprising that they are keen to keep 'leaks' to a minimum unless it is stuff they want to get out.
It's also much harder for journos/bloggers/whatevers to cultivate contacts than it was back in the day. The traditional media doesn't have the power and pull it once had to get and maintain sources, and teams now want things in house where possible, or managed to the nth-degree if its info being given to outsiders.

What still astounds me is how much content is being created and consumed without really having relevance to it*. Everyone knows it's all speculation and the different talking heads just recycling rumors from others in the same game, but they continue to get a lot of eyeballs on the screens. Its like an enclosed eco-system that just churns itself over.

*I'm sure there's good stuff out there, but for the most part it is drowned out by 'noise'

 

[Riche16]

As far as the press goes, I will bet both of my testicles that the phrase "IF THIS LEAVES THIS ROOM I will cut off the bollocks of whoever leaks it" is said day after day in some form or another.

That doesn't mean it's ALWAYS adhered to, but these days a social media post can EASILY get you fired.

I've known folks who've lost their jobs at high profile sports places because they spoke to a writer about almost nothing, it was out a day later publicly & she/he were clear they were off the record.

A leak & you're out of the league & maybe sports for good.

 

[AirGut]

A lot of the LAK media have been mentioning Gavrikov/Trocheck, etc.

The only tangible rumor that has been mentioned on the NYR media(Mollie & Vince) end is that Toronto has inquired on Trocheck and the Rangers have inquired on Knies. I don’t know why Toronto seems so eager to trade Knies, even with a new GM in place. But I also don’t think they are particularly smart. My question would be, what do we have to add to Trocheck to get Knies. They essentially traded him at the deadline but didn’t make it into the league in time. He would be lightyears better of an option for the top 6 than Tuch

Trocheck + Schneider + 26th for Knies as a base for some sort of package? I fear Toronto targeting Cuylle with something like this though, even worse if they ask for Lafrenière in return but I would understand it from the perspective of a new GM in Chayka trying to make a splash of his own. Leafs & Rangers have found themselves in somewhat of a similar position lately.

Knies would be a huge upgrade in the top-6 as long as you're not trading away a significant future piece just to get him.

 

[McRanger92]

As far as the press goes, I will bet both of my testicles that the phrase "IF THIS LEAVES THIS ROOM I will cut off the bollocks of whoever leaks it" is said day after day in some form or another.

That doesn't mean it's ALWAYS adhered to, but these days a social media post can EASILY get you fired.

I've known folks who've lost their jobs at high profile sports places because they spoke to a writer about almost nothing, it was out a day later publicly & she/he were clear they were off the record.

A leak & you're out of the league & maybe sports for good.

The vast majority of rumors originate on the player/agent side. Fans are smart enough to know their teams needs nowadays. Like if your team needs defense it’s not really insightful when the media says “the Rangers have checked in on x defenseman”. I think you’re right that every team has their way of silencing leakers. Especially a guy like Drury who has been very Machiavellian in his rise. I always thought that was the reason there was such a nasty divorce with Jim Ramsey, for what’s it’s worth

 

[McRanger92]

Trocheck + Schneider + 26th for Knies as a base for some sort of package? I fear Toronto targeting Cuylle with something like this though, even worse if they ask for Lafrenière in return but I would understand it from the perspective of a new GM in Chayka trying to make a splash of his own. Leafs & Rangers have found themselves in somewhat of a similar position lately.

Knies would be a huge upgrade in the top-6 as long as you're not trading away a significant piece just to get him.

The package you mentioned would be a real win for the rangers. Adding Lafreniere doesn’t make much sense. As for Cuylle, he and Knies are much closer in ability than folks realize. Knies has gotten a bump being in Toronto and playing with big stars. I think they are both excellent players and the types you can build an identity with. Put them on the same roster, not trade them for each other

 

[GoAwayRempe]

I think the Gavrikov stuff is cap.

 

[McRanger92]

I think the Gavrikov stuff is cap.

The Kings want him back, I’m sure of that. The rest, meh. If the Kings give up major assets to get him back (the only way a trade happens) the Rangers come out aces. I’m positive Drury is not looking to do LA another solid.

 

[Insert Name Here]

we know that on the whole NHL teams (or at least ownership) are pretty conservative and risk adverse so it's not that surprising that they are keen to keep 'leaks' to a minimum unless it is stuff they want to get out.
It's also much harder for journos/bloggers/whatevers to cultivate contacts than it was back in the day. The traditional media doesn't have the power and pull it once had to get and maintain sources, and teams now want things in house where possible, or managed to the nth-degree if its info being given to outsiders.

What still astounds me is how much content is being created and consumed without really having relevance to it*. Everyone knows it's all speculation and the different talking heads just recycling rumors from others in the same game, but they continue to get a lot of eyeballs on the screens. Its like an enclosed eco-system that just churns itself over.

*I'm sure there's good stuff out there, but for the most part it is drowned out by 'noise'

There is just too much content these days.....in the past, hot stove rumors created A LOT of revenue for the media (whether print, radio or TV). Content was also easier to control because the writers rarely put anything into print without some kind of "backup" to prove their statements if necessary. (Sgt. Friday comes to mind: Just the facts, ma'am!!). Today (as many here have stated from time to time), the policy seems to be to throw stuff at the walls and see what sticks.

 

[I Eat Crow]

A Trocheck/Gavrikov package from LA starts with their next two unprotected 1sts, Cihar, and Laferriere.

 

[RangersFan1994]

A Trocheck/Gavrikov package from LA starts with their next two unprotected 1sts, Cihar, and Laferriere.

Laferriere is most likely the cap dump Drury wants. Young, size, girt, Rangers fan, another top 9 forward. RW depth