Speculation: Roster/Trade Discussion Thread

[RangerBoy]

They haven’t really been operating like a team gearing up for free agency this year. You don’t sell off veterans (rentals and otherwise) if you’re looking to spend on the high end of the market. We’ll see what happens but I feel like all that chatter was from the media who just expects the Rangers to spend everywhere. That hasn’t been true in years.

Maybe they are trying to gear up for McDavid in free agency but idk. This GM hasn’t been a big free agency guy in his tenure. I don’t have a problem spending in the mid-level because they have cap space and holes.

This summer was the year for free agency. McDavid. Connor. Eichel. The BU connections. Kempe. Necas.

This GM hasn't had the money for free agency. Covid cap. The Rangers never had money prior to this summer. If this imbecile had the money, he would spend it. Tuch is the only unsigned player from the vaunted free agent class of 2026.

Not only free agency. Even the trades. Two weeks ago, Larkin's trade request was leaked. All of the people covering the Rangers say they want Larkin or any big name. Tkachuk. Matthews. That's a tough way to build a team. Let's wait until one of these players becomes sick of their situations and they ask for a trade. Thankfully Larkin wants no part of the Rangers losing situation.

The Knicks accumulated many draft pick assets. They had some younger assets. Barrett. Quickly. Grimes. Toppin. Sims. The only guy still there is McBride.

They tried to acquire Mitchell from Utah. There was a split in the front office b/c Mitchell is a smaller guard like Brunson.

They were patient. The Mitchell trade was August 2022. The Knicks waited until December 2023 to trade Barrett and Quickly to Toronto. The Bridges trade was June 2024. They didn't rush into another trade after Mitchell. They kept their assets and moved them in the right moves at the right time.

Patient. Methodical. Smart.

The two most coveted players on the market were OG and Bridges. 3 and D players. The Knicks acquired BOTH of them. f***.

 

[McRanger92]

This summer was the year for free agency. McDavid. Connor. Eichel. The BU connections. Kempe. Necas.

This GM hasn't had the money for free agency. Covid cap. The Rangers never had money prior to this summer. If this imbecile had the money, he would spend it. Tuch is the only unsigned player from the vaunted free agent class of 2026.

Not only free agency. Even the trades. Two weeks ago, Larkin's trade request was leaked. All of the people covering the Rangers say they want Larkin or any big name. Tkachuk. Matthews. That's a tough way to build a team. Let's wait until one of these players becomes sick of their situations and they ask for a trade. Thankfully Larkin wants no part of the Rangers losing situation.

The Knicks accumulated many draft pick assets. They had some younger assets. Barrett. Quickly. Grimes. Toppin. Sims. The only guy still there is McBride.

They tried to acquire Mitchell from Utah. There was a split in the front office b/c Mitchell is a smaller guard like Brunson.

They were patient. The Mitchell trade was August 2022. The Knicks waited until December 2023 to trade Barrett and Quickly to Toronto. The Bridges trade was June 2024. They didn't rush into another trade after Mitchell. They kept their assets and moved them in the right moves at the right time.

Patient. Methodical. Smart.

The two most coveted players on the market were OG and Bridges. 3 and D players. The Knicks acquired BOTH of them. f***.

Would you be saying the Knicks were smart if they played a less favorable opponent in the Finals?

Kidding aside, I guess I just dont put that much stock into the media claiming they know what the Rangers are going to do because they have their own reasons for saying what they say. The Rangers havent been big free agency players for the better part of a decade. If there was a better free agent class, theyd obviously play in it because they do have cap space. But if they were just spending to spend, they would have signed Panarin once the other options dried up.

 

[RangerBoy]

Pierre LeBrun has some notes

NHL rumblings: Final thoughts on the Cup, plus the latest on Carlson, Rielly, Hischier and more

Two days after the Cup was awarded to the Hurricanes, we're two weeks away from free agency. Here's the latest buzz from around the NHL.

www.nytimes.com

Seems like the Devils and Hischier are getting close to an extension. Lebrun wrote many teams will be disappointed if Nico stays in NJ. Weekes tweeted it would be a medium term contract extension. Probably 3-4 year extension at big money. $11.5M.

Anybody Trocheck? Anyone?

 

[RangerBoy]

Would you be saying the Knicks were smart if they played a less favorable opponent in the Finals?

Team building was solid. Look at how they built the team. They were fortunate the East sucked this year and OKC played w/out their 2nd best player. Haiburton and Tatum torn acihilles. They gelled at the right time. The front office did a very good job. The best team doesn't always win a championship. It wouldn't a surprise if the Knicks had another NBA title in them with this group.

Drury has been here for five seasons. What's the plan? Anyone? Wait until someone requests a trade? He has already the JT Miller card. That didn't work out at all. Anybody know?

 

[McRanger92]

Team building was solid. Look at how they built the team. They were fortunate the East sucked this year and OKC played w/out their 2nd best player. They gelled at the right time.

Rose spent a few years clearing bad money out. Also inherited a team with subterranean level expectations. Drury can't hold his jock but I've never felt he was the problem with this team because the overarching problems organizationally long predate him. Drury hasnt made the team better but we went through a rebuild and got a million picks under Gorton and JD and we've got next to nothing to show for it besides NMCs for a bunch of guys in their 30s. Howd that happen?

I have no issues firing Drury but Dolan isnt doing that. The players have not bought into his plan over the last 2 seasons because they didnt want to. Its hard to have a coherent plan when every time you make a move of significance the players run to the media to cry that they werent consulted. Laughable that fans watch how the Knicks players go about their business and handwave how the Rangers players do the exact opposite.

 

[mas0764]

Team building was solid. Look at how they built the team. They were fortunate the East sucked this year and OKC played w/out their 2nd best player. Haiburton and Tatum torn acihilles. They gelled at the right time. The front office did a very good job. The best team doesn't always win a championship. It wouldn't a surprise if the Knicks had another NBA title in them with this group.

Drury has been here for five seasons. What's the plan? Anyone? Wait until someone requests a trade? He has already the JT Miller card. That didn't work out at all. Anybody know?

The thing about basketball is that if your team is 8 players deep, you are loaded.

You have to be about two and a half times as deep in the NHL to insulate you from bad players who shouldn't see the ice who could be exposed.

 

[Procrastinator]

The thing about basketball is that if your team is 8 players deep, you are loaded.

You have to be about two and a half times as deep in the NHL to insulate you from bad players who shouldn't see the ice who could be exposed.

Exactly

Building a 5 starter basketball Team and building 18 man roster are 2 different animals. How are the two even comparable.

 

[GAGLine]

Exactly

Building a 5 starter basketball Team and building 18 man roster are 2 different animals. How are the two even comparable.

That difference is all the more reason to be patient. In basketball, you can pick up a couple free agents and totally transform your team. That doesn't work nearly as well in the NHL.

 

[Machinehead]

It's a lot harder in hockey. I've talked about it before -- the NBA draft is low-key fried ass. It is nowhere near a fountain of foundational resources, in most cases.

The player movement is such that you can -and usually do- add key pieces through acquisition.

As @GAGLine said, that's why it's even more important to have patience. So much capital in the NHL comes from the draft.

 

[Lone Ranger]

In light of Carolina's success, is there any truth to the rumor that number twenty-three is going by K'Adam Fox next season?

 

[Lone Ranger]

People have already forgotten the Spurs were a -200 favorite with home court advantage. If OKC was going to beat the Knicks they should've shown up to the dance.

I couldn't agree more. Hypotheticals are pointless. If OKC were healthy... If Shohei Ohtani time traveled back to 1989 and played for Chinese Taipei, then Chris Drury and Trumbull don't win the Little League World Series.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I couldn't agree more. Hypotheticals are pointless. If OKC were healthy... If Shohei Ohtani time traveled back to 1989 and played for Chinese Taipei, then Chris Drury and Trumbull don't win the Little League World Series.

I’m pretty sure Taipei plays guys Ohtani’s age now

 

[haohmaru]

He was their first line center.

Staal is their third line center, faceoff specialist, and defensive forward.

He scored six timely goals, like Brett Howden score 12 or 14 or whatever.

He's not the same category as Bergeron.

Yes, I know who they were. I also know that because someone is great on face-offs it doesn't make them a role player or complimentary player as your sentence previously suggested.

The same guy played PP1, PK 1, nearly every important draw and tons of ice time.

Staal ended up 4th in ATOI and 3rd in total ice time among forwards in the playoffs for the 'canes according to hockey-reference.

Aho: 20:49, Jarvis 20:14, Ehlers 18:52, Staal 18:00
Aho: 395:27, Jarvis 384:24, Staal 341:58

Does that sound like a typical third line center role player? Come on.

Yes, but Aho, Svechnikov, Hall, Blake, etc, were all far more core to the Canes than Staal, in terms of their usage.

See above. The facts don't line up with your argument. Points might, ice time nope. ATOI, TOI, Conn Smythe. Key guy in this year's playoffs. All of the other players combined didn't get as many votes as Staal did for the Conn Smythe. Lebrun, Friedman, Seravelli, Russo, Johnston, etc.. all have forgotten more about hockey than you and I will ever know.

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to disagree with it. Let's move along.

 

[NYR94]

It's a lot harder in hockey. I've talked about it before -- the NBA draft is low-key fried ass. It is nowhere near a fountain of foundational resources, in most cases.

The player movement is such that you can -and usually do- add key pieces through acquisition.

As @GAGLine said, that's why it's even more important to have patience. So much capital in the NHL comes from the draft.

Wasn't one of the Knicks acquired for 5 first round draft picks? Sounded so strange to me being mostly a hockey follower. Imagine a team trading 5 first round picks in the NHL for someone.

 

[McRanger92]

Unfortunately our beat writers are copy pasting draft prospect scouting reports and bootlicking ex-Rangers. RIP Brooksie, we had it so good.

 

[Machinehead]

Wasn't one of the Knicks acquired for 5 first round draft picks? Sounded so strange to me being mostly a hockey follower. Imagine a team trading 5 first round picks in the NHL for someone.

That's why they do it in basketball because the draft is ass lol

 

[Machinehead]

Unfortunately our beat writers are copy pasting draft prospect scouting reports and bootlicking ex-Rangers. RIP Brooksie, we had it so good.

As somebody who ripped Brooksie a new ass on multiple occasions, now that it's over, I miss the chaos.

 

[McRanger92]

As somebody who ripped Brooksie a new ass on multiple occasions, now that it's over, I miss the chaos.

Original thought is a dying element of sports media. For his faults, no one was telling Larry what to think.

 

[Riche16]

I didn't realize the draft was next week.

I'm interested to see what moves Dreary better be making before then.

 

[mas0764]

Does that sound like a typical third line center role player? Come on.

It doesn’t sound like the typical third line center…. But that’s what he was. Third line center, deployed on special teams heavily for his faceoff ability, and defensive matchup center. He was not the guy they put out there first or second at 5v5 all season.

All of the other players combined didn't get as many votes as Staal did for the Conn Smythe. Lebrun, Friedman, Seravelli, Russo, Johnston, etc.. all have forgotten more about hockey than you and I will ever know.

This isn’t relevant. If the Knights won, Howden would have probably won Conn Smythe.

Performance in the playoffs, which was excellent, has no bearing on where he’s slotted as his role, which is the point I think you are stuck on. Someone can dominate in their role and be MVP from that role due to the stats they put up… and still be in a lesser role.

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to disagree with it. Let's move along.

Feel free to.

 

[haohmaru]

Feel free to.

Yes, you too.

 

[mrmovies779]

They tried to acquire Mitchell from Utah. There was a split in the front office b/c Mitchell is a smaller guard like Brunson.

That's complete horseshit.Mitchell is 6'2 with a 6'10 wingspan and built like a tank

 

[pld459666]

Is there anyone taking kandre over gavrikov, 1st and a 2nd? Heck is there anyone even taking kandre over gavrikov here?

Nope.

 

[pld459666]

Have we considered that if we trade Gavrikov, Fox will also want out? Id trade all these malcontents tbh.

Now that would be an interesting next 18 months.

 

[bleedblue94]

Larkin to florida for #9 & ? & ?, then trocheck to Detroit for #9 & ? Play with that framework

Detroit can't replace Larkin with futures, but they can take futures they acquire for Larkin and flip them for lineup help. Vinny wants to stay in the eastern conference.