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[Clark Kellogg]

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[RangerBoy]

NHL season opens on September 26. Saturday night.

It seems Chris MacFarland might be the next boss of the Preds. I saw this tweet a few days ago but didn't think anything of it.



EF didn't dismiss the possibility MacFarland would leave the Avs.

The Leafs and Matthews had a zoom call. Everything is in a good place. Auston told them he wants to win in Toronto.

 

[Veaktore Vitto]

NHL season opens on September 26. Saturday night.

It seems Chris MacFarland might be the next boss of the Preds. I saw this tweet a few days ago but didn't think anything of it.



EF didn't dismiss the possibility MacFarland would leave the Avs.

The Leafs and Matthews had a zoom call. Everything is in a good place. Auston told them he wants to win in Toronto.

Of course he wants to win but I doubt they can win

 

[eco's bones]

Cuylle is a 23 year old. Already a two time 20 goal scorer. He doesn't get much power play time. He gets a bit more pk time so his numbers don't elevate much with that. Is he a 3rd liner? Maybe---but I think it's a little early to be coming to that conclusion. Compare his numbers to Chris Kreider's at the same age. Cuylle's are a little better. He's got time and his game can grow. I would also say there are areas of consistency in Will's game that Kreider always lacked. For instance---game in game out Will throws his body around. Kreider's physical game was always here and there and sometimes would go missing for long stretches. Cuylle will run people over with regularity. So in some significant ways he resembles a power forward wing a lot more than Kreider ever did. I'd also point out that Will's been killing penalties with regularity for at least two years which says something about his play away from the puck and the trust of the coaching staff. Kreider didn't start killing penalties until he was 30 years old.

 

[kovazub94]

Cuylle is a 23 year old. Already a two time 20 goal scorer. He doesn't get much power play time. He gets a bit more pk time so his numbers don't elevate much with that. Is he a 3rd liner? Maybe---but I think it's a little early to be coming to that conclusion. Compare his numbers to Chris Kreider's at the same age. Cuylle's are a little better. He's got time and his game can grow. I would also say there are areas of consistency in Will's game that Kreider always lacked. For instance---game in game out Will throws his body around. Kreider's physical game was always here and there and sometimes would go missing for long stretches. Cuylle will run people over with regularity. So in some significant ways he resembles a power forward wing a lot more than Kreider ever did. I'd also point out that Will's been killing penalties with regularity for at least two years which says something about his play away from the puck and the trust of the coaching staff. Kreider didn't start killing penalties until he was 30 years old.

As young as they are and based on what they’ve shown in their small-sample NHL careers so far, calling both Cuylle and Laba as NOTHING MORE than 3rd liners is just shortsighted (I wish the Rangers will have the depth when these two are in their prime and still playing on a 3rd line. That would mean the team is very deep and contending).

 

[duhmetreE]

Cuylle is a 23 year old. Already a two time 20 goal scorer. He doesn't get much power play time. He gets a bit more pk time so his numbers don't elevate much with that. Is he a 3rd liner? Maybe---but I think it's a little early to be coming to that conclusion. Compare his numbers to Chris Kreider's at the same age. Cuylle's are a little better. He's got time and his game can grow. I would also say there are areas of consistency in Will's game that Kreider always lacked. For instance---game in game out Will throws his body around. Kreider's physical game was always here and there and sometimes would go missing for long stretches. Cuylle will run people over with regularity. So in some significant ways he resembles a power forward wing a lot more than Kreider ever did. I'd also point out that Will's been killing penalties with regularity for at least two years which says something about his play away from the puck and the trust of the coaching staff. Kreider didn't start killing penalties until he was 30 years old.

nailed it

 

[duhmetreE]

Sell me on Shea

I’m slightly concerned with term on McMann. Do you think he gets 4, 5, or 6? I’m good with 4, okay with 5, no go on 6

Had a breakout year. Solid 4/5 but he can move the puck and has some mobility. He’s not Vaak or Soucy.

We will have lots of space. Give McMann a higher AAV but with shorter term. Fits sullys system. Size, speed and physicality. Get in on the forecheck and definitely helps with secondary scoring. 3 years optimally. 4 max

 

[McRanger92]

I like Ryan Shea as a mid-level option for all the reason @duhmetreE said. I’m sure the Rangers will be in on Mario Ferraro for better or worse. I haven’t seen enough to know if he’s meme bad or actually bad.

Tolvanen and Yamamoto are guys who can play in the top 6 but not necessarily block young players. Marchment is another guy I really like. He can give the Rangers more of what Cuylle does. The rangers should stay in the mid-level rather than top of market.

 

[pld459666]

I think Laba is a nifty player, but im not seeing a player that can slot up to the 2nd line any time soon.

Personally, don't see much more than a 3rd line PK specialist which is not meant as a knock.

Just don't see the offense coming around to warrant or justify a coach entrusting him in more of a scoring role.

Maybe he, Kartye and Chemlar can develope some nice chemistry and cement their position as the teams 3rd line. Which would cause all sorts of other issues with the line up.

JT, Mika, Laf, Gabe, Cyulle, Greentree probably make up the top 6.

4th line of Edstrom, Sykora and Raddysh.

I do hope I'm wrong, but even if im not, we are not in a bad spot regardless.

I would still take a look at Barbashev from Vegas and see if we could get him on the cheap.

But some of the same reasons that Vinny will be valuable, Ivan will be as well.

Manageable cap hit, solid at both ends, mostly plays Left Wing, but can play center. Signed for just two more years and can be used as a trade chip at any point in 26/27 or 27/28

 

[Fitzy]

Cuylle is a 23 year old. Already a two time 20 goal scorer. He doesn't get much power play time. He gets a bit more pk time so his numbers don't elevate much with that. Is he a 3rd liner? Maybe---but I think it's a little early to be coming to that conclusion. Compare his numbers to Chris Kreider's at the same age. Cuylle's are a little better. He's got time and his game can grow. I would also say there are areas of consistency in Will's game that Kreider always lacked. For instance---game in game out Will throws his body around. Kreider's physical game was always here and there and sometimes would go missing for long stretches. Cuylle will run people over with regularity. So in some significant ways he resembles a power forward wing a lot more than Kreider ever did. I'd also point out that Will's been killing penalties with regularity for at least two years which says something about his play away from the puck and the trust of the coaching staff. Kreider didn't start killing penalties until he was 30 years old.

He also one of the only forwards we have with average straightaway speed.

He does a lot of things you need, and I'm happy to have him here.

That said, if the next Jack Eichel/Quinn Hughes goes on the trade market in a year, and Cuylle is one of the main asking pieces, you also have to consider that.

 

[RangerBoy]

Nygard would be an interesting player in a Trocheck trade.

Sullivan is a such a dummy for pigeonholing Chemlar on the 4th line. The season is over and Mike is playing Connor Sheary.

 

[GoAwayRempe]

I like the idea of Cuylle on a "3rd" line and Laba on a "4th" mostly because they'd be overqualified in those roles.

Thats how you create mismatches. Both guys factor into ST's too so they'll get their minutes.

He also one of the only forwards we have with average straightaway speed.

He does a lot of things you need, and I'm happy to have him here.

That said, if the next Jack Eichel/Quinn Hughes goes on the trade market in a year, and Cuylle is one of the main asking pieces, you also have to consider that.

It's become a bit of a meme but this really isn't true.

Forwards on the Rangers who grade out above average (>50%) in top speed - Percentiles noted below

- Trocheck (85)
- Zibanejad(54)
- Lafreniere(54)
- Miller (76)
- Cuylle(61)
- Sheary(63)
- Brodzinski(71)
- Chmelar (91!)
- Edstrom(98!)
- Laba (86)
- Rempe, even if it takes him 10000000 years to get there. (54)


Now, several of those guys are spare parts (Brodz) guys who won't be back (Trocheck) and guys who hopefully won't be back(Sheary, Rempe) but generally speaking, the straight away speed isn't really a problem. They look slower than they are because they have one guy on the back end who can reliably move a puck up the ice.

 

[effen]

I like Ryan Shea as a mid-level option for all the reason @duhmetreE said. I’m sure the Rangers will be in on Mario Ferraro for better or worse. I haven’t seen enough to know if he’s meme bad or actually bad.

Tolvanen and Yamamoto are guys who can play in the top 6 but not necessarily block young players. Marchment is another guy I really like. He can give the Rangers more of what Cuylle does. The rangers should stay in the mid-level rather than top of market.

Ferraro's a RD, no? Pretty sure they've been full on that side for years.

Bad news: Those guys are the top of the market.

 

[effen]

As young as they are and based on what they’ve shown in their small-sample NHL careers so far, calling both Cuylle and Laba as NOTHING MORE than 3rd liners is just shortsighted (I wish the Rangers will have the depth when these two are in their prime and still playing on a 3rd line. That would mean the team is very deep and contending).

Calling Cuylle a 3rd liner is just more weirdness that people who throw hits are 3rd liners (him, Trocheck) regardless of production, while the Filip Chytil's of the world who throw 15 hits a year are top 6 options, again, regardless of production.

 

[kovazub94]

Calling Cuylle a 3rd liner is just more weirdness that people who throw hits are 3rd liners (him, Trocheck) regardless of production, while the Filip Chytil's of the world who throw 15 hits a year are top 6 options, again, regardless of production.

Yup, find me another 20-20-300 forward - I’ll wait.

 

[AKA Chief]

NHL season opens on September 26. Saturday night.

It seems Chris MacFarland might be the next boss of the Preds. I saw this tweet a few days ago but didn't think anything of it.



EF didn't dismiss the possibility MacFarland would leave the Avs.

The Leafs and Matthews had a zoom call. Everything is in a good place. Auston told them he wants to win in Toronto.

Nothing in TO is settled. The scene in TO still has to play out as the Leaf brass needs to show AM that they are building a contender. Head coach is a big deal. Roster construction too.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Chmelar needs to be given a long rope somewhere in the top 9 this coming season. He could be a diamond in the rough. I love his game and has some skill as well.

A line of Cuylle - Laba - Chmelar would be a real PITA line that can score and not get pinned in their own end for minutes at a time.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Ferraro's a RD, no? Pretty sure they've been full on that side for years.

Bad news: Those guys are the top of the market.

Nope. LD

 

[Captain Jellico]

Here's some honest questions and statements so feel free to answer.

Cullye is a two time 20 goal scorer and is 24 years old. Is that a third liner? Maybe in 1985. Id he done developing? Probably not. I don't think he has a Kreider trajectory, more like a Callahan.

Rangers have a player like Cullye every era. 45-50 points and hits everything. Heart and soul. Some last only 3-5 years because of physical deterioration, some get traded and stick around the league a few more years.

I'm honestly a little tired of the "I've been a fan for 30, 40, 50 years and this is the worst shape the Rangers have been in" angle. It's factually not true. There was a period in the early 2000s when the team had no players drafted by the organization in the lineup for a series of games (Leetch was out injured) and we were all salivating for a Dale Purinton call up. The Muckler, Low, Trottier, Sather Era was the nadir.

The salary cap prevents teams from doing what the Rangers did back then. You're going to run out of money for vets to sign and because you have no more money for vets means you can't trade away all your picks. Checks and balances.

There are certain takes here that can be pessimistic or borderline outrageous/Instagram dopamine era but because it's said by certain "cool" or acceptable posters, it becomes facts or has more clout.

It's very high schoolish. I did HS, I'm glad it's over. I like all of us want to see my team do something super super cool.

 

[Captain Jellico]

Chmelar needs to be given a long rope somewhere in the top 9 this coming season. He could be a diamond in the rough. I love his game and has some skill as well.

A line of Cuylle - Laba - Chmelar would be a real PITA line that can score and not get pinned in their own end for minutes at a time.

Are you ok with UFA/Trocheck trade acquisition-Miller-Karthye as the second line, and the fourth line of two UFA vets and a Sykora/Rempe?

I really still don't see Edstrom back and I'm not factoring him into anything until at least late-July.

 

[Fitzy]

Forwards on the Rangers who grade out above average (>50%) in top speed - Percentiles noted below

- Trocheck (85)
- Zibanejad(54)
- Lafreniere(54)
- Miller (76)
- Cuylle(61)
- Sheary(63)
- Brodzinski(71)
- Chmelar (91!)
- Edstrom(98!)
- Laba (86)
- Rempe, even if it takes him 10000000 years to get there. (54)

So where Miller is placed is nearly enough for me to discount this offhand. Is this just measured 'fastest we've seen a player moving during a game?'

Because I incorporate accelleration into 'straightaway speed' which perhaps I shouldn't, but the reality is that matters a lot more than "What is the fastest measured MPH we've clocked player X at in a recorded game" especially when you consider how infrequently that occurs, or has circumstance to occur.

 

[IDvsEGO]

So where Miller is placed is nearly enough for me to discount this offhand. Is this just measured 'fastest we've seen a player moving during a game?'

Because I incorporate accelleration into 'straightaway speed' which perhaps I shouldn't, but the reality is that matters a lot more than "What is the fastest measured MPH we've clocked player X at in a recorded game" especially when you consider how infrequently that occurs, or has circumstance to occur.

There are four numbers that are important with speed,
Top end (with and without puck)
Acceleration
Average speed throughout the game

Yeah you need acceleration, but if you can’t skate fast with the puck it’s meaningless.
Yeah you need high top end, but if you can’t burst it’s less effective (laf is the prime example)
You also need to not glide a lot. So it’s not just how fast you go when you’re “hustling”

Miller isn’t slow. He’s also not fast fast. But he’s not slow. He was injured this year and it was way too apparent

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Any chance we can use Schneider to get Mintyukov from ANA? We take back Vatrano as a cap dump of sorts and maybe add a 3rd and/or Edstrom?

 

[Alluckks]

Any chance we can use Schneider to get Mintyukov from ANA? We take back Vatrano as a cap dump of sorts and maybe add a 3rd and/or Edstrom?

I think Anaheim and San Jose are the 2 most obvious destinations for Schneider