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deadhead said:
Who do you think make the best coaches? Players who do it with superior talent, or players with average talent who make it through fundamentals and understanding the game. You can't teach talent.
Thompson has played 14 years and 811 games, as well as 86 PO games, me thinks he probably has a pretty good grasp of what it takes to stick in the NHL.
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Being a bad player doesn't automatically make you an effective coach, nor does it make having that player worthwhile relative to their negative impact during games.
 
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Developmental Coach Stewart agrees.

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Fletcher has already shown what his field of vision is for hiring. The man would marry his cousin if his wife left him.
 
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deadhead said:
We'll see. I expect Thompson to get far fewer minutes that people suppose, the addition of Brassard made him superfluous.
I wouldn't be surprised if the expectation for Thompson is more that of a player/coach who spends the majority of thet.
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Very wishful thinking that Thompson will get under 10min a night.

Also, how many damn coaches does this team need hahahaahah????? Thompson signed for a player/coach role….man that’s sad
 
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Thompson is 37, he's a NHL "lifer." Won't surprise me at all if he goes into coaching.
Very few top players ever become coaches (or last very long in that role), BrindA'mour is an exception to the rule.
But he was as much about grinding it out as skill.
He's better than Andreoff, but will probably be used in a similar role.

Brassard is the one who will "block" prospects, he's no longer a 3rd line quality forward although used in that role in Arizona (not so much by the Islanders the previous season), but still has enough in the tank to be a quality 4th line forward with a little offense to go with the snarl. He's even admitted he's more suited to wing at this point, providing an opening for Frost and Laczynski (NAK is the one threatened by Brassard).
 
deadhead said:
Thompson is 37, he's a NHL "lifer." Won't surprise me at all if he goes into coaching.
Very few top players ever become coaches (or last very long in that role), BrindA'mour is an exception to the rule.
But he was as much about grinding it out as skill.
He's better than Andreoff, but will probably be used in a similar role.

Brassard is the one who will "block" prospects, he's no longer a 3rd line quality forward although used in that role in Arizona (not so much by the Islanders the previous season), but still has enough in the tank to be a quality 4th line forward with a little offense to go with the snarl. He's even admitted he's more suited to wing at this point, providing an opening for Frost and Laczynski (NAK is the one threatened by Brassard).
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I wasnt talking Thompson eventually getting into a coaching role….you mentioned he came to philly specifically for his supposed coaching leadership in a player role which is laughable.

I’m so confused…if you dont think brassard can play 3c, who do you have there? Where do you have Thompson? I think you said you would rather have frost in the ahl to start (that’s what I’m assuming) so I’m curious what you have for the lineup
 
Every time I see this thread title, I think of this scene, specifically Alan Rickman at the 2:00 mark

 
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I wasnt talking Thompson eventually getting into a coaching role….you mentioned he came to philly specifically for his supposed coaching leadership in a player role which is laughable.

I’m so confused…if you dont think brassard can play 3c, who do you have there? Where do you have Thompson? I think you said you would rather have frost in the ahl to start (that’s what I’m assuming) so I’m curious what you have for the lineup
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Nope. I want Frost to win the 3C job in camp, the operative word being "win", not given. They gave Patrick that job and he never stepped up. I think they've been burned by too many prospects going belly up, Vorobyev being a good example, he was given two shots at winning a starting job and lacked the fire, NAK came up from the AHL and nailed the 4RW job, the next year, he regressed and was one of the worst forwards on the team.

If Frost doesn't cut it in camp, I think he'll still be back by January, he's 22, didn't kill Guentzel to spend half a season in the AHL at that age, of course, the Pens had no choice but to promote him after 33g 16-14 30 at ES.

If Frost doesn't win the job I see this as the bottom six:
Farabee - Laughton - Allison
Lindblom - Laczynski/Thompson/Cates - Brassard/NAK
Lindblom could move up to the 3rd line pushing Allison down to the 4th line.

Cates and Sandin are standing out as the best forecheckers in rookie camp, we'll see if they carry that over to TC, but that suits that 4th line role. Laczynski is cleared to play.

Notice a lot of players have shown up weeks early to work out at the facility and get prepared for TC.

Intriguing camp invite at center, York-horse and more from Flyers rookie camp
 
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People like to talk about frost because he's a sexy prospect but I feel bad for bunny and rubstov. Either could outplay Thompson and still not make the roster. Especially ruby hoping his coming off injury status gets him through waivers. While I think he'd benefit from playing more minutes I also would be regretful if he was claimed.

Thompson is a bum and if the only consideration is on ice performance that should easily crowd him out
 
captainpaxil said:
People like to talk about frost because he's a sexy prospect but I feel bad for bunny and rubstov. Either could outplay Thompson and still not make the roster. Especially ruby hoping his coming off injury status gets him through waivers. While I think he'd benefit from playing more minutes I also would be regretful if he was claimed.

Thompson is a bum and if the only consideration is on ice performance that should easily crowd him out
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Rubstov to me, albeit with limited viewing has shown Jack shit. Perhaps it’s my own personal bias, but a poor skating forward with little creativity is someone I initially rank quite low.

Bunn has been given a small look, but it’s my undying fascination with Kase that remains. Last I looked he may not even be leaving Europe this season, but it’s so strange to me they just abandoned his development.

A great skater that could have been used in a bottom of the lineup role, but sadly his lower scoring numbers and lack of size likely had the NHL coaches thinking he doesn’t fit their archaic view of a 4th line.

Midnight seems about ready to strike for David, but I’ll maintain it was a missed opportunity to at least gauge what more they had in him.
 
captainpaxil said:
People like to talk about frost because he's a sexy prospect but I feel bad for bunny and rubstov. Either could outplay Thompson and still not make the roster. Especially ruby hoping his coming off injury status gets him through waivers. While I think he'd benefit from playing more minutes I also would be regretful if he was claimed.

Thompson is a bum and if the only consideration is on ice performance that should easily crowd him out
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They'll have training camp and 6 exhibition games to kick the old man to the curb.

Rubtsov isn't going to get claimed, he's not close to NHL ready, he needs a full season in the AHL, although if reports are accurate, his poor KHL play was due to a wrist where the ligaments were separated, so he gets a mulligan.

"Yeah, well, he couldn’t even hold onto his stick or shoot (the puck), so that was the other problem. They came over and they just thought it was a sprain, and he dislocated it — ligaments weren’t even attached to his wrist. But everything’s good to go here now."

Bunnaman is more likely to be claimed, but let's see him out play Thompson first, so far in the NHL he has shown a complete absence of any offensive skills. 39 games the last two years, 0.47 pp/60. Thompson was 0.67 with Winnipeg.
 
FlyerNutter said:
Rubstov to me, albeit with limited viewing has shown Jack shit. Perhaps it’s my own personal bias, but a poor skating forward with little creativity is someone I initially rank quite low.

Bunn has been given a small look, but it’s my undying fascination with Kase that remains. Last I looked he may not even be leaving Europe this season, but it’s so strange to me they just abandoned his development.

A great skater that could have been used in a bottom of the lineup role, but sadly his lower scoring numbers and lack of size likely had the NHL coaches thinking he doesn’t fit their archaic view of a 4th line.

Midnight seems about ready to strike for David, but I’ll maintain it was a missed opportunity to at least gauge what more they had in him.
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We have his rights, let's first see him dominate the Czech league.
It is the rare player who doesn't dominate at lower levels before making their mark in the NHL.
Most top scorers put up 100+ seasons in the CHL (and not overage like Martel), score > ppg in college and/or score > 0.5 ppg at ES in the AHL.
The Czech league is comparable to the AHL so it's doubtful Kase has a NHL future if he isn't a leading scorer this season.

Rinaldo is a great skater, nuff said.
 
deadhead said:
We have his rights, let's first see him dominate the Czech league.
It is the rare player who doesn't dominate at lower levels before making their mark in the NHL.
Most top scorers put up 100+ seasons in the CHL (and not overage like Martel), score > ppg in college and/or score > 0.5 ppg at ES in the AHL.
The Czech league is comparable to the AHL so it's doubtful Kase has a NHL future if he isn't a leading scorer this season.

Rinaldo is a great skater, nuff said.
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Rinaldo comparison is a weird one when looking beyond point totals. Rinaldo was a liability on the ice to outweigh his positives. I’d argue that with the puck on his stick, Kase is the better player. The Flyers didn’t play him because in their eyes he’s too small for the bottom of the lineup spot, and doesn’t score enough to be in the top 6.

We see this song and dance before. Can’t play a kid on a lower line because he doesn’t fit the outdated mold of what a fourth line is apparently supposed to be.

Those games given to Stewart, Andreoff, etc were really beneficial to the young guys on the fringes of making an NHL career.

Alas, the Flyers development strategy is superb after all. Myers, Konecny, Hart, Sanheim, Nak, and Ghost would agree. I don’t have the care to debate this, I’ll just let history repeat itself. Seem ripe to do this this next season.
 
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Kase did crap in the AHL - ES scoring:
2020-21: 19g 2-5 7
2019-20: 51g 7-12 19
2018-19: 40g 6-11 15

Some Europeans can't handle the smaller ice in NA.
 
Flyers have done a well above average job identifying and developing prospects over past 5 years.

they don’t all hit and some just don’t develop. There are always misses.
 
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GapToothedWonder said:
They look great playing at lower levels,
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Kase didn't look that good in the AHL, neither has Bunnaman or Twarynski or Sushko. Funny how many 3rd to 6th rd picks don't make it. I wonder why? Though Lindblom (5th) did, as did Myers, and it looks like Laczynski and Zamula will.

NAK struggled in the AHL and improved, then played well in the NHL before regressing, that was more player than coaching (motivation).
TK, Farabee have developed nicely, TK had an offseason last year but consider the circumstances.
Laughton developed into a solid two way center.

Rubtsov and Laberge were more about injuries since the coaching staff never had much time with either of them.
Ratcliffe is probably more a matter of scouting.

Don't see much evidence that the Flyers are less successful developing prospects than most teams.
It more a matter of HF Board whining than an evidence based opinion.
 
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