Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[joshjull]

 

[Djp]

These are depressing posts. We are finally Really Good. And the boards have No patience with a precise skating and shooting team finding its way also winning plus minus shifts and STOPPING thinking w goalie injuries and new flow.

C'mon Erik johnson is awesome

Levi will stop thinking and play w all the film on him, if a slower Upl can adjust to his film weakness Levi will, quickly Can both adjust to sabre cell telephony antenna brainfarts and stop nhl shooters point blank while everyone besides Erik 6 , zombie like, stands around.

We are 6 and 4. Last ten

Dominated Colorado
Blew the leafs off w Toronto helping along w zebras.

Yet you all seem to want to break up w the sabres and trade them all, c'mon. Its like 5th grade.

They totally didnt hit the freaking leafs. That pissed me off.

Krickets Key to Brats and No patience arena. Land of no fun , judgement and silent brooding over early goals. You all Manifest bad luck pucks and unreal outcomes the phone scum and zebras are happy to help. We are Good. Get on Board. Both us and the Targeted Bills are making the freaking playoffs.

We and they need your belief! Let's kick some asz As we're all out bubble gum. - Roddy P .


F everyone

Why am I targeted With this ?

im one eho is not sky is falling, negative, this teams suck, KA is sn idiot.

How reliable is this source

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

You can take it that way if you want. I was trying to draw light to the fact it is difficult to discuss the roster and potentials moves without using "what if" scenarios. The poster you replied too asked "what if nobody would sign here?" You called them out for using hypotheticals right before saying "what if KA isn't even trying?"

Then you said I am twisting things around, for what purpose exactly? How can anyone try to have a rational discussion with you when you set such rigid "rules" for the discussion that you yourself aren't beholden to? Then on top you get pissy at me for questioning it.

You're wasting your time

 

[Bendium]

You can take it that way if you want. I was trying to draw light to the fact it is difficult to discuss the roster and potentials moves without using "what if" scenarios. The poster you replied too asked "what if nobody would sign here?" You called them out for using hypotheticals right before saying "what if KA isn't even trying?"

Then you said I am twisting things around, for what purpose exactly? How can anyone try to have a rational discussion with you when you set such rigid "rules" for the discussion that you yourself aren't beholden to? Then on top you get pissy at me for questioning it.

Ok. Let me try this again. Totally not trying to be pissy. Let me reframe.

First, I will answer the question of "what if nobody would sign here?" The problem has existed for a couple years, so if no useful UFA would sign here, then the trade route has still been available. Draft and develop takes to many years to be plan A, but should still be attempted for "down the road" purposes.

So, bringing that back to the point I was making. Whether they looked at free agents or not, looked at trades or not, or even see it as a need to fill, makes no difference to me as a hockey fan. They have had the time and assets to find a better answer than they have found, so in my opinion, with regards to providing this team with a (IMO needed) bottom six possession center, the current management has failed to get the job done.

 

[Bendium]

isn’t your claim Adams is sitting on hands doing nothing a hypothetical explanation or do you have inside info?

there is a difference in he wasn’t successful vs not trying. You are saying he wasn’t trying But his post UFA press conference and other sources says otherwise

did he have limits on money and term…probably.

I am not claiming he didn't try at all. I only asked "what if he wasn't trying at all?" to show that it, as the counter question to "what if he tried and failed," is still pointless in evaluating the end result, which is that it didn't get done.

It would be one thing if items like a top 4 dman, starting goaltender, bottom six center, etc., were new problems for only this offseason, and he was only able to find good or reasonable solutions to a couple of them in one offseason, but he has several years with some of them, and the gaping holes remain, so I feel justified as a fan to say, that in this aspect as a GM, I think he has failed so far.

I am not calling for his head yet, but there is no evidence so far that he and Granato can take it past the draft and develop phase. IMO midway thru last season we got there, and last trade deadline needed to show that shift in mentality, but we haven't seen it yet. We have some serious dead wood eating up roster spots that provide ample opportunity to improve the team through replacement, and more prospects coming thru the pipeline than roster spots. IMO, they are starting to fail. Change in mentality needs to come soon.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Krebs to San Jose for Nico Sturm & Yegor Spiridonov (22 defensive C playing in Russia). Yay or nay?

 

[Irie]

Krebs was not rushed for a 1st round late teen pick. He did do 2 yrs in CHL and was traded early in his first ELC year at 20. It’s usually expected yr 1 you might split Ahl and NHL but yr 2 could be full time nhl.

The idea that there is an "expected" timeline on prospects, and that most late first round prospects are going to play in the NHL with just a half of season or even just one season of minors and not heavily struggle at times is not really a thing.

All prospects develop at different rates. You are talking about later first round picks. Just look at the list of forwards meeting that criteria and their paths so far.

2018

13. Ty Dellandrea
14. Joel Farabee
15, Grigori Deniseko
16. Martin Kaut
18. Liam Foudy
19. Jay Obrien
20. Rasmus Kupari
23. Isaac Lunderstrom
25. Dominik Bokk
30 Joe Veleno

2019

15. Cole Caufield
16. Alex Newhook
17. Peyton Krebs
21. Samuel Poulin
23. Simon Holmstrom
24. Philip Tomassino
25. Connor McMichael
26. Jakob Pelletier
27. Nolan Foote
28. Ryan Suzuki
29. Brayden Tracey
30. Johnny Beecher

2020

13, Seth Jarvis
14. Dylan Holloway
17. Lukas Reichel
18. Dason Mercer
21. Yegor Chinakhov
22. Hendrix Lapierre
23. tysom Foerster
24. Connor Zary
26. jake Neighbors
27. Jacob Perreault
28. Ridly Greig
29. Brendan Brisson
30. Mavrik Bourque
31. Ozzy Wiesblatt

The paths these kids are taking to get to the league are all over the map. Some will find success as teenagers(rarely). Some will have a quick linear paths like you are expecting. Some will take more time and won't get their first limited NHL action until they are 22 or 23. Some will be late bloomers, and some will bust.

There will likely be more five year development players and late bloomers that eventually make the league than there will be guys that follow the path you described.

Now look at 2017's draft and look at the guys that made large strides the past two years.

Vilardi, Necas, Chytil, Yamamoto, Tolvanen... lots of ups and downs through their early 20s.

Putting any kind of strict development timeline on players, especially players that have had Achilles surgery and missed substantial time of one of their development years is a mistake in my opinion. There will never be a standard timeline for player development, regardless of where they are drafted.

 

[Bendium]

I don't disagree but you can't teach hockey IQ and his is pretty low.

We should have a whole thread on that topic at some point.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Krebs to San Jose for Nico Sturm & Yegor Spiridonov (22 defensive C playing in Russia). Yay or nay?

Sturm is a great option for a lower end buy. With under two years under contract that might bridge the gap between Ostlund joining the team, or just buy time for KA to find another 4C if Sturm doesn't want to stay. He's a good size and has a great FO%, and a fairly reliable player.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Sturm is a great option for a lower end buy. With under two years under contract that might bridge the gap between Ostlund joining the team, or just buy time for KA to find another 4C if Sturm doesn't want to stay. He's a good size and has a great FO%, and a fairly reliable player.

Spiridonov projects as the same as Sturm, only with more physicality.

 

[Chainshot]

I don’t expect much offense from Krebs in the usage he’s had. But I do expect him to not make so many poor decisions with the puck. It frequently gets us into trouble and his linemates aren’t the cause of that.

I come back to Patrick's words on Krebs - the league puts you in your place.

What Krebs needs is to think about being good at the defensive side of the game, to be the grinder they need him to be, and then when he's doing that if a great pass falls out of his toolbox, it's a bonus.

 

[dkollidas]

Honestly instead of spending massive assets I still believe the guy to go after (unless one of the goalies takes the reins) is Saros. I think he could possibly be available towards the deadline or off-season and he’s the best fit. Would fit perfectly with Levi for a year+, possibly 1-2 playoff runs.

Don’t get me wrong Draisaitl would be huge let alone McDavid… but I don’t want to give up those assets and that cap hit. Like others above stated, you risk becoming Edmonton 2.0

 

[Sabreality]

Honestly instead of spending massive assets I still believe the guy to go after (unless one of the goalies takes the reins) is Saros. I think he could possibly be available towards the deadline or off-season and he’s the best fit. Would fit perfectly with Levi for a year+, possibly 1-2 playoff runs.

Don’t get me wrong Draisaitl would be huge let alone McDavid… but I don’t want to give up those assets and that cap hit. Like others above stated, you risk becoming Edmonton 2.0

I guess my only issue with Saros (outside of availability, which I question) is will he just be 1.5 yr rental and/or are we willing to give him the age 30 Hellye deal summer '25?

I just dont think giving up 3+ prime assets for a goalie, even one like Saros, with his future salary structure is a path KA will go down just yet.

This all comes back to the 'fix the team D' and 'goalie' will follow. Does Saros mask the ongoing issues here after leaving the NSH system?

Chasing goalies continues to be a crapshoot around the league.

 

[Irie]

Honestly instead of spending massive assets I still believe the guy to go after (unless one of the goalies takes the reins) is Saros. I think he could possibly be available towards the deadline or off-season and he’s the best fit. Would fit perfectly with Levi for a year+, possibly 1-2 playoff runs.

Don’t get me wrong Draisaitl would be huge let alone McDavid… but I don’t want to give up those assets and that cap hit. Like others above stated, you risk becoming Edmonton 2.0

Saros is going to cost you Benson ++. Trotz has no reason to move Saros unless he's getting great value back.

The cost to acquire him is going to hurt, and it's going to hurt a lot.

I suggest politely asking the Nashville board what the cost for Saros would be this year at the deadline, just brace yourself for the stickershock.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

We're one of the few (only?) team(s) that could do this and not completely and utterly decimate the team moving forward.

That said....................I can't imagine Edmonton trading McDavid and NOT getting a high-caliber Dman back.

If we trade Power (or Dahlin) plus plus plus.......we basically become Oilers 2.0 -- all offense, little-to-no defense.

If they want a 1st overall D-man, we don't even have to give up Dahlin or Power!

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Krebs to San Jose for Nico Sturm & Yegor Spiridonov (22 defensive C playing in Russia). Yay or nay?

I think I'd rather have someone like Brandon Coe over Spiridonov, but I think the general framework for a deal like that isn't a bad idea.

That said - I think Krebs represents a piece that some GM will overvalue in a blockbuster-type trade.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I think I'd rather have someone like Brandon Coe over Spiridonov, but I think the general framework for a deal like that isn't a bad idea.

That said - I think Krebs represents a piece that some GM will overvalue in a blockbuster-type trade.

That’s also a fine deal for me. Probably would be done without any add ons from San Jose

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Bring Kane in. I am over Krebs, Olofsson, Okposo and Girgensons. Krebs is nothing more then a 4th line player.

 

[toddkaz]

Dare I say I am actually pretty happy with our defensemen and its been years!
Joker- was having a very good start to the year, making good decisions
Johnson - looks like he will be a solid top 4 defenseman and great skater. Fast with decisions
Power - I see people complain about Power but for his sophomore year he seems to be ahead of Dahlin's development curve.(Power a year older than Dahlin's second year).
Dahlin - could play better but is still playing close to mistake free hockey.
Erik Johnson - comes as advertise, slow but solid and makes good decisions. Great Veteran to have
Clifton - I like how active he is in the offensive zone, wasn't expecting that. Physical although sometimes to the point where he puts himself out of position going for hits but comes with the territory.

I think its our bottom 6 that is hurting us the most. Bottom 6 and PP. Okposo is killing the 4th line and our PP has no chemistry and you can see the zone entries on the PP are a mess and there is no set plays.

Cohesiveness is lacking as we constantly see line jugging by Granato but not mentioning it in a bad way but you can see he is trying to find the best fit for everyone.

I feel like Quinn is the missing piece of the puzzle for the lines to fall into place.

My one gripe is with Granato as he is the one that seems to struggle getting this team to gel together. Also doesn't seem to have them ready from the drop of the puck. Not sure he is the right guy to take this team to the next level. On the fence.

Just an observation since the start. Not picking out any one game. Call it the 1/6th season mark observations.

Krebs is still waiver exempt for around 12 more games. I think it is a mistake not to use it to let him play 18-20 minutes in the AHL and try to get him to develop more.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Dare I say I am actually pretty happy with our defensemen and its been years!
Joker- was having a very good start to the year, making good decisions
Johnson - looks like he will be a solid top 4 defenseman and great skater. Fast with decisions
Power - I see people complain about Power but for his sophomore year he seems to be ahead of Dahlin's development curve.(Power a year older than Dahlin's second year).
Dahlin - could play better but is still playing close to mistake free hockey.
Erik Johnson - comes as advertise, slow but solid and makes good decisions. Great Veteran to have
Clifton - I like how active he is in the offensive zone, wasn't expecting that. Physical although sometimes to the point where he puts himself out of position going for hits but comes with the territory.

I think its our bottom 6 that is hurting us the most. Bottom 6 and PP. Okposo is killing the 4th line and our PP has no chemistry and you can see the zone entries on the PP are a mess and there is no set plays.

Cohesiveness is lacking as we constantly see line jugging by Granato but not mentioning it in a bad way but you can see he is trying to find the best fit for everyone.

I feel like Quinn is the missing piece of the puzzle for the lines to fall into place.

My one gripe is with Granato as he is the one that seems to struggle getting this team to gel together. Also doesn't seem to have them ready from the drop of the puck. Not sure he is the right guy to take this team to the next level. Oh the fence.

Just an observation since the start. Not picking out any one game. Call it the 1/6th season mark observations.

Krebs is still waiver exempt for around 12 more games. I think it is a mistake not to use it to let him play 18-20 in the AHL and try to get him to develop more.

Agree with much of this, although I think Clifton is a bit more liable than you infer. He allowed a guy behind him for a clear HDSC in the 2nd period, by not exactly pinching but staying inside the O-zone blueline too long while Carolina transitioned past him. It's been a theme.

If everyone else was healthy right now I'd be good with sending Krebs to Rochester, but there's nobody better to replace him at the moment. The top line played pretty well aside from Skinner's multiple TOs, and that has to be a trend setter for the rest of the FWs - don't force things when a team takes away the rush opps, chip and chase and grind. If the rest of the FWs play that way they'll be ok, but yet we're down a line between injuries and players still playing mediocre or worse (Olofsson, Cozens, Krebs, Okposo on his last legs). What would Granato do about the FWs if Comrie was still healthy right now and he had one less FW spot open?

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Have to hope that Cozens can get on the ice soon, get his head on straight in more ways than one, and Savoie can be an impact/improvement. If that happens, we just need ONE guy to play decent until Quinn returns (probably Rousek).

Good problems on defense though. Ryan Johnson is a great add. If everyone is healthy I see Bryson getting waived/traded, and Clifton sitting or taking turns with EJ. They're probably all safe for now though with Joker's foot, but one day this could look pretty good -

R Johnson - Dahlin
Power - Jokiharju
Samuelsson - E Johnson
Clifton

Flip RyJo and Sammy if you want, but either way that's gonna be good. Next season after EJ probably retires/walks, Sammy would probably be a good partner for Clifton's frequent long wandering adventures around the ice. Just find another steady vet for #6 or #7 if EJ leaves.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Remember when everybody thought this team had enough depth on D because we had Clague, Stillman, and Bryson? LOL. We traded Ilya Lyubushkin for no apparent reason other than to save money because we still have $8.5 M in cap. Samuelsson is out, Maybe Jokiharju. Clifton is okay but not really a top-4 guy. Thankfully, someone came to their sense and bumped Ryan Johnson ahead of some real bums.

What I saw was Bryson playing again in October. We never had enough D, even with Johnson who was a nice chip to have in Rochester, and we've played it now.

So we traded Ilya Lyubushkin for no real reason. Trust me, don't love the guy at all but he has a minimum NHL skill set. We didn't get more depth. Bryson will likely pencil into the next game unless they bring up an AHL-level guy like Davies or Clague.

There isn't a team in the league that doesn't get injuries on D. Every year. You always end up 8 deep over a year. We should have had a decent 7th guy not named Bryson and Ryan Johnson as a maybe 8th guy eligible to go up and down.

So here we are again 6-6-0-1, with defensive problems and tons of cap room. It makes sooooo much sense.

 

[Jim Bob]

Remember when everybody thought this team had enough depth on D because we had Clague, Stillman, and Bryson? LOL. We traded Ilya Lyubushkin for no apparent reason other than to save money because we still have $8.5 M in cap. Samuelsson is out, Maybe Jokiharju. Clifton is okay but not really a top-4 guy. Thankfully, someone came to their sense and bumped Ryan Johnson ahead of some real bums.

What I saw was Bryson playing again in October. We never had enough D, even with Johnson who was a nice chip to have in Rochester, and we've played it now.

So we traded Ilya Lyubushkin for no real reason. Trust me, don't love the guy at all but he has a minimum NHL skill set. We didn't get more depth. Bryson will likely pencil into the next game unless they bring up an AHL-level guy like Davies or Clague.

There isn't a team in the league that doesn't get injuries on D. Every year. You always end up 8 deep over a year. We should have had a decent 7th guy not named Bryson and Ryan Johnson as a maybe 8th guy eligible to go up and down.

So here we are again 6-6-0-1, with defensive problems and tons of cap room. It makes sooooo much sense.

Lyubushkin was moved because of the lack of roster spots on D in Buffalo after signing two RHD in UFA and losing none.

If they had kept Lyubushkin, they would have had to waive Bryson or Lyubushkin at the end of camp and further add to the D logjam in Rochester to start the season.

 

[TageGod]

Remember when everybody thought this team had enough depth on D because we had Clague, Stillman, and Bryson? LOL. We traded Ilya Lyubushkin for no apparent reason other than to save money because we still have $8.5 M in cap. Samuelsson is out, Maybe Jokiharju. Clifton is okay but not really a top-4 guy. Thankfully, someone came to their sense and bumped Ryan Johnson ahead of some real bums.

What I saw was Bryson playing again in October. We never had enough D, even with Johnson who was a nice chip to have in Rochester, and we've played it now.

So we traded Ilya Lyubushkin for no real reason. Trust me, don't love the guy at all but he has a minimum NHL skill set. We didn't get more depth. Bryson will likely pencil into the next game unless they bring up an AHL-level guy like Davies or Clague.

There isn't a team in the league that doesn't get injuries on D. Every year. You always end up 8 deep over a year. We should have had a decent 7th guy not named Bryson and Ryan Johnson as a maybe 8th guy eligible to go up and down.

So here we are again 6-6-0-1, with defensive problems and tons of cap room. It makes sooooo much sense.

This is just an awful post. At best you can say Boosh>Bryson for that roster spot. Johnson was good enough to make the roster out of camp. Also the D is not the issue AT ALL. It is team D from forwards, lack of scoring early, and a bad PP costing them.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Remember when everybody thought this team had enough depth on D because we had Clague, Stillman, and Bryson? LOL. We traded Ilya Lyubushkin for no apparent reason other than to save money because we still have $8.5 M in cap. Samuelsson is out, Maybe Jokiharju. Clifton is okay but not really a top-4 guy. Thankfully, someone came to their sense and bumped Ryan Johnson ahead of some real bums.

What I saw was Bryson playing again in October. We never had enough D, even with Johnson who was a nice chip to have in Rochester, and we've played it now.

So we traded Ilya Lyubushkin for no real reason. Trust me, don't love the guy at all but he has a minimum NHL skill set. We didn't get more depth. Bryson will likely pencil into the next game unless they bring up an AHL-level guy like Davies or Clague.

There isn't a team in the league that doesn't get injuries on D. Every year. You always end up 8 deep over a year. We should have had a decent 7th guy not named Bryson and Ryan Johnson as a maybe 8th guy eligible to go up and down.

So here we are again 6-6-0-1, with defensive problems and tons of cap room. It makes sooooo much sense.

No, I sure as hell don't remember that. We all knew the depth had to be better. I mean, teams can only keep 7 or 8 D-men so what the hell are you complaining about? Lyubushkin had some fans here but I wasn't one of them, and EJ is a HELL of an improvement over Boosh. With RyJo in the mix we can actually put a 3 mil UFA signing at #7 on the depth chart. That's night and day from last season. Shake your head on this one. There's other legitimate issues to complain about.