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Roster Talk: Nearing the 20 game mark
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It was impressive what he did to Boyle, but we all know that Brian is a pretty big softie. I have trouble seeing Weal doing that consistently on a daily basis.
Who knows, maybe he's just over thinking his game. It wouldn't be the first time rookies were deathly afraid of making mistakes on a Sutter team. But as much as I've been pulling for the guy, I just don't see a fit. When guys like Martinez, Muzzin, Toffoli, King, Lewis first came up, even though they all struggled mightily you could see what they brought and that they fit the Kings mold. I just don't see that with Weal.
Mersch has that in spades, which is why I fully expect him to replace Weal on the roster before long.
King'sPawn
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Don't care if the Kings have an extra roster spot or not. This guy is not ready for prime time. Running into McBain yesterday in front of the goal was absolutely ridiculous, truly a Keystone Kops episode, and convinced me that the Kings may need another doctor on staff to extract the splinters from his ass over the entire season.
Rather see Mersch come up. If Weal continues to play as poorly as he has, put him on the waiver wire and cut our losses.
Sorry, can't really agree with you at all here.
Weal will make mistakes, that's what rookies do. Muzzin made mistakes as a rookie. King made mistakes as a rookie, etc.
As I said when I was on the Muzzin bandwagon when he was a rookie, he may have made mistakes, but he took chances, learned from his mistakes, and tried to develop his identity in the NHL.
Weal is trying to find his spot, and while that was a laughable collision with McBain, you don't want to make rookies afraid of making mistakes. That collision aside, it was by far his best game.
Even if he doesn't round out his game, he's still a talented player who some team would be willing to trade for. Why put him on waivers and lose him for nothing?
agree with all king's pawn wrote.
jeez players make mistakes, including seasoned ones
as for size, from all accounts weal's faced that talk before and has generally proven people wrong
we all know there are plenty of smaller skilled guys who are finding their way in the nhl
weal's got a good shot based on his track record
but agree too that it's hard to say if it''ll be with the kings
mersch will be good but needs a bit more time playing/developing a fully rounded game.
kempe might actually be the better player in the long run?
jeez players make mistakes, including seasoned ones
as for size, from all accounts weal's faced that talk before and has generally proven people wrong
we all know there are plenty of smaller skilled guys who are finding their way in the nhl
weal's got a good shot based on his track record
but agree too that it's hard to say if it''ll be with the kings
mersch will be good but needs a bit more time playing/developing a fully rounded game.
kempe might actually be the better player in the long run?
I think there was a marked difference with Muzzin, King, Nolan, Pearson, and Martinez (all the players mentioned above).
I just don't know if Weal has what it takes. He seems very tentative out there. At least the players mentioned above went after it, mistakes and all. Weal is making mistakes and doesn't seem to be engaged as much as he should have.
I just haven't seen it in the (now) four games he's played. The only reason Sutter is giving him a chance now is because Lewis is hurt. I haven't seen anything in these past two games that would change Sutter's mind to play him once Lewis comes back. At least the other guys earned their spots (Martinez really had to win over Sutter and obviously he did).
I just don't know if Weal has what it takes. He seems very tentative out there. At least the players mentioned above went after it, mistakes and all. Weal is making mistakes and doesn't seem to be engaged as much as he should have.
I just haven't seen it in the (now) four games he's played. The only reason Sutter is giving him a chance now is because Lewis is hurt. I haven't seen anything in these past two games that would change Sutter's mind to play him once Lewis comes back. At least the other guys earned their spots (Martinez really had to win over Sutter and obviously he did).
King'sPawn
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I understand, and that's completely fair. As I've said, I have reservations about Weal's future with the Kings as well, so I hope my responses aren't being misinterpreted as someone blindly defending him out of sheer fanboy motives.
As I said, last game was his BEST game. That collision with McBain is because he "went for it" instead of being tentative and hemming and hawing.
If you want to punish a player for playing tentatively, I agree with your criticism, although I think he played more confidently compared to his previous three games. If you're talking about benching him because he made a mistake, though, I don't agree with you.
Just wanted to clarify my stance
losingsand
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Sure Weal isn't running away with his few and far between opportunities... but it's a little too soon to write him off so quickly. His size makes him an easy write-off target. I've watched a lot of Monarchs games, been to many a rookie camps and to me he's more than just a one-dimensional undersized guy. He's a crafty tenacious defender and is incredibly skilled at stripping the puck, to go along with his creative offensive ability. You'll see that "active stick" quality the more he gets the opportunity. We all know he's a little out of his element playing 7 minutes a game with Cliffy and Nolan. It's not "in a position to easily succeed" situation by any means... and while that IS an excuse I think it's a pretty good one.
RON has made up his mind and that's fine, we're all entitled to our assessment but I am one that is REALLY hoping this guy beats all odds and succeeds on this team... no other undersized forward has been able to crack it into DEAN and SUTTER'S line-up...I think out of all the shrimpers, weal has the best chance.
We've been lucky to have our TOP 6 in-tact. Weal can slot in at RW and C so it's good to have him around IMO in case we get hit up top.
RON has made up his mind and that's fine, we're all entitled to our assessment but I am one that is REALLY hoping this guy beats all odds and succeeds on this team... no other undersized forward has been able to crack it into DEAN and SUTTER'S line-up...I think out of all the shrimpers, weal has the best chance.
We've been lucky to have our TOP 6 in-tact. Weal can slot in at RW and C so it's good to have him around IMO in case we get hit up top.
gnarls barkley
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the thing is with Weal is that we already have a massive log jam of good to great bottom six forwards - unless he has legit top 6 potential i honestly don't care if he can play adequately on our bottom six, we have more than enough guys who can play the high energy rough and tumble game needed there who don't have to overcome the size disadvantage. unless he's gonna develop into a 2RW/high end 3C overnight i don't see a place for him on this team unfortunately. i know he hasn't been given the best of chances so far this year, but you guys know as well as i do that Dean is in it to win it in this window now, and i'd rather see Weal dealt in a package to get us a top 4 D (or even 3C) at this point in time.
be honest here, he's not even close to being a Gaudreau or Tyler Johnson yet, and he likely won't ever be near that on this team barring massive catastrophe
be honest here, he's not even close to being a Gaudreau or Tyler Johnson yet, and he likely won't ever be near that on this team barring massive catastrophe
KINGS17
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Possibly not going up at all. Last year the early projections were quite a bit higher than the actual cap for 2015-16.
With the CDN dollar still in decline, I don't think GMs should count the cap going up at all.
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deeshamrock
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And possibly no increase from what Bettman said yesterday. He is being cautiously optimistic and that's a good thing since every GM is worried but most are wary of the reality of it.
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger · 15h15 hours ago
High end cap of $74.5 is a projection. Some are also skeptical and believe it could hang around where it is now, $71.4.
and I tend to believe that, or a slight increase.
A couple million more and we can sign both Kopitar and Lucic without losing Lewis or King (the following summer).
Cool beans.
Cool beans.
Reaper45
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I'd trade Weal in a deadline deal in a heartbeat. Deal him for Jagr, the jersey sales alone will be worth it.
KINGS17
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Nope.
Here is a projection, circa June 2014, of the cap being $76M for 2015-16 immediately before Kane and Toews signed their deals, which again points to why the Toews deal should not be used as a comp for Kopitar.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/mad...uld-Rise-12-Million-by-2015-16-262387121.html
Here is a projection of something in the neighborhood of $72M for 2015-16 made in January of 2015.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nhl/235931/2015-16-salary-cap-range-likely-$717---$73m
Where did the cap end up for 2015-16? $71.4M
There was never a projection that was below reality. I suggest you go on-line and search for articles regarding how the decline of the CDN dollar will affect the NHL salary cap. Many people have posted them here quite often.
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If Enroth doesn't re-sign on another cheap deal and seeing how our backup of the future is a girlfriend beater that may never be allowed in a Kings uniform ever again…
I just realized Bernier will be a UFA next year. No one else will want him after his craptastic display this year. Thinking $700k might get it done and Ranford can use his magic beans to turn him back into a manageable backup. He'd be the most talented goalie we could get for less than $1M, but someone needs to screw his head back on correctly. Would be worth it just for the NSH games...
I just realized Bernier will be a UFA next year. No one else will want him after his craptastic display this year. Thinking $700k might get it done and Ranford can use his magic beans to turn him back into a manageable backup. He'd be the most talented goalie we could get for less than $1M, but someone needs to screw his head back on correctly. Would be worth it just for the NSH games...
Right.
For the same reason the Kings won't want him. No one will want him.
Maybe for a dolla.
deeshamrock
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wrong. And he's still a part of the LEafs plans going forward. . He's a good goalie, a starter not a backup and was fantastic for them for a long time, carrying them on most nights thru his first 2 years when he had nothing in front off him, A team that quit on every shift and was facing 40 SOG a night. It's mental issue, and he's not the first goalie to have a slump like this and won't be the last.
The conditioning stint in the AHL will be good for him, he's already had back to back shutouts which will do his confidence a world of good. That's why they sent him there, to put in a lot of minutes and get his mojo back. Their goal was to have him play a couple weeks and start every game and see how it goes and it's going well, it's what he needed.
They'll bring him back up and move Reimer at the deadline most likely.
And he's signed at 4M plus thru 2017, Enroth's deal ends this year. And given how well Enroth has played, there might be a team that would sign him.
You're right - he is signed through next year.
I agree with you Enroth has outplayed his contract and make more money elsewhere. We just don't have any money to spend on a backup. Barto would have been perfect $$, but he really screwed that up. Gonna have to go bottom fishing for a backup. Or play Quick 82 games.
Minor Boarding
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This comes directly from Garry Bettman (please read the entire article here):
Source: Yahoo PuckDaddy
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KINGS17
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Yup, and all of the early projections last year were too high. The longer the CDN dollar is down, the greater the impact on the cap. The CDN dollar could also go down further, and likely will if oil remains down and the U.S. Federal Reserve increases interest rates.
Planning on an increase of $3M at this stage of the game is a bad idea.
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Weal doesn't have that great of a 200ft game, he isn't that great in the circle either. The young man has to make the roster on his ability to fore-check, and create offense for the bottom six(use his speed/vision).
So far he has failed to play to his strengths. Weal needs to show more.
So far he has failed to play to his strengths. Weal needs to show more.
deeshamrock
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I don't think they'll go bottom fishing, there are always backup goalies out there (like Enroth was last year) and if given their druthers, the Kings are a good fit.
Sometimes you get lucky, the Flyers did with Neuvirth whose been great. Enough so that it gives Hexy an option to trade mason (and his 4M) at the deadline, maybe sign Neuvrith for 2 yrs and bring up Stolarz to back him up and start his NHL career.
Hey the Master of the Universe is out there...Bryzzy boy...
tsanuri
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They were off by about $2M from last year. I agree that planning on it isn't a good idea and was reported many GM's are planning along that line of it not being that high. But you would actually hope they learned from last year and maybe gave a very conservative estimate on the cap. That expect the Loonie to drop to say even $.65-70.
But I really don't have much faith in that.
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