Roster speculation part XIV

[Zip15]

Trading for Vanek should be like Plan Q for adding a winger with talent this offseason.

Drafting someone who speaks Finnish, Rick Nash, a UFA like Okposo, etc. are all routes to go down before you get to trying to get Vanek to waive a NMC to come back to Buffalo.

One of the +s to adding Vanek would be having him as the net front presence guy on the 1st PP unit. Then you have Eichel, Reinhart, ROR, and Risto working the puck around.

I'd rather stick a flagpole up my urethra before signing Kyle Okposo to the contract he's going to get in UFA.

 

[OkimLom]

Myers is a #2/3 AT BEST. More like a #3. Myers played at a Norris level for two years? Huh? When? You mean in NHL 16 Dynasty mode played on Rookie with the sliders fixed in your favor maybe. Myers, the 6'8 stud dman who looks for the smallest player on the opposing team right away whenever there is an on ice scrum/fight. It was so funny how much this board pimped Myers (Like when 95% of you wouldn't have traded him for Taylor Hall ) and then he gets dealt and brought back not anywhere near what you all thought he would. HF Sabres demanded a kings ransom on the trade board whenever Myers was brought up. Instead he was packaged with a 1st + top 6 forward rental + 2 decent prospects for Bogo and Kane. Even for how bad Bogo was earlier in the year I take Bogosian over Myers all day. Bogo is the only dman on this team besides Risto who shows any physicality on a regular basis.

And the people who call Kane a third liner must be in dream land. What kind of 3rd liner makes over $5 mil a season and averages 25 goals per 82 games? 3rd liners don't score 19 goals almost every season, in today's league that's a top 6 forward. This isn't the 80s. You can say Kane has a lot of qualities that would fit good on a teams 3rd line due to his speed, grit, physical play and forechecking but he isn't a 3rd liner, not even close. Girgensons is a 3rd liner. Larsson is a 4th liner who can spell on the 3rd for stretches. Kane is firmly planted in any teams top 6.

Myers would easily be your best dman. I think it's hilarious you think Schultz is better, why because he had a good rookie year? Lets see, Myers as a rookie put up more points/better ppg then Schultz, is a far better defensive dman and won the Calder at 19/20. Schultz just had his rookie season and is the same age as Myers. Add in the fact Schultz put up an elite -17 this year and his team was garbage. On the flip side Myers led his team to a division title as a rookie and helped his goalie win the Vezina.Or let's see that Schultz was 7th on the Oilers in SHTOI/g.... FOR DMEN. While Myers LED the Sabres in SHTOI as a rookie. Oh yeah, the Sabres PK was 2nd in the league that year too. Myers rookie season blows Schultzs out of the water.Jeff Petry better then Myers?

Myers > Schultz and its not close. Myers followed up his rookie season with a 37 point season and then a season where he had a 34 point pace. All while being a rock defensively. This past season was the only bad one he's had and that had more to do with a major injury overseas during the lockout and his idiot head coach who was ruining him.

Gotta love HF, one bad year and now your not even as good as a rookie who put up 1 decent season, compared to a guy who put up 2 great seasons, one good one and one bad one.Myers is only 23 and is a legit top pairing guy with Norris potential. I'm not giving up on him after a bad shortened season.

Myers has just scratched the surface and is a top overall dman

This one poster would like a word with you....Take a wild stab at who it is.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I don't think our younger players are that mentally fragile or lazy for one year of Vanek to screw up their work ethic. I also don't think Vanek is worth trading for regardless...UNLESS Minny wants to throw a big bone for taking his contract (ie, taking a lesser return for Brodin, but that's quite doubtful).

 

[Der Jaeger]

I don't think our younger players are that mentally fragile or lazy for one year of Vanek to screw up their work ethic. I also don't think Vanek is worth trading for regardless...UNLESS Minny wants to throw a big bone for taking his contract (ie, taking a lesser return for Brodin, but that's quite doubtful).

I don't want anything left to chance. We want Eichel to become the next Yzerman: initial somewhat iffy work ethic it team captain and superb role model. Vanek is toward the other end of the spectrum: supremely talented player who dogs it.

Not even willing to risk one year of Vanek around Eichel.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Murray is building LA, like he said he would. Decision makers at center, heavy on the wings, very athletic. I'm interested in wingers like Tuch and Christian Fischer in trades, and drafting wingers like Bastian and Knierim. If Buffalo needs a net front presence to move Reinhart to a playmaking position, he's about to sign with the team.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I don't want anything left to chance. We want Eichel to become the next Yzerman: initial somewhat iffy work ethic it team captain and superb role model. Vanek is toward the other end of the spectrum: supremely talented player who dogs it.

Not even willing to risk one year of Vanek around Eichel.

But you know, having that bad kid in class or on the soccer team is always a great teaching example for my kid to know what NOT to do...so it could be a good thing right?

Oh wait...Moulson.

 

[Der Jaeger]

But you know, having that bad kid in class or on the soccer team is always a great teaching example for my kid to know what NOT to do...so it could be a good thing right?

Oh wait...Moulson.

Huge difference is pro's and kids. I can influence my kids before and after school and practice. Where's Eichel's parents? Influences?

Right - it's his teammates and coaches.

Bad analogy with kids in class and on a team.

Moulson's iffy work ethic wasn't an issue until this season. Vanek's iffy work ethic is a career thing.

 

[gallagt01]

I think Buffalo has a strong enough leadership group in place to offset the addition of a player with a questionable work ethic/attitude problems, but I don't want the player added to be Vanek (been there, done that).

Either way, the Sabres' "kids" aren't mentally frail children. Adding Vanek would change very little in the room (and it probably wouldn't change much on the ice, either).

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Huge difference is pro's and kids. I can influence my kids before and after school and practice. Where's Eichel's parents? Influences?

Right - it's his teammates and coaches.

Bad analogy with kids in class and on a team.

Moulson's iffy work ethic wasn't an issue until this season. Vanek's iffy work ethic is a career thing.

I kid, mostly.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Looking at the possible future of going three deep at center (Reinhart, O'Reilly, Eichel), all three need bigger, fast, heavy wingers. Especially Reinhart. I think Fasching's size and mobility can open up ice for Reinhart.

Kane - O'Reilly - xxx
Girgensons - Eichel - yyy
zzz - Reinhart - Fasching
Foligno - Larsson - aaa

xxx: puck possession skills. In the system: Bailey. Trade: Christian Fischer.
yyy: scorer. In system: ?. Trade: Alex Tuch. UFA: Loui Eriksson. Draft: Bastian.
zzz: two-way forward. In system: Carrier.
aaa: possession forward with some playmaking skills. In system: Olofsson? Compher would've been great here.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I think Buffalo has a strong enough leadership group in place to offset the addition of a player with a questionable work ethic/attitude problems, but I don't want the player added to be Vanek (been there, done that).

Either way, the Sabres' "kids" aren't mentally frail children. Adding Vanek would change very little in the room (and it probably wouldn't change much on the ice, either).

Or they could add a great vet like Loui Eriksson and put him on Eichel's wing...... and improve a young locker room.

After years of the Rochester Core's locker room issues, no need to go back.

 

[Zman5778]

This is what I want to see the rest of the season:

Kane-ROR-Girgensons
Fasching-Jack-Sam
Foligno-Larsson-Gio
Des-Legwand-Moulson

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

This is what I want to see the rest of the season:

Kane-ROR-Girgensons
Fasching-Jack-Sam
Foligno-Larsson-Gio
Des-Legwand-Moulson

That puts Girgs and Fasching on their off wings, and puts three rooks together. Flip those guys back and it's just fine.

 

[Der Jaeger]

That puts Girgs and Fasching on their off wings, and puts three rooks together. Flip those guys back and it's just fine.

Agree. No need to make more moves than necessary.

 

[Ness]

I liked Vanek. No interest in bringing him back.

 

[Zman5778]

That puts Girgs and Fasching on their off wings, and puts three rooks together. Flip those guys back and it's just fine.

I'm..........not intelligent...........sometimes.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I'm..........not intelligent...........sometimes.

I just read the Buf-Minny thread on the trade board, and I'm right there with you now.

 

[TehDoak]

Fasching starts next year in Rochester unless he's way ahead of the development curve.

Kane-O'Reilly-Ennis
XXXX-Eichel-Reinhart
Folgino/Girgenson-Larsson-Gionta
Deslaurier-XXXXXX-XXXX

He gets a taste of the NHL now, let him earn his call up next year. Carrier, Bailey, Dupuy, and Schaller all have paid their dues and fill a bottom 6 role long term. Fasching waits to take Gionta's spot if he doesn't retire this summer. He gets a full year of seasoning.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Fasching starts next year in Rochester unless he's way ahead of the development curve.

Kane-O'Reilly-Ennis
XXXX-Eichel-Reinhart
Folgino/Girgenson-Larsson-Gionta
Deslaurier-XXXXXX-XXXX

He gets a taste of the NHL now, let him earn his call up next year. Carrier, Bailey, Dupuy, and Schaller all have paid their dues and fill a bottom 6 role long term. Fasching waits to take Gionta's spot if he doesn't retire this summer. He gets a full year of seasoning.

Foligno and Larsson need a two-way mid-grade playmaker on RW. Fasching is not that guy. He's better with one of the top centers.

I won't put Ennis into any future line-up until he's proven healthy.

 

[joshjull]

I'd rather stick a flagpole up my urethra before signing Kyle Okposo to the contract he's going to get in UFA.

So you're saying you don't want to sign him?

 

[DazedandConfused]

This one poster would like a word with you....Take a wild stab at who it is.

/gottalovehf

 

[tsujimoto74]

I'd rather stick a flagpole up my urethra before signing Kyle Okposo to the contract he's going to get in UFA.

You're either being very open about some strange...interests, or really not into Okposo, eh?

 

[BotterilltheScrivner]

Murray has stated repeatedly that he wants a big, tough team to play against, why would he want 5 of the softest players in the NHL back.....

2011 Sabres - 29 (pomminville), 44 (Sekera), 28 (gaustad), 57 (Myers) and 26 (Vanek) were all on the ice for the Miller hit and they all showed their true colors....completely check cashiers, no toughness at all, all have not accomplished anything of significance in the NHL.

Why would anyone want them around any of our young studs?????

Why?????


They were all part of a failed management and a failed core....


Campbell would be a good fit but he was never a problem here, even cried on his way out of town. A position of need and brings a Cup.

The only other ex-Sabre I can think of that I would let come back would be Paille. Good role player that played on very competitive teams also.

The guy who was released from his PTO in the AHL earlier this year?

 

[dotcommunism]

The guy who was released from his PTO in the AHL earlier this year?

Uh, the reason that Paille was released from his AHL contract with Rockford was so that he could sign an NHL contract with the Rangers.

 

[BotterilltheScrivner]

Uh, the reason that Paille was released from his AHL contract with Rockford was so that he could sign an NHL contract with the Rangers.

My bad, wasn't aware of that. He was promptly sent down to Hartford though, hasn't been a contributor at even the AHL level this year, and was terrible in his games with the Rangers. So, the idea that he could return and help this team remains ridiculous.