Roster Speculation Part XI...$teven $tamko$?? Pony up for PK?

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Heraldic

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That may happen but its not what the statement says.



I don't think this announcement really gave any real answer. I mean, the odds of Stamkos being traded before the deadline were pretty small. Sure, Yzerman might find it pretty hard to move 7,5 million without retention if Stamkos tells on the deadline day that he wants to move in a specific team.
 

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http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/02/15...raded-before-the-nhls-trade-deadline-yzerman/

Reports from Sportsnet and the Tampa Tribune suggested the opening offers hovered around eight years at $8.5 million per season — for a $68M deal overall — but the focus won’t necessarily be on the Lightning’s offer.

It’ll be on what Stamkos could get in free agency.

By going to market, he’d be the biggest prize since Zach Parise and Ryan Suter landed in Minnesota four years ago, with matching $98 million deals. If Stamkos wants to join Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews as the NHL’s lone $10M cap hits, it’s very likely he’d get it in free agency — not in Tampa, where Yzerman must keep the finances in check to ensure he can address other pressing free agents on the horizon, like Victor Hedman and Ben Bishop (UFAs) and Ondrej Palat and Tyler Johnson (all up in 2018).

Oh, and RFAs Nikita Kucherov and Vladislav Namestnikov, both of whom need new deals this summer.

If Yzerman doesn't want to go north of $8.5M per for Stamkos because of other guys he needs to pay moving forward, I would be surprised if Murray were willing to go north of $10M per for Stamkos.

We might see, though...
 

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I don't think this announcement really gave any real answer. I mean, the odds of Stamkos being traded before the deadline were pretty small. Sure, Yzerman might find it pretty hard to move 7,5 million without retention if Stamkos tells on the deadline day that he wants to move in a specific team.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams

Half the league would be able to add Stamkos on TDL day without sending salary back to TB.

Nashville, Anaheim, Florida, and NJ are in that group. If Yzerman were willing to move Stamkos at the deadline, he'd have no problem doing so.
 

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^ Read the announcement again and Yzerman clearly meant that Stamkos ends his season there. I should be in bed already. :laugh:
 

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http://www.generalfanager.com/teams

Half the league would be able to add Stamkos on TDL day without sending salary back to TB.

Nashville, Anaheim, Florida, and NJ are in that group. If Yzerman were willing to move Stamkos at the deadline, he'd have no problem doing so.

Yeah, but Stamkos has NMC so he most likely wants to go to a contender. Nashville or Anaheim might work, though.

But he is finishing in Tampa. The fuzz around Stamkos will be HUGE before he actually signs somewhere.
 

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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...eafs-islanders-frederik-andersen-jimmy-vesey/

Stamkos would benefit more in Buffalo
Steven Stamkos won't be traded in-season, Lightning GM Steve Yzerman announced Monday, but that hardly puts to rest the notion of him signing elsewhere come summer.

Mike Harrington of the Buffalo News takes a stab at the Sabres angle. Harrington argues that Buffalo could surround Stamkos with a better supporting cast than Toronto can if the player does want out of Tampa.

"They’re far closer to winning than the Leafs are and already have core pieces in place. How would Stamkos look alongside Jack Eichel or Sam Reinhart, for instance?" he wonders. "You want more money than the $10.5 million per year that Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews are making? No problem. Terry Pegula can easily come through with $11-12 million a year, even with the need to pay Rasmus Ristolainen now and Eichel and Reinhart in a couple of years."

Stamkos would avoid a "media circus" by choosing Buffalo or Toronto, Harrington points out, but have you seen Stamkos in a scrum? Media attention doesn't phase the kid. And the sponsorship opportunities, historic significance, and pull of friends and family in Toronto outweigh whatever Buffalo can offer in a more enticing current roster.
 

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I can't imagine "historic significance" is something Stamkos really cares about. :laugh:
 

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In a stunning turn of events, Steven Stamkos opts to play for the Charlestown Chiefs in exchange for a life time supply of Paul Newman salad dressings ...... :D
 

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I can't imagine "historic significance" is something Stamkos really cares about. :laugh:

It's not surprising that a SportsNet writer doesn't think helping the Sabres get their first Cup in franchise history would rise to the level of "historic significance".

:toothless
 

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The irony of that statement coming from Mike Harrington.

Option 1: Steven Stamkos signs with the Sabres and the Buffalo News and WGR give all of their dreadful personalities lifelong contracts. "Lifelong" meaning they will be the only reporters covering the Sabres for the rest of YOUR life.

Option 2: Steven Stamkos signs with the Leafs and the same day the Buffalo News and WGR replace all of their personalities with people you would actually enjoy reading and listening too.

Which option do you take?

Personally I have already worked TBN and 550 out of my routine, but a few months ago I might have been willing to gamble on our current roster if it meant having sports radio and news I would enjoy.
 

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Is there any level of concern with Stamkos's production this year?

From me, absolutely. His production has really taken a hit since he came back from breaking his leg. Whatever team he signs with, I'm very skeptical he'll be worth what he's gonna get paid. It's not like he's a guy who brings a lot outside of scoring.
 

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The irony of that statement coming from Mike Harrington.

To be fair, he's right to some extent. Buffalo has some troll figures in the media for sure, but the Leafs are a completely different beast. More local papers, all the national canadian media being HQ'd in Toronto. He'd have a bit of a bubble existence in Buffalo, but it'd be on a much bigger scale in Toronto.
 

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To be fair, he's right to some extent. Buffalo has some troll figures in the media for sure, but the Leafs are a completely different beast. More local papers, all the national canadian media being HQ'd in Toronto. He'd have a bit of a bubble existence in Buffalo, but it'd be on a much bigger scale in Toronto.

In back to back seasons the Bills head coach (Marrone and then Rex) have commented on the local media being overly negative; for a lack of a better description.

Do you think that because there are limited media sources in Buffalo it is actually harder to ignore? Would NY and TOR "media circus" be easier to ignore because it has become just noise? In other words, maybe having more public viewpoints is a good thing instead of one viewpoint TBN and WGR's shared negativity being played over and over.
 

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It would be worse for Stamkos in Toronto because there he'll have to deal with the potential of both Toronto and Buffalo Media... like when a certain Mike Babcock had his presser with TML and a certain Mike Harrington made a road trip to ask a few embarrassing questions.... :)
 

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In back to back seasons the Bills head coach (Marrone and then Rex) have commented on the local media being overly negative; for a lack of a better description.

Do you think that because there are limited media sources in Buffalo it is actually harder to ignore? Would NY and TOR "media circus" be easier to ignore because it has become just noise? In other words, maybe having more public viewpoints is a good thing instead of one viewpoint TBN and WGR's shared negativity being played over and over.

Buffalo doesn't have 100 media members at an off day optional practice. ...

Buffalo may be negative, Marrone was a combative d bag, but the scale is exponentially worse, from coverage to opinions. None of which mentions the lifestyle. Stamkos could go to wegmans and a few ppl might say high, but he could be fairly anonymous. Toronto wouldbe unending stalker paparazzi crap.
 

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It would be worse for Stamkos in Toronto because there he'll have to deal with the potential of both Toronto and Buffalo Media... like when a certain Mike Babcock had his presser with TML and a certain Mike Harrington made a road trip to ask a few embarrassing questions.... :)

Haha. Well that will only be for the first press conference after he picks TML over Buffalo to embarrass the whole community to the hockey world. Then they will go back to focusing their garbage on the Sabres.
 

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From me, absolutely. His production has really taken a hit since he came back from breaking his leg. Whatever team he signs with, I'm very skeptical he'll be worth what he's gonna get paid. It's not like he's a guy who brings a lot outside of scoring.

This very well could go like Brad Richards and Chris Drury.

The Sabres miss out on a big UFA and he doesn't work out for the duration of the contract he signs.
 

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Buffalo doesn't have 100 media members at an off day optional practice. ...

Buffalo may be negative, Marrone was a combative d bag, but the scale is exponentially worse, from coverage to opinions. None of which mentions the lifestyle. Stamkos could go to wegmans and a few ppl might say high, but he could be fairly anonymous. Toronto wouldbe unending stalker paparazzi crap.

Stamkos would get noticed all the time by fans in Buffalo.

But, players have said repeatedly that fans notice them when they are out and they are great to the players.
 

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Im worried about this mainly for 2 reasons - He's already 27, in a league where alot of players wind down once they hit 30/31 and hes not signing a 3 year deal. Secondly that leg injury has affected his production which isnt a dig at him it would effect everyone in one way or another.

I just dont want too see an Anaheim situation in Kesler, where his 7 year deal kicks in next year and hes allready broken.

No comparing Kesler to Stamkos - but i can see Buffalo being stuck with a bad contact for 6 years after only 3 good seasons.
 

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Im worried about this mainly for 2 reasons - He's already 27, in a league where alot of players wind down once they hit 30/31 and hes not signing a 3 year deal. Secondly that leg injury has affected his production which isnt a dig at him it would effect everyone in one way or another.

I just dont want too see an Anaheim situation in Kesler, where his 7 year deal kicks in next year and hes allready broken.

No comparing Kesler to Stamkos - but i can see Buffalo being stuck with a bad contact for 6 years after only 3 good seasons.

He's 26, not 27. And he just had his birthday.
 

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I don't think Stamkos is worth the money he will likely get or at least ask for due to the combination of his age, the injury and decreased production - as you guys have mentioned.

In the end, I think the Buffalo angle makes enough sense to sweeten the offer that Toronto will be extending. So like Babcock, we will end up having been used to get more money or term from Toronto.
 

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I don't think Stamkos is worth the money he will likely get or at least ask for due to the combination of his age, the injury and decreased production - as you guys have mentioned.

In the end, I think the Buffalo angle makes enough sense to sweeten the offer that Toronto will be extending. So like Babcock, we will end up having been used to get more money or term from Toronto.

Hey I'm all for getting Toronto into cap hell at anytime. If this helps then so be it.
 
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