Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[periferal]

If we’re building around Eiserman and Nelson, we are in big trouble. Both are trending well, but neither screams elite level talent that forms the core of your rebuild. The assets we need to build around have yet to be acquired.

Easy now Chockey. While you're making a ton of sense, you might just be suggesting something that a few on here will not want to hear.

 

[MJF]

HF needs a Whining Button . . .

 

[leeroggy]

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Are they prescription? I need progressive ones!

 

[doublechili]

You're going to have this center lineup eventually

Horvat
Ritchie
Nelson
Bednarik

The real problem is that Horvat is not a 1C on a Cup-contending team - absent over the top talent on the wings, D and G (and even that's a stretch).

 

[SRBisles]

The real problem is that Horvat is not a 1C on a Cup-contending team - absent over the top talent on the wings, D and G (and even that's a stretch).

Not saying I disagree, but if that is the case, then it’s probably best to tear it down and start over.

 

[leeroggy]

We keep talking about elite talents . . . here's the list of #1 overall picks:

No. 1 Overall Picks | NHL Records (61 years worth)​

Howe many have actually LED a team to a Cup?

Potvin
Lafleur
Lemieux
Modano
Lecavalier
Fleury
Ovechkin
Crosby
Kane
Stamkos
Ekblad (led? 1G/5A in 24 playoff games)
MacKinnon

11/12 out of 61? Did I miss any? I'm talking LED, not a 34-year old along for the ride.

Everyone talks like this is simple, get an overall #1 and it's going to happen.

 

[PK Cronin]

Not saying I disagree, but if that is the case, then it’s probably best to tear it down and start over.

You can hold onto these players, not be a complete trash heap, and then deal them at appropriate times to get maximum value. I don't like the fire sale approach personally.

 

[PK Cronin]

We keep talking about elite talents . . . here's the list of #1 overall picks:

No. 1 Overall Picks | NHL Records (61 years worth)​

Howe many have actually LED a team to a Cup?

Potvin
Lafleur
Lemieux
Modano
Lecavalier
Fleury
Ovechkin
Crosby
Kane
Stamkos
Ekblad (led? 1G/5A in 24 playoff games)
MacKinnon

11/12 out of 61? Did I miss any? I'm talking LED, not a 34-year old along for the ride.

Everyone talks like this is simple, get an overall #1 and it's going to happen.

Drafting well is definitely more important than where you draft.

 

[gordie43]

Drafting well is definitely more important than where you draft.

100%

Stamkos and Hedman are great but when you can add Kucherov and Point later in the draft you’ve got yourself something

 

[doublechili]

Not saying I disagree, but if that is the case, then it’s probably best to tear it down and start over.

Well, for one thing you may be able to win a Cup with three 2Cs. Or you can somehow get a legit 1C. Step one is to get a great GM, maybe they can find a workaround.

 

[doublechili]

Drafting well is definitely more important than where you draft.

Yeah, there are generally players taken in the latter half of the 1st round or even the 2nd or later that end up as good as a top 5 pick. The trick is to find them.

I mean, it can't be "The Plan", but it's important to have great scouting and a volume of picks to increase the odds that you get one of the diamonds in the rough.

 

[WangMustGo]

We keep talking about elite talents . . . here's the list of #1 overall picks:

No. 1 Overall Picks | NHL Records (61 years worth)​

Howe many have actually LED a team to a Cup?

Potvin
Lafleur
Lemieux
Modano
Lecavalier
Fleury
Ovechkin
Crosby
Kane
Stamkos
Ekblad (led? 1G/5A in 24 playoff games)
MacKinnon

11/12 out of 61? Did I miss any? I'm talking LED, not a 34-year old along for the ride.

Everyone talks like this is simple, get an overall #1 and it's going to happen.

the last time a team won the cup without a top 5 draft pick leading the way was all the way back in 2008 when the redwings did it. You don’t need to get the 1st overall pick, but you do need to find elite talent and the best way to do that is through the draft.

By far the most important thing the next gm needs to do is bring in a great scouting department and to properly develop the kids. Without those 2 things it doesn’t matter what we do we will not win a cup than

 

[YearlyLottery]

We keep talking about elite talents . . . here's the list of #1 overall picks:

No. 1 Overall Picks | NHL Records (61 years worth)​

Howe many have actually LED a team to a Cup?

Potvin
Lafleur
Lemieux
Modano
Lecavalier
Fleury
Ovechkin
Crosby
Kane
Stamkos
Ekblad (led? 1G/5A in 24 playoff games)
MacKinnon

11/12 out of 61? Did I miss any? I'm talking LED, not a 34-year old along for the ride.

Everyone talks like this is simple, get an overall #1 and it's going to happen.

I think getting a #1 pick is overblown. The Islanders certainly need elite talent. I think the retool vs rebuild argument is getting silly at this point.

For example, @periferal and I went back and forth on this countless times about what both of these means where we disagreed. Yet when we break down our dream offseasons they are VERY similar.

 

[seabass45]

Everyone talks like this is simple, get an overall #1 and it's going to happen.

Nobody’s doing that. It takes effort to build around that and you can easily screw it all up if you don’t manage the rest of it well but getting a cornerstone player is a good start.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Incredibly possible.

Likely probable.

Gotta think that Palmieri is one of those players whose game is something plenty of people in the business aren't terribly fond or convinced of.

Chances are very high that Lou's readiness to hold onto him was for his own personal perception of what Palms is and brings, and how much he believed he can coddle him into staying.

All that isn't there anymore with whoever is coming in, although they too will do some due diligence in determining what retaining him for the time being would mean to those they are planning with.

Statistically, there's little argument for holding onto Palmieri without Nelson here as he was the only pivot he really managed to produce with. And the 23-24 season was the only one in which he produced in the manner he was acquired for.

There's also little motivation for Palmeiri to want to contribute to a rebuild. Let's not act like Palms doesn't have choices. Heck, I'm a fan and don't feel like watching another rebuild, can't imagine a player Palm's age does

 

[Throttle]

There's also little motivation for Palmeiri to want to contribute to a rebuild. Let's not act like Palms doesn't have choices. Heck, I'm a fan and don't feel like watching another rebuild, can't imagine a player Palm's age does

It all depends on the team strategy. If you are going to reposition/retool, then on appropriate deal he can stay.

If you are ripping it down, then it’s his decision. The team still needs to put players out there. SJ has done a much better job of protecting their youth with vets than Chicago, which went scorched plan but really no support for their youth and it’s starting to show that’s the wrong approach.

 

[miscs75]

I think getting a #1 pick is overblown. The Islanders certainly need elite talent. I think the retool vs rebuild argument is getting silly at this point.

For example, @periferal and I went back and forth on this countless times about what both of these means where we disagreed. Yet when we break down our dream offseasons they are VERY similar.

Honesty, let this team move up to the 2 spot and draft Hagens even if he’s dropped a couple spots. Then in the middle rounds, get Donny Bracco. Get the local kids and get some excitement moving forward for the youth. Might as well swing for the fences and let them develop.

 

[ekill08x]

Honesty, let this team move up to the 2 spot and draft Hagens even if he’s dropped a couple spots. Then in the middle rounds, get Donny Bracco. Get the local kids and get some excitement moving forward for the youth. Might as well swing for the fences and let them develop.

why would we draft hagens when there are better prospects? idc if hes from the next town over its about getting the best talent. he isn't that.

 

[seafoam]

Just randomly remembered obscure Islander David Ullstrom.

That is all.

 

[mm11]

Not gonna enjoy a rebuild. I'm to old.

 

[SRBisles]

Just randomly remembered obscure Islander David Ullstrom.

That is all.

Just in case you’re not familiar, I highly recommend Weird Islanders: The Podcast for this sort of thing. It’s great.

 

[miscs75]

why would we draft hagens when there are better prospects? idc if hes from the next town over its about getting the best talent. he isn't that.

Where do you rank him? If this team has the #2, they basically have between 4 guys to choose from. It’s between Frondell, Hagens, Martone and Misa, assuming Schaefer is the consensus #1. They could easily trade down from 2 to 3 or 4 and take Hagens. Ideally Hagens to this team makes sense based on the optics of it. Outside of the 1, the other 4 are all a toss up and similar in terms of rankings.

 

[miscs75]

Just randomly remembered obscure Islander David Ullstrom.

That is all.

I wonder how Jason Clark is doing these days.

 

[leeroggy]

I wonder how Jason Clark is doing these days.

As they would say in the first year of SNL, Brian, 'Spinner' Spencer is still dead . . .

 

[LeapOnOver]

It all depends on the team strategy. If you are going to reposition/retool, then on appropriate deal he can stay.

If you are ripping it down, then it’s his decision. The team still needs to put players out there. SJ has done a much better job of protecting their youth with vets than Chicago, which went scorched plan but really no support for their youth and it’s starting to show that’s the wrong approach.

My point was more that Palms has to be willing as well. Doesn't matter what the Isles want to do if Palmeiri doesn't want to stay anymore. Don't think anybody is going to shed a tear over that other than another missed chance by LL for draft capital.